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Interview with a former SSG Colonel.

Col (R) Abid: I have been part of covert activities in Kashmir and also held several reconnaissance missions when we were disguised as Kashmiri Mujahideen and during those days on several occasions, we used to take part in riots & public protests with our Mujahideen forces against Indian Army. It is a known fact that one day Insha’Allah we will liberate Kashmir & Kashmiri’s from Indian resistance.
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Please bookmark this for future reference. An admission that regular Pak military has gone into Kashmir to instigate civil discourse, agitate the state and abet terrorists. Throw it back at them the next time they even think about using the term "indigenous struggle".
 
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Please bookmark this for future reference. An admission that regular Pak military has gone into Kashmir to instigate civil discourse, agitate the state and abet terrorists. Throw it back at them the next time they even think about using the term "indigenous struggle".
Just like you claim Doval lived for 7 years in Pakistan and God knows what terrible things he might have done in these 7 years and now he is indian NSA with mass murderer modi what a criminal combination.
 
I know .. thousands of Pakistanis in those rallies in Sri nagar, they all manage to take part in those rallies in thousands and then come back and go back again with their flags. goes to show how how inadequate a million plus Indian military is. you should send more troops there this way the army can outnumber the entire Kashmiri population then you can win the war of flags.
"thousands"? When is the last time "thousands" raised the Pakistani flag in Kashmir? It is the same handful f troublemakers again and again- dozens maybe but not hundreds.
 
and they both visited Pakistan just recently and all your leaders lined up to shake their hands :enjoy:
You invited musharaf after 2 years after he kicked your *** in kargil:sniper:
 
You invited musharaf after 2 years after he kicked your *** in kargil:sniper:

*** kicking? Last time I checked Kargil is in Indian hands.

When did we call Musharraf a mass murderer like you are doing for Modi? He has led to deaths of magnitudes more Pakistanis than Indians....we have always welcomed that development!

He was a commander who lost that Kargil conflict because political higher ups could not withstand the pressure from the Pakistani forces who were getting LGB'ed and Artied every day + international pressure on Pakistan the peace-upsetting transgressor.

Plus we needed to give Musharaff a handkerchief and some tissues for 1971 :D.

We shaked his hand as him being a power grabbing crybaby....not as a confident, unrelenting "mass murderer" (these are the two respective perceptions). There is a big difference :P.
 
Its not a bad ploy used by a country.. Certainly not the first time used... nor it will be the last time...
Effectiveness of such measures can be gauged by what they are aiming for.. The K Flash point and local people up and against the GOI is a good story for 90s when Pakistan had considerable pull on international arena with them being a much closer ally of USA.

Certain policies, adventures, strategies and chaining of millennium saw geo politically some major changes with onset of one theme "terrorism" becoming far more important. The war on terror and Pakistan participating actually gave them a beautiful chance to use the policies of first para and highlight the issue even more.

Unfortunately, some elements which they could not control had ruined the whole game plan.. The losses were not only external in nature in front of International community but internal too. The efforts to use K flashpoint and make either GOI talk or divert attention for GOP to GOI was a good thought out ploy. But such strategies work only when Geo polictically people back you up which in this case it is not.

The more K flash point is trig erred via external "hired" people, the more it will become difficult if GOP is really serious about the so called "self determination" stuff.

Anyways now with both PMs engagement, i hope eternal peace plan can be chalked out and such tactics are not used again..
 
I know .. thousands of Pakistanis in those rallies in Sri nagar, they all manage to take part in those rallies in thousands and then come back and go back again with their flags. goes to show how how inadequate a million plus Indian military is. you should send more troops there this way the army can outnumber the entire Kashmiri population then you can win the war of flags.

The number is not in thousands. If you have noticed, many of those Pakistani flag waivers have also waived the flags of ISIS. Often, you can see the Pakistani flag and ISIS flag waived side by side. I referenced to the ISIS flags above because Pakistanis keep talking about "ground realities" in kashmir.

There is no "million plus" military in kashmir. That number was published in media circles quite long back and has been doing rounds ever since.The number of troops deployed in the region can increase or decrease very rapidly-by a number more than 50,000 at-least-in just a week. The troops are rotated on a regular basis, and all are not deployed on active duty. And the exact number of troops deployed in what regions never make it to the public media. The focus has shifted to different boundaries. Of course, I don't need to detail this. But just as is the fact that the claim of 80,000 kashmiris "disappeared" is something that some circles have managed to pull from their behind, so is the fact that Indian army has some million plus army in kashmir.

Quite often, indian defense ministers from years have been openly stating that there are 'X' number of training camps and 'XXX' number of militants trying to cross the border. Ever wondered how they say this figure with so much certainty and accurate to single digits? They have also stated that the fighting tactics of these militants has undergone a remarkable change and they are not just some rag-tag fighters, but highly trained to carry out insurgency and attack army camps across the border. How are they able get such a sophisticated level of training? I mean, they cross border, and few weeks later, they return as experts in Insurgency operations?

This is year 2015, come 2030 or 2035, we will see some "XYZ" retired officer talking about training militants in 2015, may be even Mumbai attacks as well....
 
SSG should train the Kashmir lads who are fighting on their own right now.
Like we should train Baloch and now Sindhi lads, first one is fighting on their own and second is going to start soon.
And don't bring up north east now in reply or Khalistan, you had your chance.
Proxies have a high price and Pakistan is not the only one who knows how to play.

and they both visited Pakistan just recently and all your leaders lined up to shake their hands :enjoy:
:lol:
 
An admission that regular Pak military has gone into Kashmir to instigate civil discourse, agitate the state and abet terrorists
Same was done by IA in former East Pakistan. Many admissions of IA and RAW operatives are on the record...Just go through the books written by them.
 
Interview with a former SSG Colonel.

Faisal Aijaz: How was your relationship with General (R) Musharraf ? And what is your opinion about him ?


Col (R) Abid: He was a great friend and a fearless soldier and also my course mate. At first when I went to Infantry Div, Gen (R) Musharraf was moved to Artillery Reg. I remember just few days before the 1965 war, I was having dinner with General (R) Musharraf and he quietly said ‘Since we two really don’t care about death, so why don’t we opt for Special Services Group (SS)? To which then I replied ‘We’ll fight together, We’ll live together and We’ll die together.’

Faisal Aijaz: Did you ever get a chance to train with U.S Special Forces ?

Col (R) Abid: Yes indeed. In 1970 and then in 1979. I used to train with United States Army Special Forces known as Green Berets or Snake Eaters. The best part about it was that the American Special Forces always used to acknowledge that Pakistan SSG is indeed best in the world although our American counterparts were equipped with advanced military tech and we were not even close to them. We used to perform various military drills such as advanced weapons familiarization, mountain-warfare and airborne.

Faisal Aijaz: Was SSG really a part of the operation that led to the liberation of Mecca in 1979 ?

Col (R) Abid: Yes. I recently returned from United States at that time when the Siege of Mecca took place in 1979. Saudi authorities contacted us and It was then Brigadier Tariq Mehmood who led the whole operation along with his team and French Special Forces GIGN were given the task of protecting the out skirts of Mecca.

Faisal Aijaz: What do you have to say about Pakistan’s premier Intelligence ISI ?

Col (R) Abid: I’m just going to give you provide you with a thin sheet of shadow regarding ISI. When I went to United States to train with U.S Army Special Forces, they always used to acknowledge and say that ISI is the most feared intelligence agency in the world. Elements within Israel & India tried to stop our Nuclear Project but the ISI took care of everything and by the grace of Allah, Armed Forces and ISI, we are now a nuclear power. During the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, West Germany’s Intelligence Agency BND came to Pakistan and handed over a piece of brick taken from the Berlin Wall to Lt. General Hamid Gul and the inscription said ‘With deepest respect to Lt. General Hamid Gul for giving the first blow to Soviet Union.’

Faisal Aijaz: What was the greatest achievement of ISI at that time?

Col (R) Abid: ISI achieved so many things militarily during my time but the greatest to me was and will always be ‘Soviet-Afghan War’. When It was all over, the ISI was on top of the world and even the American CIA acknowledged this several times. Let me tell you something very interesting, Soviet Red Army came to Afghanistan with their almost 300 transport & attack helicopters carrying thousands of soviet airborne soldiers and spetsnaz, ammunitions and other stuff, bomber aircrafts and jets such as Su-25, Mig-21, Su-17, Mig-23. When President Amin was assassinated by the Russian GRU Spetsnaz, that was the time when our ISI moved in. CIA funded us and provided us soviet-made weapons bought from the black market which was then transported from Pakistan to Afghanistan for Afghan Mujahideen. The entire process was under the control of General Akhtar Abdur Rehman who was the DG ISI at that time. We were even provided with United Kingdom’s Blowpipe MANPADS which came out to be a total failure when we gave it to Afghan Mujahideen because It was ineffective and then only United States decided to gave us their US made Stinger missiles which came out to be a huge success when Afghan Mujahideen gunned down several Soviet Hind assault helicopters and aircrafts. Only a handful of ISI officers went to Afghanistan for the training and assistance of Mujahideen and It was our ISI who single handedly mastered the proxy war in Afghanistan which resulted in a huge blow for the Soviet Union. It was indeed a nostalgic dive for us.

Was there any Special Tactics adopted by ISI ?

Yes. Soviet Union established their main bases in Bagram, Shindand, Herat, Kandahar, Jalalabad, Kabul Int Airport etc. The two most important Soviet installations in Afghanistan were at Bagram and Shindad where they even stationed their naval reconnaissance bombers and electronic warfare aircrafts. The Soviet Army was fully mechanised: they always travelled in vehicles. The Russian Spetsnaz troops including VDV put on Afghan clothes and grew beards; they looked a bit like Afghans but we always managed to ambush them. ISI contaminated the main water supply lines to these three crucial bases and in return around 40 percent of Soviet Union personnels were affected by polluted water then which then resulted in several diseases. We improvised guerrilla warfare technique for which the Soviet Union army was unprepared. Their troops were stationed mostly in remote areas far away from their actual bases which was an advantage for the Afghan Mujahideen to disrupt Soviet Union’s main supply routes for weapons. Soviet Union forces did not even had special boots for the rugged mountainous terrain because of which they suffered whereas the ISI provided special boots made for mountain warfare to Afghan Mujahideen.

What will be the outcome If we go to war against India in the nearby future?

War involving countries includes many factors. Yes the size of Indian Armed Forces gives them the edge over us but Pakistan Armed Forces by the grace of Allah have overcome major obstacles in the past. We might be less in numbers but we do know how to defend Pakistan and its borders. NATO could not defeat Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan; whereas Pakistan Armed Forces have almost defeated a large scale counter-insurgency in Waziristan. By the grace of Allah, we have got one of the finest armed forces in the world and we should be proud of it.

Credits: Faisal Aijaz:

The use of pathogens to contaminate drinking water supply would be biological warfare. i do not think the ISI would dare to do it against the Soviet Union.

What is this with the Americans saying the ISI is the best intelligence agency, the SSG is the best commando force blah blah blah ... Is there any metric for evaluating intelligence agency or commando outfit ? Going by the state of the things in Pakistan you can argue about their competence.

Same was done by IA in former East Pakistan. Many admissions of IA and RAW operatives are on the record...Just go through the books written by them.

The Indian army trained the Mukti Bahini to wage war inside East Pakistan.

Just like you claim Doval lived for 7 years in Pakistan and God knows what terrible things he might have done in these 7 years and now he is indian NSA with mass murderer modi what a criminal combination.

nobody knows for sure whether Doval lived in Pakistan
 
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Please bookmark this for future reference. An admission that regular Pak military has gone into Kashmir to instigate civil discourse, agitate the state and abet terrorists. Throw it back at them the next time they even think about using the term "indigenous struggle".
Thanks for the tag.
Somebody shot himself in the foot. Lolz
 
So? When we train Sikhs or Kashmiris, you guys go bonkers.

Indian Punjab is probably the most peaceful state in whole of South Asia ! So keep your bogus claim on Sikhs to yourself .

Bookmark it will be helpful whenever a Pakistani says about the terrorist in Kashmir .
 

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