Tejas, once combat-ready, will be able to outgun the JF-17

[Vyom]

My amazement comes from the fact that JF was produced by the Defense R&D, Integration and Military Industrial complex of Pakistan. Quite an achievement indeed.

 

[volatile]

Look At the Picture of MiG-21MF C1492 during a Republic Day Parade in the late 70s.

Is he wearing tights ?

 

[Vyom]

Who told you that? Check out the ACM and ACR interviews . Jf-17 has used PGMs in recent anti terror ops and carried an extensive amount of sorties. Not 40 but 54 jf-17 are in service with 3 squadrons. Earlier blocks1s will be upgrades to blk IIs and will be upgraded with the IFR probes , starting from next year. Forget FOC , Jf-17 can be actually called a battle proven platform.

A battle proven platform ? on Domestic territory where the Airspace is not contested and literally no Air defense system from the adversary ? Pray, if you had broom that could fly and large enough hands to carry bombs that broom woul be *battle proven according your logic .

 

[Windjammer]

A battle proven platform ? on Domestic territory where the Airspace is not contested and literally no Air defense system from the adversary ? Pray, if you had broom that could fly and large enough hands to carry bombs that broom woul be *battle proven according your logic .

On the contrary, what combat experience do your SU-30, MiG-29 or Mirage have under their belt.

 

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NEW DELHI: The indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft will be able to thrash the Pakistani JF-17 'Thunder' fighters in "reach, punch and ability to kill and survive in an engagement", top Indian defence officials asserted.

But that will be possible only when the Tejas is ready with an AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar, mid-air refuelling, long-range BVR (beyond visual range) missiles and advanced electronic warfare capabilities. Moreover, the single-engine fighter has to undergo 43 "improvements" out of the 57 "weaknesses" detected in its maintainability, which will ensure it can land and take off again within an hour, the officials said.

All this will take another three years at the very least, further prolonging the already tortuous development saga of the country's first home fighter that began way back in 1983. Even if defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics manages to ramp up its production rate to 12 jets from the existing eight per year, all the 120 Tejas planned so far for IAF will be inducted only by 2026 or so.

The development of a Tejas Mark-II, with a more powerful engine, in turn, would be possible only by 2024-2025 at the earliest, with the production to follow thereafter. Consequently, the proposed Tejas Mark-II for the IAF now stands scrapped, though it will continue for the Navy, as was earlier reported by TOI.

The plan now is to jump directly onto the development of the indigenous fifth-generation fighter aircraft, the twin-engine AMCA (advanced medium combat aircraft), from the single-engine Tejas Mark-I, as part of the overall rejig of fighter induction plans.

"DRDO-HAL will now fully focus on producing the improved Tejas as well as designing and developing the AMCA, which should start coming in by 2035 when the upgraded Mirage-2000s and MiG-29s begin retiring," said an official.

Tejas remains crucial to make up the depleting numbers in IAF, which is down to just 35 fighter squadrons and will reach its sanctioned figure of 42 squadrons only by 2027 or so. With a limited range of just over 400 km, theS Tejas will basically be used for "air defence" to take on incoming enemy fighters or "close air-to-ground" operations to support the Army.

The "strike packages" deep into enemy territory will perforce have to be undertaken by fighters like the Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKIs and the Rafales being acquired from France. "But the Tejas, after the 43 improvements, will be more than able to outgun the similar JF-17, which Pakistan is inducting with China's help," said an official.

"Tejas will help in plugging the gaps that will further arise after all the existing 10 MiG-21 and four MiG-27 squadrons are retired by 2025. It was never meant to replace a MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) like Rafale or a heavyweight Sukhoi-30MKI," he added.

Tejas, once combat-ready, will be able to outgun the Pakistan JF-17 fighters - The Times of India

Even if one was to believe these self gloryfying statements, do the Indian brains think that in a decade or so the JF-17 will be flying in it's MK-1 configuration, more so do these simple Sunils have any idea about JF-17's capabilities....they should first concentrate on making the Tejas airworthy before drawing comparisons.

the main issue is, will it be ever combat ready ?

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[Windjammer]

the main issue is, will it be ever combat ready ?

Who knows, after another decade, fan boys will claim it was just a learning curve.

 

[The Vicious Kind]

A battle proven platform ? on Domestic territory where the Airspace is not contested and literally no Air defense system from the adversary ? Pray, if you had broom that could fly and large enough hands to carry bombs that broom woul be *battle proven according your logic .

Battle proven as in deploying LGB and carrying out precision guided bombings. My answer was in context of what your delusional fellow countrymen was asking. Btw talis do have access to anti aircraft guns aswell , 14mms to be exact. Jf-17s is already inducted into CCS pakistans versions of Top gun school. I am pretty sure that this move indicates that thunders have achieved advanced operational status.

Denial is a coping mechanism that gives you time to adjust to distressing situations — but staying in denial can interfere with treatment or your ability to tackle challenges. If you're in denial, you're trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth

 

[JonAsad]

Please Don't Post Twitter Sources there No Authentic Source of your Claims


There Official Procedure that No Non-FOC Single Engine Aircraft can Fly on Republic day Parade

Look At the Picture of MiG-21MF C1492 during a Republic Day Parade in the late 70s.

flying coffins on trailers- what does that say about tejas- lol

 

[Windjammer]

Battle proven as in deploying LGB and carrying out precision guided bombings. My answer was in context of what your delusional fellow countrymen was asking. Btw talis do have access to anti aircraft guns aswell , 14mms to be exact. Jf-17s is already inducted into CCS pakistans versions of Top gun school. I am pretty sure that this move indicates that thunders have achieved advanced operational status.

All in a days work.

 

[volatile]

A battle proven platform ? on Domestic territory where the Airspace is not contested and literally no Air defense system from the adversary ? Pray, if you had broom that could fly and large enough hands to carry bombs that broom woul be *battle proven according your logic .

Thunder is already battle proven with lots bombing sorties done during operation Zarb e .Air space is not contested and you wish you guys wont be the one whom it will be tested as i have seen this year what thunder meant for PAF. I have seen pilots more crazy to fly thunder then F16.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Thunder is already battle proven with lots bombing sorties done during operation Zarb e .Air space is not contested and you wish you guys wont be the one whom it will be tested as i have seen this year what thunder meant for PAF. I have seen pilots more crazy to fly thunder then F16.

This is a white lie.. propagated by fanboys... Show me one ISPR release that says JF17 is being used in Zarbe Azab.
JF17 is still unproven.

 

[karakoram]

i guess when your enemy is talking too much about your wepons and leaving no oppostunity go waste to degrade it or make fun of it then i guess it means your wepon is realli scaring the hell owt of them

and despite there best efforts they are unable to make a credible counter wepon for it ....

man tejas is realli good cause the main objective of any wepon is to scare your enemy in making a mistake to attack you and tejas has already doing it without even getting FOC....

i wonder what will happen when teajs actualli gets AESA radar and AESA based EW suite and a few more wepons

I will quote your this reply when you bashing Pakistani weapons

 

[Vyom]

On the contrary, what combat experience do your SU-30, MiG-29 or Mirage have under their belt.

Quite an intelligent retort, windy. Well you see its unintelligent to use, Air Force on Home territory. where Indian Civilians are up in arms that's a "law and order" problem not a "military" one.

For that matter IOC and FOC are technicalities, that are required in Peace time development and induction of Fighters and/or Military Equipment. You take anything to battle if it suits the requirement of the battle.

Not even F22 has seen *hostile and *contested air defences and got its Full Operational Capability (FOC) in December 2007 a full decade after induction.

Yes SU30MKIs, Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 haven't seen battle in *any theater. But you see an F22 and a MKI aren't the same, none can be called as a Battle proven platform. but that doesn't make them equals.

 

[GURU DUTT]

I will quote your this reply when you bashing Pakistani weapons

im not like any other never make fun of enemy wepons and why should i make fun of enemy wepons or stop them when they are boasting about there capabilities like what media does

point is why tejas and its capabilities were always shown in low light was deu to IAFs love for "foriegn maal" and top IAF brass and MOD beurocrats and politicans greed for kickbacks and they were successful in 10 years of UPA but things have changed now arm dealers and there lobbiests are hunted owt of power corridoars and IAF is told sternlli to pull up there socks and to deal with there own shortcomings and have been given a deal that they cant refuse

R&D of tejas is now put in high gear and results are slowly coming wieght for couple of years and what tejas is realli capable of will be disclosed till then have a great time making fun of it .... cheers mate

 

[Vyom]

Thunder is already battle proven with lots bombing sorties done during operation Zarb e .Air space is not contested and you wish you guys wont be the one whom it will be tested as i have seen this year what thunder meant for PAF. I have seen pilots more crazy to fly thunder then F16.

Your fighters pilots may be more crazy to fly a JF thunder, agreed. And does that have any for forbearance on its "proven" battle worthiness. It may be good fighter plane for your boys to fly but That doesn't make it proven. and yes it will be tested against a formidable enemy.

Its easier to shoot a guy with a stick than a draw game of guns. Get that cowboy