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[magudi]

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I hope BJP gets smashed in Bihar. Bihar needs to progress & a party which goes back on it's promises can't be the party to save Bihar.

Add to the there is nothing great about Bihar BJP, there are no great leaders there & they are basing a HUGE part of their campaign around caste(compared to Nitish who has been campaigning & talking about development for 1 year).

For Bihar to progress, Ishrat's relatives have to win & Jumla ji must lose!!

I think half the problems will be solved if Jaitley is removed

 

[Bang Galore]

I think half the problems will be solved if Jaitley is removed

It is the other half that is the problem. Modi picked this guy as FM over someone like Arun Shourie. Also picked Smriti Irani. Speaks poorly of his judgment.

 

[Darmashkian]

I think half the problems will be solved if Jaitley is removed

Even if Jaitley is removed, BJP can't win Bihar. To win Bihar, they should have started campaigning a long time back. At the same time there are too many CM candidates in Bihar, each one will work against the other.

And the allies of the BJP aren't satisfied with their share & want more seats, a lot of squabbling will occur due to this & if it is not solved. The BJP will loss bihar.

& No jaitley is not responsible for all these U-Turns, it is the White beard who is responsible for this. AP-BJP & TG_BJP guys(who work for the party) tell in private that special status will not be given as AP is not loyal enough to BJP like Bihar or Gujarat. & BJP is weak here[The fact that they have made no proper effort to grow here is totally irrelevant].
Also 14th Finance commission claims AP doesn't need any special status, which is why it will not be given.

[Add to that the rumours I have heard that the BJP govt. at the Centre is supposedly tacitly & subtly encouraging investment in BJP ruled states over the other states states]

It is the other half that is the problem. Modi picked this guy as FM over someone like Arun Shourie. Also picked Smriti Irani. Speaks poorly of his judgment.

Yes the PM should have chosen a person like Arun shourie who actually knows what to do in Finance, not another Lawyer like PC!

Irani is more talk,controversy & drama than work(her intentions are good from what I have heard from someone who had a one-on one interaction with her, but she has no idea what to do)

She has done nothing great or innovative so far & now she is trying to erode the autonomy the IIMs,(the best Management institutes this nation has) with her new bill.

 

[magudi]

Even if Jaitley is removed, BJP can't win Bihar. To win Bihar, they should have started campaigning a long time back. At the same time there are too many CM candidates in Bihar, each one will work against the other.

And the allies of the BJP aren't satisfied with their share & want more seats, a lot of squabbling will occur due to this & if it is not solved. The BJP will loss bihar.

& No jaitley is not responsible for all these U-Turns, it is the White beard who is responsible for this. AP-BJP & TG_BJP guys(who work for the party) tell in private that special status will not be given as AP is not loyal enough to BJP like Bihar or Gujarat. & BJP is weak here[The fact that they have made no proper effort to grow here is totally irrelevant].
Also 14th Finance commission claims AP doesn't need any special status, which is why it will not be given.

[Add to that the rumours I have heard that the BJP govt. at the Centre is supposedly tacitly & subtly encouraging investment in BJP ruled states over the other states states]



Yes the PM should have chosen a person like Arun shourie who actually knows what to do in Finance, not another Lawyer like PC!

Irani is more talk,controversy & drama than work(her intentions are good from what I have heard from someone who had a one-on one interaction with her, but she has no idea what to do)

She has done nothing great or innovative so far & now she is trying to erode the autonomy the IIMs,(the best Management institutes this nation has) with her new bill.

Nope am not talking about bihar , jaitley imho is one of the worst performing ministers add to that there are rumours floating around that he's trying to cut down his opponents within the party to size - with rjd & jdu split bjp would have won easily but now that nitish and lalu are together there is no hope. I dont even know if modi will campaign again to embarass himself like in Delhi

It is the other half that is the problem. Modi picked this guy as FM over someone like Arun Shourie. Also picked Smriti Irani. Speaks poorly of his judgment.

I like smriti as a good parliamentarian/speaker etc but you are right something as important as HRD could've been better handled by someone else. I just hope Modi has enough sense to see what's happening around him and does something about it

 

[Bang Galore]

. I dont even know if modi will campaign again to embarass himself like in Delhi

No real choice but to campaign. Not doing so will both hurt his image as well as that of the party.

I like smriti as a good parliamentarian/speaker etc but you are right something as important as HRD could've been better handled by someone else. I just hope Modi has enough sense to see what's happening around him and does something about it

It's kind of embarrassing when we are dealing with people from the IIT's, IISC & eminent scientists and a minister like her. Sushma Sawaj might have been a better political choice if an expert was not being considered. Smriti Irani could have been I&B minister or some other, just not HRD. Even if you assume that she gets a bad rap, she is a bit of a walking target. Modi should have selected better.

What bothers me is that Modi does not seem to want to deal with heavyweight intellectuals like Arun Shourie, common sense would have indicated that Shourie could have balanced out fellows like Jaitley. The PM must encourage independent thinking, he would have been better served by having people like Shourie, MJ Akbar etc in important positions. The cupboard looks awfully bare now, absolutely bereft of talent.

 

[Darmashkian]

No real choice but to campaign. Not doing so will both hurt his image as well as that of the party.




It's kind of embarrassing when we are dealing with people from the IIT's, IISC & eminent scientists and a minister like her. Sushma Sawaj might have been a better political choice if an expert was not being considered. Smriti Irani could have been I&B minister or some other, just not HRD. Even if you assume that she gets a bad rap, she is a bit of a walking target. Modi should have selected better.

What bothers me is that Modi does not seem to want to deal with heavyweight intellectuals like Arun Shourie, common sense would have indicated that Shourie could have balanced out fellows like Jaitley. The PM must encourage independent thinking, he would have been better served by having people like Shourie, MJ Akbar etc in important positions. The cupboard looks awfully bare now, absolutely bereft of talent.

Arun Jaitley is Modi's Second In Command.. When Modi was the CM of Gujarat, it was Jaitley out of all the Delhi BJP leaders who stood by him & gave him legal advice when he was facing a lot of flak & legal problems with the fallout of the 2002 riots..

When Amit Shah had to leave Gujarat, it was Jaitley who gave him a place to stay in Delhi & further help

Modi knows all this & remember that Jaitley too was very supportive of his attempt to be PM compared to the RSS or the rest of the Old guard(Sushma,advani,Gadkari,Rajnath) & thus he trusts Jaitley immensely, to see him dumping Jaitley in the near future is impossible.

& Yes Jaitley doesn't like Shourie & thus he asked Modi not to include him in the Cabinet/gave Shourie a low ministerial post which he knew Shourie would not accept. I think it was Jaitley who was also responsible for MJ Akbar & other intellectuals not entering the cabinet!!

@magudi I've also heard the White Beard was responsible for this Lalit Modi-Swaraj-Raje expose to try & cut down these 2 leaders & their influence in the party(especially Raje who doesn't get along well with him). Anyway his plan to cut them down has failed, on the contrary it has strengthened Raje's position in Rajasthan & Sushma's on the cabinet & now threatens to backfire back in Jaitley's face who possibly facilitated the entire plan(Check Lalit Modi's tweets)


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[Bang Galore]

Arun Jaitley is Modi's Second In Command.. When Modi was the CM of Gujarat, it was Jaitley out of all the Delhi BJP leaders who stood by him & gave him legal advice when he was facing a lot of flak & legal problems with the fallout of the 2002 riots..

When Amit Shah had to leave Gujarat, it was Jaitley who gave him a place to stay in Delhi & further help

Modi knows all this & remember that Jaitley too was very supportive of his attempt to be PM compared to the RSS or the rest of the Old guard(Sushma,advani,Gadkari,Rajnath) & thus he trusts Jaitley immensely, to see him dumping Jaitley in the near future is impossible.

& Yes Jaitley doesn't like Shourie & thus he asked Modi not to include him in the Cabinet/gave Shourie a low ministerial post which he knew Shourie would not accept. I think it was Jaitley who was also responsible for MJ Akbar & other intellectuals not entering the cabinet!!

The problem with Jaitley is the same as the problem with Sibal & to some extent, Chidambaram. They are lawyers and they end up relying on technicalities which served them well in their profession but which can damage public perception. Atleast the Congress had quite a bit of alternate firepower, having Jaitley alone is suicidal in my view. Jaitley & Shourie don't get along but that should precisely been the reason for the PM to bring in Shourie. Now all the advice comes from Jaitley & with Shourie & the likes of Akbar not around, there is almost no filter. In any case, Shourie is an economist and would have done a far better job than Jaitley at Finance. Jaitley should have been Foreign minister or some other.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The problem with Jaitley is the same as the problem with Sibal & to some extent, Chidambaram. They are lawyers and they end up relying on technicalities which served them well in their profession but which can damage public perception. Atleast the Congress had quite a bit of alternate firepower, having Jaitley alone is suicidal in my view. Jaitley & Shourie don't get along but that should precisely been the reason for the PM to bring in Shourie. Now all the advice comes from Jaitley & with Shourie & the likes of Akbar not around, there is almost no filter. In any case, Shourie is an economist and would have done a far better job than Jaitley at Finance. Jaitley should have been Foreign minister or some other.

This Government is about TWO people only
Modi and Jaitley

They are also best of friends ; Jaitley has been with Modi in his toughest period
and was the first to endorse him as PM

Sushma can be excused but Raje will have to go

But If Raje goes then she will take entire Rajasthan unit of BJP with her

 

[magudi]

This Government is about TWO people only
Modi and Jaitley

They are also best of friends ; Jaitley has been with Modi in his toughest period
and was the first to endorse him as PM

Sushma can be excused but Raje will have to go

But If Raje goes then she will take entire Rajasthan unit of BJP with her

BJP should not sack Raje - Rajasthan is an important state if she gets the axe what happened in Karnataka with Yeddi will repeat

 

[uparyupari]

It's kind of embarrassing when we are dealing with people from the IIT's, IISC & eminent scientists and a minister like her. Sushma Sawaj might have been a better political choice if an expert was not being considered. Smriti Irani could have been I&B minister or some other, just not HRD. Even if you assume that she gets a bad rap, she is a bit of a walking target. Modi should have selected better.

Er. WHY is it embarrassing ? She is not a professor, she is the Minister. The constitution of India does not call for a educated person to sit on that chair. So what is the problem ? A few SNOB's being showed their place ?

Regarding the representation in her earlier submission, Sonia Gandhi is as much guilty of that and Dr. Swama had taken that matter right up to the Supreme court of India when the CHIEF JUSTICE request Dr. Swamy to show a "large heart"

So when the SC do not cognisance of such act, what other ground remain ?

So far everything indicates she is doing a great job. She is a walking target , but a few years back, so was Modi. See how that turned out ? From Global pariah to global hero.

What bothers me is that Modi does not seem to want to deal with heavyweight intellectuals like Arun Shourie, common sense would have indicated that Shourie could have balanced out fellows like Jaitley. The PM must encourage independent thinking, he would have been better served by having people like Shourie, MJ Akbar etc in important positions. The cupboard looks awfully bare now, absolutely bereft of talent.

Arun Shourie is a cad who has come out to badmouth Modi when he was offered the governorship of Pondicherry instead of a Minister-ship he wanted. Same is true for Murali Manohar Joshi, Advani and Yashwant Sinha.

Its foolish to give important minister ship to people of such weak character and greed. Modi is a Self Made man who knows who is worth what. That is how he got to where he is today. Do you really think you know more than him ?

 

[Bang Galore]

Do you really think you know more than him ?

We are here stating our opinions. Just like you are entitled to your opinion on Arun Shourie, so are we on these matters. Feel free to ignore if you wish..

 

[uparyupari]

We are here stating our opinions. Just like you are entitled to your opinion on Arun Shourie, so are we on these matters. Feel free to ignore if you wish..

No. I feel free to challenge your opinion. If you can't defend it, that is quite another matter. No point in blaming me for pointing our the obvious. You opened the door, I just walked in.

 

[Bang Galore]

No. I feel free to challenge your opinion. If you can't defend it, that is quite another matter. No point in blaming me for pointing our the obvious. You opened the door, I just walked in.

I stated my opinions on the matter, you countered it with whether I thought I knew more than the PM. I then pointed out that these are opinions, no one is stopping you from challenging it (not the first time we have crossed paths) but you seemed to suggest that we should not have an opinion because the PM knows better. That argument is simply silly. Most PM's knew more & got there with a certain amount of talent. If people didn't get to have an opinion on that score, we wouldn't be here, would we?

 

[uparyupari]

I stated my opinions on the matter, you countered it with whether I thought I knew more than the PM. I then pointed out that these are opinions, no one is stopping you from challenging it (not the first time we have crossed paths) but you seemed to suggest that we should not have an opinion because the PM knows better. That argument is simply silly. Most PM's knew more & got there with a certain amount of talent. If people didn't get to have an opinion on that score, we wouldn't be here, would we?

Nope you are free to have an opinion and when you voice it, you give people the right to counter it and challenge it.

You are required to defend it in an forum. When you can't then its better you show the grace to admit you were wrong. Isn't that why we are here ?

 

[Bang Galore]

Nope you are free to have an opinion and when you voice it, you give people the right to counter it and challenge it.

You were the one suggesting that one shouldn't hold an opinion because the PM or someone else knows better. I have never had a problem with you voicing an opinion and you are free to counter anything you want. I put forward an opinion & you responded with your own. There is nothing to counter here (atleast for me), all there is are two points of view.