Syrian Civil War (Graphic Photos/Vid Not Allowed)

[Yazp]

Good one from Not a Spy:

I'm only reporting news.


Wiki map is pretty accurate. Little pro Assad, although there are some pro rebel mistakes too, like Sasa.

I'm aware of that, but just as a general question.
What do you think Israel gets from bringing down Assad?

 

[azzo]

I'm aware of that, but just as a general question.
What do you think Israel gets from bringing down Assad?

- Being anti-Assad means being Anti-Iran.

- Making sure that message is heard across the world.

- Stopping Iranian influence from spreading any further.

- Cutting the lifeline of the Iranian militia (Hezbollat) residing on their border.

- Stopping the influx of people joining ISIS to counter Assad's atrocities.

- More stability, since a 1 VS 1 is better than a three-way.

- More (real) focus on ISIS, instead of them being used by Assad, Iran, and others as a pressuring tool against the west (If you think we're bad, just look at the alternative) like how they're being used in Syria and Iraq to ease off the Global pressure on Assad's regime and Hashd militia. And with Iran in the Nuclear talks.

 

[Dr.Thrax]

- Being anti-Assad means being Anti-Iran.

- Making sure that message is heard across the world.

- Stopping Iranian influence from spreading any further.

- Cutting the lifeline of the Iranian militia (Hezbollat) residing on their border.

- Stopping the influx of people joining ISIS to counter Assad's atrocities.

- More stability, since a 1 VS 1 is better than a three-way.

- More (real) focus on ISIS, instead of them being used by Assad, Iran, and others as a pressuring tool against the west (If you think we're bad, just look at the alternative) like how they're being used in Syria and Iraq to ease off the Global pressure on Assad's regime and Hashd militia. And with Iran in the Nuclear talks.

Thing is, once Hezbollah and Iranian influence die out, Israel is forgetting their next door neighbor to the NorthWest isn't too keen on their treatment of Palestinians and the Holy Land.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Will the votes for HDP in Turkey make YPG stronger?

 

[Yazp]

- Being anti-Assad means being Anti-Iran.

- Making sure that message is heard across the world.

- Stopping Iranian influence from spreading any further.

- Cutting the lifeline of the Iranian militia (Hezbollat) residing on their border.

- Stopping the influx of people joining ISIS to counter Assad's atrocities.

- More stability, since a 1 VS 1 is better than a three-way.

- More (real) focus on ISIS, instead of them being used by Assad, Iran, and others as a pressuring tool against the west (If you think we're bad, just look at the alternative) like how they're being used in Syria and Iraq to ease off the Global pressure on Assad's regime and Hashd militia. And with Iran in the Nuclear talks.

I was specifically asking the Israeli, Not a Saudi...

 

[-SINAN-]

Will the votes for HDP in Turkey make YPG stronger?

Expect some serious change in Turkish foreign pollicy, if MHP-CHP forms a coalition.... I don't think Turkey will ever support YPG.

I think changes would be...
-Isolating Turkey from ME conflicts.
-Neutral position in Syrian Civil war.
-Restoring relations with Eygpt
-Restoring relations with Libya
-Restoring relations with Israel. (This might be not possible immediately, but maybe after some 2-3 years later.)

 

[atatwolf]

Run baby run.

 

[Serpentine]

Expect some serious change in Turkish foreign pollicy, if MHP-CHP forms a coalition.... I don't think Turkey will ever support YPG.

I think changes would be...
-Isolating Turkey from ME conflicts.
-Neutral position in Syrian Civil war.
-Restoring relations with Eygpt
-Restoring relations with Libya
-Restoring relations with Israel. (This might be not possible immediately, but maybe after some 2-3 years later.)

I think it's better for Turkey itself and ME.

 

[-SINAN-]

I think it's better for Turkey itself and ME.

I think it's better for Turkey....

Better for ME...i dunno. ME is too fvcked up.

 

[atatwolf]

I think changes would be...
-Isolating Turkey from ME conflicts.

I agree with your points but it is impossible to isolate Turkey from ME conflicts now. It is too late for that. We have 4 million Syrian refugees. If the situation in Syria is not fixed, it will be a huge drag on the economy.

-Neutral position in Syrian Civil war.

Too late for that.

-Restoring relations with Eygpt

I agree. We should be more flexible with our foreign policy. Israel has huge ideological differences with the Saudi's and Egyptians but they have good relations with them. AKP needs to go of all or nothing attitude.

-Restoring relations with Libya

I agree. Same applies here.

-Restoring relations with Israel. (This might be not possible immediately, but maybe after some 2-3 years later.)

Same applies here too. AKP needs to let go of all or nothing attitude. Israel is a strategic partner against aggression of Hezbollah. Compared to other ME countries, Israel can be negotiated with. They just want to survive between extremists. And as last: In the past we were neutral towards Assad but they weren't neutral towards us. Assad supported PKK. We have to be assertive otherwise others will make decisions for us and support groups against us. We need to maintain our bufferzones for safety. This includes Syria and Iraq. At some point we need to clean our borders of PKK otherwise other countries will keep using them against us.

 

[Serpentine]

I think it's better for Turkey....

Better for ME...i dunno. ME is too fvcked up.

Well, I don't think the game Erdogan has played in Syria is in 'benefit' of Syria and Iraq. Yep it's too fvcked up, but it's possible to reduce the momentum of getting fvcked up.

 

[-SINAN-]

I agree with your points but it is impossible to isolate Turkey from ME conflicts now. It is too late for that. We have 4 million Syrian refugees. If the situation in Syria is not fixed, it will be a huge drag on the economy.

Too late for that.

This what i assume bro.... CHP would just seal the border, cut all the relations with rebels....and he would say "I'm gonna send all Syrians back to home when the war is over".

And as last: In the past we were neutral towards Assad but they weren't neutral towards us. Assad supported PKK. We have to be assertive otherwise others will make decisions for us and support groups against us. We need to maintain our bufferzones for safety. This includes Syria and Iraq. At some point we need to clean our borders of PKK otherwise other countries will keep using them against us.

Yes, i agree but I don't think it would became a reality with Kılıçdaroğlu.... You need an aggressive leader like OsmanPamukoğlu....If Pamukoğlu had been in charge for 2 years...he would have annihilated any terror group (PKK,PJAK,YPG,ISIS,NUSRA) that share borders with us.

Well, I don't think the game Erdogan has played in Syria is in 'benefit' of Syria and Iraq. Yep it's too fvcked up, but it's possible to reduce the momentum of getting fvcked up.

You know....same applies to Iran as well.

 

[atatwolf]

This what i assume bro.... CHP would just seal the border, cut all the relations with rebels....and he would say "I'm gonna send all Syrians back to home when the war is over".


Yes, i agree but I don't think it would became reality with Kılıçdaroğlu.... You need an agressive leader like OsmanPamukoğlu....If Pamukoğlu had been in charge for 2 years...he would annihilate any terror group (PKK,PJAK,YPG,ISIS,NUSRA) that share borders with us.


You know....same applies to Iran as well.

Military strategy has to go together with political strategy. Thanks to Erdogan's policies PKK/YPG and other Kurdish terrorist groups have gotten rockstar status. It is because of Erdogan's bad policies that he allowed PKK to gain so much popularity. There is not even a peace process. They killed couple of Turkish soldiers and village guards every so many months. We don't want to get involved in ME but we were always involved because other people support terrorism against us and that was always the case. It was never not the case. It is good that Erdogan lost majority votes. He needs a wake-up call that all of his foreign policies have failed. We need to have good relations with Egypt, Israel, Saudi's if we want to solve Syria's problem. Is MHP for or against supporting FSA groups?

 

[-SINAN-]

Is MHP for or against supporting FSA groups?

- He says...Supporting rebel groups against Syria is like declaring war against Syria. So, i think he is against it.
- His one and only priority is, the Turcomans in both Syria and Iraq. As far as i understand he is not afraid to use muscle for our kin.

 

[atatwolf]

- He says...Supporting rebel groups against Syria is like declaring war against Syria. So, i think he is against it.
- His one and only priority is, the Turcomans in both Syria and Iraq. As far as i understand he is not afraid to use muscle for our kin.

There are FSA Turkmen regiments. It won't be possible to protect Turkmen without supporting FSA. I think MHP and AKP can agree on this but AKP needs to change their all-or-nothing attitude towards in other foreign policies.

Supporting Palestine has not use for us. We need to support Israel and Egypt so they can support Turkmen cause.