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1,600 personnel die every year without India going to war

1,600 personnel die every year without India going to war

Rajat Pandit| TNN | Dec 3, 2017, 01:57 IST


HIGHLIGHTS
  • India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year without going to war.
  • The single biggest killers are said to be road accidents and suicides.
  • The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014.
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NEW DELHI: Without going to war, India loses around 1,600 military personnel every year. And the single biggest killers are road accidents and suicides, much more than counter-insurgency operations or firing duels with Pakistan along the line of control in Jammu and Kashmir.

Latest figures collated by TOI show that road accidents claim the lives of over 350 soldiers, sailors and airmen every year, while another 120 personnel take the extreme step of committing suicide. Other big causes are training accidents and various health reasons, which itself is a big worry for the forces that are supposed to be fighting fit.

India does have the dubious distinction of recording the highest number of road deaths in the world, as also one of the highest suicide rates, but the same being reflected in the highly-disciplined and trained environs of the armed forces is alarming for many.


The Army, Navy and Indian Air Force (IAF) have lost over 6,500 personnel just since 2014. The highest toll, of course, is found in the 11.73-lakh strong Army, which dwarfs the IAF and Navy in terms of sheer manpower.

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"Physical casualties" are more than 12 times the number of "battle casualties" in the Army. If the force recorded 112 fatal battle casualties in border skirmishes, shelling, counter-insurgency operations and operational accidents in "notified areas" in 2016, it lost over 1,480 soldiers due to physical casualties.

This year, the battle casualties in Army have just about crossed 80 till now, while the physical casualties have already touched 1,060.

Sources say Army chief General Bipin Rawat last month expressed concern about his force losing "nearly two battalions (each battalion has 700-800 soldiers) worth of personnel every year" due to physical casualties. "He has stressed the urgent need to address this issue... new measures are being put in place, while the older ones are being fine-tuned," said an officer.

Road accidents remain a big worry. A series of directives have been issued for proper training of drivers, regular monitoring and medical fitness tests, and strict punishing of errant or negligent behaviour.

"Night driving, if not operationally required, is also being discouraged. But the Army is also huge in terms of manpower, with massive vehicular movement in difficult terrains around the country every day," said a senior officer.

Stress-related deaths like suicides and fratricide (to kill a fellow soldier or superior) also take a huge toll. Over 330 soldiers, including nine officers and 19 junior commissioned officers, have committed suicide since 2014. There have also been a dozen cases of fratricide in the time frame.

Suicide cases in the armed forces have showed no signs of reducing despite all the so-called measures being undertaken to reduce stress among soldiers, airmen and sailors deployed in far-flung areas away from their families, as earlier reported by TOI.


Soldiers undergo mental stress for not being able to take care of the problems being faced by their families back home, which could range from property disputes and harassment by anti-social elements to financial and marital problems.


Prolonged deployment in counter-insurgency operations in J&K and north-east also takes a toll on the physical and mental endurance of soldiers. All this is also compounded by relatively poor salaries, denial of leave, lack of basic amenities and ineffectual leadership.


Measures being implemented to stem this trend range from provision of mental counselling and improvement in living and working conditions to provision of additional family accommodation, a liberalised leave policy and strengthening of grievance redressal mechanisms.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-india-going-to-war/articleshow/61898366.cms
to better understand the situation, its better to study that which segment of population joins forces, and why dont others do the same. Similarly why such stress and carelessness among forces.
 
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Lol How can any one Stop death by road accidents natural causes or floods LOL What TRP morgering hadline by author

to better understand the situation, its better to study that which segment of population joins forces, and why dont others do the same. Similarly why such stress and carelessness among forces.
Almost every segments of the popoulation joins forces Last year Applications reched over 5 crores for 10 thousand military posts all over india
 
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Kargil ghosts still stalk India's military
SUJAN DUTTA
16 YEARS ON, QUESTIONS ON ARMY-AIR FORCE


Air Marshal Birender Singh “Tony” Dhanoa walks to his desk in his fifth floor corner office in New Delhi’s Vayusena Bhavan – headquarters of the Indian Air Force – and withdraws from the drawer an outsized register: his “pilot’s flying log-book”

He turns the pages, neatly divided into columns and squares, filled with his own handwriting, points to one entry and says: “Yes, here it is. The first mission was on May 26.”

Sixteen years ago, in 1999, Dhanoa was the commanding officer of the 17 “Golden Arrows” Squadron of MiG 21 fighter aircraft that was among those that flew the largest number of sorties over the Kargil heights, taking pictures of enemy positions and dropping bombs on designated targets “even though we started off flying nearly blind,” he tells The Telegraph.

On May 26 that year, Dhanoa and then Flight Lieutenant R.S. Dhaliwal conducted the first recce over the main targets at Tiger Hill and Tololing. (Dhaliwal died later in an accident with the Suryakirans, the air force aerobatics team).

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A day later, on May 27, Dhanoa’s flight commander, Squadron Leader Ajay Ahuja’s aircraft was shot down by a Stinger missile while it was trying to trace Flight Lieutenant K. Nachiketa (of the No. 9 squadron) whose MiG 27 had been shot down earlier. Ahuja radioed the emergency and ejected. Two days later, his body was handed over with gunshot injuries to his neck and head. The IAF believes he was killed despite having survived the ejection.

Tomorrow, when an NDA government marks Kargil Vijay Divas (Victory Day) – the NDA’s Atal Bihari Vajpayee was the Prime Minister in 1999 – Ahuja’s killing, and the disclosure by his commanding officer that the plane was not equipped correctly, revives the ghosts that still stalk India’s military preparedness. There are also questions on whether inter-service coordination is better now. As Dhanoa has confirmed, the army and the air force took a long time getting on the same page in Kargil.

“Ahuja might have survived,” says Dhanoa, “if his aircraft had CMDS (counter-measures dispensing system) that the DRDO and a public sector company was supposed to supply to us. The Stinger (surface-to-air) missile hit the fairing of his aircraft .”

The fairing on a plane is designed to make it more aerodynamic. The CMDS is deployed by an aircraft to ward off incoming heat-seeking missiles such as the Stinger.

Although celebrated by the government as a “victory”, the 50-day Kargil war is still a topic of much debate and questions surrounding its causes and results are still unanswered. Army court martials and civilian courts too are yet to dispose of cases – including that of the sacked commander of the Kargil Brigade – going back to the operations in the front.

There is general consensus that militants and regulars of the Pakistani army occupied heights from 9,000ft to 14,000ft along the Kargil front that used to be manned by Indian troops. The occupiers directed Pakistani artillery fire into India’s National Highway 1A that runs from Srinagar to Leh. The Indian Army’s “Operation Vijay” and the IAF’s “Operation Safed Sagar” was directed towards ejecting the occupiers from these positions. The objective was largely achieved with the diplomatic intervention of then US President Bill Clinton who summoned Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. A total of 527 Indian troopers were killed in trying to fight their way uphill against gunfire from the top.

As the commanding officer of the Golden Arrows, Dhanoa had a ringside and inside-the-fire view of the war. Since then, rising to his current office as the vice-chief of air staff, he has both the advantage of hindsight and the wherewithal to go through records.

“We practically started operational flying without any R & O (reconnaissance and observation). The army could not tell us where the enemy is or who the enemy was,” he recalls.

His squadron, from the Kili Bhisiana base in Bhatinda, was deployed to Srinagar on May 21, 1999. “I remember going to Matayen (a large army base) and to the base of Tiger Hill (a high feature that came to symbolise the main target for the Indian forces and after whose recapture the war all but concluded). I met this soldier from 8 Sikh (Light Infantry) who said ‘we’ve been sitting on Tiger Hill but we can’t see them and we can’t tell you anything’. When I talked to an officer flying a helo (chopper), he told me ‘we don’t know where to take you because we don’t know where they (the enemy) are'”.

This correspondent was at the base of Tiger Hill to report its recapture after an interview with the 18 Grenadiers commanding officer, Col Kushal Thakur, who was at Tiger Top. The interview was conducted over the army’s wireless system.# The 8 Sikh LI that Dhanoa encountered played a stellar role itself. It held on to a spur of Tiger Hill for 23 days against enemy fire till the 18 Grenadiers finally took Tiger Top.

Dhanoa and his officers were at Mushkoh Valley, at the base of Tiger Hill, to be taken for a recce flight in an army helicopter. But they were told that that would not be possible. The Golden Arrows squadron itself specialised in photo-recce flights apart from bombing targets on the ground.

In the days that followed, it was after flights by the Golden Arrows confirmed the presence of snow-huts and Pakistani regulars in the heights that the Indian government concluded that the Pakistan army was itself at work, a development later confirmed by the then chief (and later President) Pervez Musharraf.

But till then, the Golden Arrows were practically “flying blind”. On May 21, when Dhanoa and his boys landed in Srinagar, they found tarpaulin being draped over a plane inside a hangar. It was a Canberra surveillance plane. (The aircraft have since been phased out). The Canberra was shot from the ground earlier that morning but survived the return.

“I instructed the boys that in an emergency, such as the engine getting hit, they should attempt to glide back to the centre of the (Indus River) valley on the Indian side and then eject. Ahuja probably erred in turning right instead of turning left,” Dhanoa recalls. That is why he fell in Pakistan-held territory.

The killing of Ahuja spurred on the squadron with “Tony” and “Dhali” leading missions. On June 3, according to Tony’s logbook, they dropped two 250kg bombs on Tiger Hill. On July 8, Dhanoa flew with then Air Chief Marshal A.Y. Tipnis (now retired) on a “Battle Damage Assessment” (BDA) mission accompanying other aircraft that dropped bombs. He did not fire himself. ” Chief ke saath udke thodi na bomb karenge,” he explains. (You don’t fire when you are flying with the chief). They flew in a two-seater trainer MiG 21. (The MiG 21 otherwise takes just one pilot in the cockpit).

Dhanoa says the political directive to not cross the LoC did restrain the air force in its operations.

“If you have to attack a tree, you must go after the stem, if you can’t go for the root,” he explains. “We were told to go after the branches, that too only from one side.”

The vice-chief said that the absence of the light combat aircraft (since christened the Tejas) told heavily on the Indian Air Force’s capabilities. “The LCA was supposed to come in by 1993,” he pointed out.

The LCA is not yet declared fully operational. Sixteen years since the last war, the wait, and the lag, waxes tardy.
 
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to better understand the situation, its better to study that which segment of population joins forces, and why dont others do the same. Similarly why such stress and carelessness among forces.
It's also worth noting that the loss of 1600 soldiers every year breaks down to an average of 135 every month....when was the last time the Indian Army or MOD disclosed such causality figures.

What do you mean fanboys comparing to the U.S.? It is a fact that military in the U.S has similar traits. This is NOT something to joke about. How low can you go?

If anything you are the fanboy. Tells us what happens within your military? Can you- nope you can't because they hide it! AND you are actually proud of it. You hide the deaths of of own soldiers because of a wrong notion 'of not letting anyone know means it did not happen and all is great'.

How depraved do you have to be to make fun of soldiers dying?

How about the rest of us make fun how more of your civilians get killed by your own homegrown terrorists?
Hardly you can compare with the US Army which at one time or another has been involved in one major conflict or another for the last several decades and since you have arrived on your moral Mule, are you so dense to understand that i merely copy pasted from an Indian source and your country fellows find solace like you by dragging in Pakistan.... and before blabbering accusations, no one is making fun of anything, else there's plenty of material out there to rub it into many a faces here.
Do you think no bodies of Indian soldiers were handed over by their Pakistani counterparts but only the Indians can go so low of capturing it on videos and then chest thumping over it....first acquire some principals before dishing them out.
 
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It's also worth noting that the loss of 1600 soldiers every year breaks down to an average of 135 every month....when was the last time the Indian Army or MOD disclosed such causality figures.


Hardly you can compare with the US Army which at one time or another has been involved in one major conflict or another for the last several decades and since you have arrived on your moral Mule, are you so dense to understand that i merely copy pasted from an Indian source and your country fellows find solace like you by dragging in Pakistan.... and before blabbering accusations, no one is making fun of anything, else there's plenty of material out there to rub it into many a faces here.
Do you think no bodies of Indian soldiers were handed over by their Pakistani counterparts but only the Indians can go so low of capturing it on videos and then chest thumping over it....first acquire some principals before dishing them out.
Only 7% were Battle casualties. MoD is supposed to notify only battle casualties since family members of battle casualties will get over Rs. 75 lakh from exchequer.

Battle casualties include deaths in border/loc skirmishes, counter-insurgency ops/terrorism as well as casualties in aid to civil power, accidental injuries and deaths in operational areas, accidental deaths in floods, avalanches, land slides and cyclones, casualties due to natural illnesses near international border and LoC, casualties during battle inoculation and training, casualties while performing relief operations in natural calamities such as floods and earthquakes, unintentional deaths by own troops, vehicle accidents / electrocution / snake bites / drowning in CI Ops or in forward / active areas.

It's not army job to inform about some random soldier dying in an accident.
 
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Soooo by this rate Pak army can handle Indian army after 1000 years !!!!! Man I ain't gonna live that long :rofl:
 
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when our soldiers are martyered due to accidentally it's fully announced just two days back 4 soldiers were martyred in Karachi in road accident. Your Army has way higher number than any other Army
 
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when our soldiers are martyered due to accidentally it's fully announced just two days back 4 soldiers were martyred in Karachi in road accident. Your Army has way higher number than any other Army
Yes. Our army has higher numbers. Geography and size matters. Also the road infrastructure and terrain mattters.
 
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That was a piss-poor justification.

But that's the only one they have.

Hey 1600 of my disposable soldiers are dying every year but at least in my puny mind I am better than Pakistan. So yaaay. Lets party. Nachooo.
 
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side effect of being populous country...every figure looks large...
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given the sheer number of recorded road fatalities, the 1600 figure is not even 1% of road accident deaths. if you add other causes, the % figure will come down drastically...proving your chances of living longer are higher as service personal then being common man in the given population.
 
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when our soldiers are martyered due to accidentally it's fully announced just two days back 4 soldiers were martyred in Karachi in road accident. Your Army has way higher number than any other Army
correction nowshehra feroze not Karachi.
https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1374110

when our soldiers are martyered due to accidentally it's fully announced just two days back 4 soldiers were martyred in Karachi in road accident. Your Army has way higher number than any other Army
plz don't remind the op parakaram.
 
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STORM IN A TEA CUP.,,,,

1,4 MILLION people in military

1600 is a tint % of accidents even though they are unfortunate

India has a enormous military infrastructure

tens of thousands of trucks & jeeps

thousands of tanks artillay

hundreds of helicpters

OF COURSE accidentsb happen

stupid ridiculous thead
 
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