How can Egypt counter the F35i?

[Hamartia Antidote]

There is nothing to top, the US can single handidly pulverize a Chinese+Russian coalition on their own. As far as a current balance of power is concerned. They are getting stronger true but it won't happen in this decade at least.

BTW back to your BM vs cruise missile assessment. You should also mention that a cruise missile is usually fired at night making it even more difficult to track/shoot down.

 

[Desert Fox]

Of course they tested it, and I do think it is as effective as they say. However it is not that much of a balance of power tipper as it is being made out to be.

Of course not, i never suggested otherwise. However, it is a potential threat regardless and has been inducted for a reason. Any US CBG deployment in the Pacific will have one more thing to worry about a long with the possibility of hundreds, perhaps even thousands of Anti Ship missiles coming their way at once, among other threats.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Oh my dear friend, it is already passed all stages, I've been there, and it is not refurbishing, it is building from scratch, I have been there. And in fact a certain sweedish gentleman is one of my patients and he is there for this job.

Maybe!

There are contracts in place, and they will obviously be honoured, which means that Swedes
may work as consultants in the project (does not require a license), but will not be the project leaders.

Projekt Simoom – Wikipedia

 

[Desert Fox]

@Luftwaffe @Desert Fox

No but you are teaching them how to counter it, if they can counter Hamas's fire crackers they can counter a BM.

I don't think that would be a good comparison because BM's are significantly faster than rockets and a lot more difficult to intercept in comparison. Even then though, those home made Palestinian rockets sometime manage to make it through israel's defences.

 

[Mosamania]

There are contracts in place, and they will obviously be honoured, which means that Swedes
may work as consultants in the project (does not require a license), but will not be the project leaders.

Projekt Simoom – Wikipedia

Yep, free lance teachers, teaching post-graduate engineering to a number of students.

I don't think that would be a good comparison because BM's are significantly faster than rockets and a lot more difficult to intercept in comparison. Even then though, those home made Palestinian rockets sometime manage to make it through israel's defences.

Yeah, but they are practically the same in comparison, size vs speed. Actually getting the algorithms to hit a smaller sized object is more difficult than a faster object, which is why Hamas's rockets are more difficult to intercept than a (Supposed) Mach 10 missile.

 

[Azeri440]

Russia won't sell them the S-400. It is also expensive. Egypt doesn't have a immensely large defense budget. I wouldn't trust Russians on that either.

they will start selling the system in 2015
actually not expensive , 1 battalion (12 launchers) is about $200mil
about the same price of 2 F-35

 

[ELTurco]

Already they cant counter the F15s they operate highest number of latest variant of F16s in the world after usaf.

Israel is due to receive at least a batch of 20 initial F35 fighters in the near future.

This will give them a real advantage in the air. How can Egypt adapt to this threat? Will the MiG35 cut it?

Give me your analysis of what Egypt should take into account in the future. What it should invest in as well.

@Frogman @Dino R. @Skorpian @Mahmoud_EGY

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Should it invest more into missile defense systems?

Most effective move would be restoring its ties with Turkey..

Turkey will get F35's we can balance the power a bit in their favor also Egypt could join our national fighter programme.. that would make a real difference.. other than that.. i see no real chances owning will continue.

 

[anonymus]

I read from a Chinese thread where one of their latest Dong Feng series Ballistic Missiles travel at speeds of up to Mach 10 or more. That is one fast target for any ABM system to intercept.

But yes, i agree they won't win you the war, however they will make the enemy feel vulnerable and give you a psychological edge.

BM's, coupled with CM's, along with very effective Air Defence and AWAC's system is a very potent combination.

Good BM's are costly and even US and Russia has less than 100 good quality BM. You are imagining that a potent BM's cost is same as that of HAMAS firecracker and Egypt could mint 100's of them.

Difference of a short range ballistic missile over that of a long range one.

By that logic, Artillery would be better than any BM as an Artillery piece could deliver more munition in ten minutes than 100 ballistic missiles combined.

Dont forget to buy anti-satellite missile from China.....
Destroy their satellite first......before full scale war is approved

Good luck with procuring ASAT from China.

Use of an ASAT weapon has potential to knock out every satellite from Earth's orbit, courtesy Kessler syndrome ; the reason that even a country run by dimwits would not supply an ASAT weapon to another country.

Israel does not have a strategic depth, this is something they know very well, and ALL their military strategies have been trying to circumvent this shortfall. However, it is about dealing with these strategies.

Lack of strategic depth, while being a disadvantage in case of ground invasion, is an advantage in case of missile defence. Most of BMD system are point defence systems and could only defend a particular target, but in case of Israel, they could easily cover whole of Israel as most of the country could be covered by point defence systems.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

i dont know much about this but i know that russia and china are most interested on countering the 5th gen fighters f 35 and f 22 so we can use their knowledge . maybe a huge network of S 400 air defence and J 20 fighters and i am sure that other members have talked about all that i just want to add 1 thing that in war every side see what the other side can do we need to be ready to inflict a lot of damage to our enemy that they wont think about attacking us we can force peace if we are ready for war

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

One thing I always find funny about Arabs, they never went into battle with Russian weapons and won, yes the ones that fought with western weapons always won, yet they still hold the "Holy Russian weapon" mentality strong within them.

Arabs are funny people.

what about 73 war

 

[Frogman]

The sensationalism exhibited by some in this thread is hilarious, as is the attempt by others to politcise a defence question.

The Egyptian Armed Forces has been preparing for the arrival or the JSF for quite some time, however, these preparations would not be entirely clear for the amateur military enthusiast or for people who are not following the progression of the Egyptian Armed Forces.

I referred to the F-35 as the JSF for a reason, although a multirole aircraft it will be primarily used by the Israelis as a strike fighter. It will be used to attack command and control centers, vital infrastructure, and to suppress enemy air defence using its low observable nature to do so.

The job of countering the JSF has primarily fallen to the Air Defence command. Over the past 5 years the Air Defence command has introduced multiple new pass and active short range, medium range, and long range radar systems capable at operating at different wavelengths and using different bands. The idea is to negate the JSF's low observable nature by the introduction of capable radar systems able to detect the JSF at distances which are acceptable (although much shorter than those of 4th gen aircraft) and thus have the ability to send intercepting aircraft or use SAM systems (which have all had similar radar upgrades).
In the improvement in radar and processing capabilities (and its the processing capabilities that in reality are much more important) the EAD hopes to render 'stealth' useless, as the US Armed Forces has (although with much more vulnerabilities, however it is the same idea).

If you guys are interested in a more detailed and technical response let me know and I should be able to post a response in a day or two.

 

[Falcon29]

The sensationalism exhibited by some in this thread is hilarious, as is the attempt by others to politcise a defence question.

The Egyptian Armed Forces has been preparing for the arrival or the JSF for quite some time, however, these preparations would not be entirely clear for the amateur military enthusiast or for people who are not following the progression of the Egyptian Armed Forces.

I referred to the F-35 as the JSF for a reason, although a multirole aircraft it will be primarily used by the Israelis as a strike fighter. It will be used to attack command and control centers, vital infrastructure, and to suppress enemy air defence using its low observable nature to do so.

The job of countering the JSF has primarily fallen to the Air Defence command. Over the past 5 years the Air Defence command has introduced multiple new pass and active short range, medium range, and long range radar systems capable at operating at different wavelengths and using different bands. The idea is to negate the JSF's low observable nature by the introduction of capable radar systems able to detect the JSF at distances which are acceptable (although much shorter than those of 4th gen aircraft) and thus have the ability to send intercepting aircraft or use SAM systems (which have all had similar radar upgrades).
In the improvement in radar and processing capabilities (and its the processing capabilities that in reality are much more important) the EAD hopes to render 'stealth' useless, as the US Armed Forces has (although with much more vulnerabilities, however it is the same idea).

If you guys are interested in a more detailed and technical response let me know and I should be able to post a response in a day or two.

Do you remember the report that Israeli F15's went through the red sea undetected to bomb Sudan?

 

[Frogman]

Do you remember the report that Israeli F15's went through the red sea undetected to bomb Sudan?

Yep, the Israelis used international air space to get there. The Sudanese were unable to intercept the aircraft as their dated Mig-29 aircraft did not have night fighting capabilities.

 

[Timur]

Turkey will get F35's we can balance the power a bit in their favor also Egypt could join our national fighter programme.. that would make a real difference.. other than that.. i see no real chances owning will continue.

this would mean that agypt has to become independend they are just saudi and isreals slaves... this diktator sissi cannot be trusted he is a cold perverted massmurderer working for foreign countrys.. in this state turkey should not make wrong friends or just be far away and not let them(problems) come to close..

 

[Falcon29]

Yep, the Israelis used international air space to get there. The Sudanese were unable to intercept the aircraft as their dated Mig-29 aircraft did not have night fighting capabilities.

I read an report that Egyptian radar failed to detect the planes. And that some came near Alexandria.