Why Kashmiris didn't want to join Pakistan?

[Kabira]

Contrary to popular myth in Pakistan, from all historical sources we get to know that Kashmiris in reality were not in favor of joining Pakistan. This isn't uniquely Kashmiri thing because many others in Pakistan used to think along same lines.

But why muslim leaders at that time couldn't get their message across? Jinnah used to go to every corner of Pakistan to convince muslim leaders and politicians but did he meet Kashmiris from valley? Maybe Kashmir being separate muslim majority state governed by Hindu played some role.

 

[Cherokee]

Pakistan could have had Kashmir if they were fast enough but alas they were not .

Now not even in next 10000 year Pakistan will get Kashmir .

 

[Mufflerman]

Pakistan could have had Kashmir if they were fast enough but alas they were not .

Now not even in next 10000 year Pakistan will get Kashmir .

Have some shame. Online bravado counts for zilch. Pakistan already holds a third of JnK

 

[Kabira]

Pakistan could have had Kashmir if they were fast enough but alas they were not .

Now not even in next 10000 year Pakistan will get Kashmir .

You have piece of land where all year long there is insurgency. If Pakistan doesn't get IoK then you will not see peace either.

 

[Cherokee]

Have some shame. Online bravado counts for zilch. Pakistan already holds a third of JnK

And that is why India has rest . Either Pakistan should have won it completely by force or left it to dialogue . They did not and they Lost .

You have piece of land where all year long there is insurgency. If Pakistan doesn't get IoK then you will not see peace either.

We will . We have no doubt about it .

 

[Kabira]

I think you didn't read OP. Kashmiris for some reason didn't rise up against Hindu raj unlike people in AJK/Gilgit. Jinnah didn't send army instead decided to send Tribals in to valley who obviously couldn't fight modern Indian army.

But apart from that tribals were blamed for looting etc And Kashmiris sided with Indians. What were Kashmiri leaders thinking back then? Did Jinnah or someone else tried to held talks with them before 1947?

 

[third eye]

Contrary to popular myth in Pakistan, from all historical sources we get to know that Kashmiris in reality were not in favor of joining Pakistan. This isn't uniquely Kashmiri thing because many others in Pakistan used to think along same lines.

No they dont want to join Pakistan.
In fact the experiences the locals have of Pak Occupied J&K thanks to the crossing places has further cemented their desire to stay away.

Jinnah used to go to every corner of Pakistan to convince muslim leaders and politicians but did he meet Kashmiris from valley? Maybe Kashmir being separate muslim majority state governed by Hindu played some role.

Things from June to Aug 47 were very rushed . Its possible that attention was not given to states like Hyderabad, Kashmir & Junagadh assuming they would opt for Pak or choose to stay independent ( Hyd & Kashmir).

This was not to be. Meanwhile attention remained focused on how the Radcilffe line would move.

 

[ito]

UN resolution say Kashmir can be either join India or Pakistan. There is no third option.

 

[Kabira]

No they dont want to join Pakistan.
In fact the experiences the locals have of Pak Occupied J&K thanks to the crossing places has further cemented their desire to stay away.

I'm talking about Kashmiris of 1940's, current generation don't want to live with India and would rather be with Pakistan if given option. What I asked was if any muslim leader actually went to Kashmir valley to meet their leaders? Jinnah went to every corner of Pakistan but he missed out Kashmir. Huge mistake

Kashmiris didn't receive Pak support with open arms in 1948 war. That was ideal time to rise and not believe Nehru lies of referendum.

And what do you mean by experiences the locals the Kashmir jammu the crossing? be clear, couldn't understand

UN resolution say Kashmir can be either join India or Pakistan. There is no third option.

Maybe Kashmiri leaders didn't want to pick up arms and waited for referendum as was promised.

 

[kasper95]

You have piece of land where all year long there is insurgency. If Pakistan doesn't get IoK then you will not see peace either.

For the same piece of land Pakistan has so much ,half of a country lakhs dead and I don't see peaceful Pakistan either .we just have to see 4-5 districts having terrorist but is it the case with Pakistan.if you think you can pay the price and survive then India will do it even better just because of its size.

 

[fitpOsitive]

You have piece of land where all year long there is insurgency. If Pakistan doesn't get IoK then you will not see peace either.

This is our bad policy. Only kashmiris are suffering. This is infact a very bad strategy.

 

[Arsalan]

Contrary to popular myth in Pakistan, from all historical sources we get to know that Kashmiris in reality were not in favor of joining Pakistan. This isn't uniquely Kashmiri thing because many others in Pakistan used to think along same lines.

But why muslim leaders at that time couldn't get their message across? Jinnah used to go to every corner of Pakistan to convince muslim leaders and politicians but did he meet Kashmiris from valley? Maybe Kashmir being separate muslim majority state governed by Hindu played some role.

Hein,,
you gave up on that wild life conservation?

Ab gov ko kon bachai ga phr!!


BTW, what makes you say that Kashmiries do not want to join Pakistan?

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

There were alot of states and those were under hindu maharaja who doesn't wanna join india after partition what a crap we talking about. It seems like India just wanna live and celebrate its past .. I suggest to live in real world and presently there are alot of people and states if they get chance they crush indian union.

 

[Kambojaric]

Contrary to popular myth in Pakistan, from all historical sources we get to know that Kashmiris in reality were not in favor of joining Pakistan. This isn't uniquely Kashmiri thing because many others in Pakistan used to think along same lines.

But why muslim leaders at that time couldn't get their message across? Jinnah used to go to every corner of Pakistan to convince muslim leaders and politicians but did he meet Kashmiris from valley? Maybe Kashmir being separate muslim majority state governed by Hindu played some role.

To the best of my knowledge, the Valley was politically under the influence of Sheikh Abdullah, who believed that his secular leanings would convince Nehru and the Indians to at the very least grant complete autonomy to a semi-independent Kashmir within the Indian Republic, and even better grant outright independence whilst protecting a hypothetical independent Kashmir. Of course he was completely played over by Nehru who post 47 gradually started strengthening Indian rule over the valley culminating in the Sheikh's arrest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Conspiracy_Case). His views on Pakistan had softened as the decades went on after independence but as we all know, by this time the Indian state and army had already established a firm grip over the Valley.
It is hard to ascertain how the people of the Valley felt about Pakistan in 1947 and how they would have voted in a plebiscite. That will always go down in history as a "what if" event, with nobody able to give a clear answer. It is noteworthy though that unlike the other parts of the erstwhile Princely State of Jammu and Kashmir, such as GB or what is today Azad Kashmir, that did rise up against the Maharajahs rule militarily ended up becoming part of Pakistan. The Valley however as said was politically under the influence of the Sheikh, and the Sheikh believed in a political resolution culminating in the independence or complete autonomy of his domain from both India and Pakistan.

 

[Eagle_storm]

We will get kashmir as
Cheeryngy be aur kashmir bi lynge.