Fakhri Pasha "The Defender of Madina"

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@al-Hasani
Lol Arab blood, you are delusional. Why there is so much difference in Lebanon people and you? Why Syrians looks different then gulf people? And what is Arab blood? I guess every human being have arab blood in that case. Lol

 

[T-123456]

Yes, that's the dumb in you. The Arab world have the oldest civilizations in the world and the Arab Caliphates and Arabs built the greatest cities of the ancient world (Baghdad, Cordoba etc.) and many others and ruled the biggest and greatest Muslim Empires when Turks still lived on the Central Asian Steppe and in Mongolia and here you are talking about culture?

Yemenis built the first skyscrapers before the word Turk even was invented. Over 2000 years ago. The Greeks and Romans called it Arabia Felix. Happy Arabia. The same Yemen who has one of the oldest civilizations.

Yes, nothing. But you rule the world. The Arabs are successful in any field everywhere. For instance the world richest man is an Arab. Steve Job was an Arab. There are countless of famous Arab poets, scientists, scholars, billionaires, businessmen etc. I would not compare yourself with nearly 450 million people and their achievements with all due respect.

The 3.5 million Arab-Americans for instance are on average richer and better educated than the average American by a considerable margin.

Did i hit a snare,getting personal?
Well let me tell you this,you are the dumbest Arab here.
We have a name for you ''book writer'',the reason being that evry dumb answer of yours is like a book about the glory of Arabis and what it brought to this world,semitic this hashimate that bla bla bla.
What 450 mil?
Most Arab countries dont even like the Arabian peninsula Arabs,the only thing you have is money and all after WWI.
90% of those famous Arabs of yours are Not from the peninsula so no credit for you again.
Rich yes because of what,only because of oil and nothing else.
So in the future,before you talk about Arab achievements think and find something else then a book,its getting boring.

 

[al-Hasani]

Im not here to discuss how the Arab Sunni-Shia split occurred, just putting it out there that it was an Arab blunder due to internal Arab struggle for the seat of power (not much different from Arabs of today, it seems old habits die hard).

Iran didn't exist in the year 632 during the Arab Muslim Sectarian division in which Shia Islam has its origins. So Persians can't be held accountable for that, rather Arabs are blame worthy. Safavid forced conversion of Iranians to Shia Islam was just a product of the Arab Sunni-Shia sectarianism.

Shia Iran is a Arab product.


Secondly, i see you're trying to downplay the Arab assistance to Zionist colonial powers in their war against a Muslim nation and thus occupation of Muslim Holy lands.


And so the Arabs chose to be under British influence rather than Muslim Turkish.

On the map, yes. But the Arabs played the key role on the ground.



Just putting it put there that non-Arabs played a very significant role in Islamic history, after all 80% of Worlds Muslim population is non-Arab. Though, i'm glad you got the gist.

By your logic Islam is an Arab product. You contradict yourself all the time.

Yes, look how united the Turks are. They don't even speak the same language, don't even border each other and don't even have a Turkic union where all of them are present. So much for that. Look how you Pashtuns are united. Don't even have a country and an Afghan Pashtun often hates an Pakistani Pashtun solely due to him being Pakistani.

Sects are present in every major religion. Blaming one people for that is a stupidity. Since you like speaking about Islam then I am sure that you have heard about the prophecy of sects?

Who are you fooling? Palestine is Arab land. If we Arabs do not care about it then who will then? Yet the Arabs and nothing to do with Israel being created. Only the Brits and the Jews themselves. More precisely the Zionists and the influential Jews which already back then controlled large parts of European politics and banking. Yet you blame it on the Arabs who back then were colonized by the Brits and French by far until they gained independence in battles.

70-75% to be precise but we are not talking about numbers today but history.

@T-123456

Go to sleep oldie and open a book next time. You know nothing as usual. I think that I already countered you in my last post more than fittingly.

 

[Desert Fox]

We are talking about the first group of people. Don't make stupid comments when you know what I mean and what I am referring to. Islam was first really spread when Prophet Muhammad (saws) appeared and united his people the Arabs. The final messenger of Allah (swt). Claiming otherwise is a lie.

A Muslim is one who submits to the one and true God, Allah. Adam and Eve (AS) were the first human beings and they submitted themselves to Allah. Or, are you suggesting otherwise (you should be ashamed of that).

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to the Jahil people of Arabia because they were the most backwards of the Nations of the world. This is something the Arab Imams even acknowledge.

So, yes @al-Hasani Adam and Eve (AS) were the first and original Muslims.

 

[-SINAN-]

I am talking about the family. The family that founded the Ottomans came from nowhere from Turkmenistan. Hence the use of obscure. I am not talking about any past rule. Nor is it relevant.

Nowhere from Turkmenistan...... I think for you definition of nowhere is outside KSA.

If you are saying the particular, Osman family consists of have never ruled any different Empire as big as Ottomans, yes it's true.

And you don't make sense. Can you show me a particular family that ruled several Empires in the history.

According to this link it lasted from 1037 to 1194 and most sources say that it was Persianized.

Seljuq Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Selçuklular - Vikipedi

Great Selcuk empire, Conitnued as Anatolian Selcuk Empire. Again Ruled by Oghuz Turks.

As we came into contact Iranians Inluenced us and we influenced them..... how come we became Persianized.

Most of the Turks who still livis in Iran are far from being Persinized after a millenia.

Look at all those sources.

I am still taking about the family not a whole people.

He talked about false and I took that as meaning the country. I might be wrong but in any case, as I initially wrote, that was just a similar reply to his false claim which I took as meaning the country.

I once said not to insult our nation or country as a response. As most of us don't do it with your country and nation.

Give me a Hadith.

You ask the wrong person....

I don't know about hadits, maybe our more religious member can supply.

Unsurper is unsurper. If somebody or a family takes the throne of KSA they will be called usurpers.

For you.... you can name call us in the internet. We can't stop that.

Oh, which double standards do I set? You don't seem neutral anyway.

I'm saying other Arabs defeated previous Arab caliphs and decleared themselves caliphs.

You don't have problem with that.

But when Turks defeated previous Arab caliph and decleared themselves caliphs. They are free to be called usurpers.

Why...... ? Because they were not arabs. If they had been Arabs, you won't have a problem with them.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Desert Fox

I am talking about people and that's a complete lie when there were plenty of Christians, Jews (all Abrahamic religions) and Hanifs (monotheists) and the region was developed compared to the remaining world at that time and a major crossroads bordering the most important areas of the ancient world (back then).

Let' not even talk about the Americas, majority of Europe, Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa 1500 years ago.

 

[usernameless]

i don´t think it makes sense to argue with each other here. In the past the caliphate was also a matter of prestige and status. As the Ottomans were stronger at that time, the era of the law of the strongest, they took it from the Arabs. this has nothing to do with religion at all since muslims have been killing each other from the early days for various reasons, political and might may i say? So, Turkish rulers became the caliphate and ruled Arab lands, right or wrong is up to one;s opinion, and the Arabs retook what was theirs in the 20th century. Denying the Arabs of their lands is kinda silly and with the rise of nationalism at that time it seemed only normal to claim what was yours to begin with.

What i do not and cannot agree with, however, is that Arabs have been 'used' (sorry for the Arab members) by the west in the past to achieve their goals. Sure Arabs retook their lands, but the west profited the most from it in the sense of dividing and ruling the people in the ME region. I bet That's what annoys Turkish people the most about the Arabs of that time. and let's be honest here, Saudi Arabia and the gulf countries are still firmly dependent on the same western countries that ironically 'helped' them to achieve independence.

 

[olcayto]

İ didn't know that getting desert sand up in your crack each day could make a human go so bad.

What's next? Are we going to claim that the Almighty himself is a Arab?
Tövbe tövbe. Gece gece günaha sokuyorlar adamı.

 

[Hyperion]

Ok I am going to play the grow up here...... all of you stop having a dick measuring contest........ let's behave...... and let each other be.......

 

[Hyperion]

Then don't......

Tövbe tövbe. Gece gece günaha sokuyorlar adamı.

 

[Desert Fox]

By your logic Islam is an Arab product. You contradict yourself all the time.

Yes, look how united the Turks are. They don't even speak the same language, don't even border each other and don't even have a Turkic union where all of them are present. So much for that. Look how you Pashtuns are united. Don't even have a country and an Afghan Pashtun often hates an Pakistani Pashtun solely due to him being Pakistani.

Sects are present in every major religion. Blaming one people for that is a stupidity. Since you like speaking about Islam then I am sure that you have heard about the prophecy of sects?

Who are you fooling? Palestine is Arab land. If we Arabs do not care about it then who will then? Yet the Arabs and nothing to do with Israel being created. Only the Brits and the Jews themselves. More precisely the Zionists and the influential Jews which already back then controlled large parts of European politics and banking. Yet you blame it on the Arabs who back then were colonized by the Brits and French by far until they gained independence in battles.

70-75% to be precise but we are not talking about numbers today but history.

@T-123456

Go to sleep oldie and open a book next time. You know nothing as usual. I thin that I already contoured you in my last post.

Hey, i don't claim Pashtuns did this and that for Islam, and heck i admit that my people are backwards and have a lot of catching up to do with the rest of the world.

But what i said does bring us back to the point i made in my first post on this thread, that the Arab lust for the seat of power (which predates Islam) is what has divided Arabs and the Muslim world.

Arabs, despite there being close to 400 million of them, are the most divided and easily influenced people in this world.

@Desert Fox

I am talking about people and that's a complete lie when there were plenty of Christians, Jews (all Abrahamic religions) and Hanifs (monotheists) and the region was developed compared to the remaining world at that time and a major crossroads bordering the most important areas of the ancient world (back then).

Let' not even talk about the Americas, majority of Europe, Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa 1500 years ago.

I'm not pulling all of this info out of nowhere. Many influential Arab Sheikhs and Imams, some who come to America from Arabic countries said the same story. In fact, this story is known throughout the Islamic world that pre-Islamic Arabia was a backwards place in terms of treatment of human beings and height of ignorance.

And fact is, Adam and Eve (AS) were the first Muslims (ones who submit themselves to God).

 

[olcayto]

Ok I am going to play the grow up here...... all of you stop having a dick measuring contest........ let's behave...... and let each other be.......

İt's not about measuring our d!cks. No one has claimed that we are superior either.
I'm getting sick and tired of the insults to other people from the sand boy above me, so that he can satisfy his arab supremacism ideology.

 

[T-123456]

By your logic Islam is an Arab product. You contradict yourself all the time.

Yes, look how united the Turks are. They don't even speak the same language, don't even border each other and don't even have a Turkic union where all of them are present. So much for that. Look how you Pashtuns are united. Don't even have a country and an Afghan Pashtun often hates an Pakistani Pashtun solely due to him being Pakistani.

Sects are present in every major religion. Blaming one people for that is a stupidity. Since you like speaking about Islam then I am sure that you have heard about the prophecy of sects?

Who are you fooling? Palestine is Arab land. If we Arabs do not care about it then who will then? Yet the Arabs and nothing to do with Israel being created. Only the Brits and the Jews themselves. More precisely the Zionists and the influential Jews which already back then controlled large parts of European politics and banking. Yet you blame it on the Arabs who back then were colonized by the Brits and French by far until they gained independence in battles.

70-75% to be precise but we are not talking about numbers today but history.

@T-123456

Go to sleep oldie and open a book next time. You know nothing as usual. I think that I already countered you in my last post more than fittingly.

Your bs reply again,cant take the truth huh?
Palestine?
Just yesterday you posted that the Palestinian cause is not your problem,kid you need to stand by your words.
Never will the other Arabs accept you as their leaders and you know it,money doesnt buy evrything,i gues you will find out when you grow up.
Try to get of your high camel and see reality,you cant be taken serious with all your hollywood fantasies.
This was my last reply to you but if you do this bs again(writing a story book)i'll be back!

 

[al-Hasani]

Nowhere from Turkmenistan...... I think for you definition of nowhere is outside KSA.

If you are saying the particular, Osman family consists of have never ruled any different Empire as big as Ottomans, yes it's true.

And you don't make sense. Can you show me a particular family that ruled several Empires in the history.




Selçuklular - Vikipedi

Great Selcuk empire, Conitnued as Anatolian Selcuk Empire. Again Ruled by Oghuz Turks.

As we came into contact Iranians Inluenced us and we influenced them..... how come we became Persianized.

Most of the Turks who still livis in Iran are far from being Persinized after a millenia.

I once said not to insult our nation or country as a response. As most of us don't do it with your country and nation.



You ask the wrong person....

I don't know about hadits, maybe our more religious member can supply.



For you.... you can name call us in the internet. We can't stop that.



I'm saying other Arabs defeated previous Arab caliphs and decleared themselves caliphs.

You don't have problem with that.

But when Turks defeated previous Arab caliph and decleared themselves caliphs. They are free to be called usurpers.

Why...... ? Because they were not arabs. If they had been Arabs, you won't have a problem with them.

Why are you starting a pointless discussion when I said that the family of the Ottomans were obscure? They did not rule anything prior to staring the Ottoman Empire. Hence obscure. Obscure compared to the Abbasid Dynasty that had ruled the Muslim world for 500 years previously and 250 years nominally only. Once again I meant the FAMILY not a whole people. I already wrote it more than once. Why continue to deliberately misunderstand it?

Eh, ask all the sources used or what most historians say about being Persianized. Don't blame me for repeating the common held belief. I did not invent that claim.

Well he did. We had two Turks who insulted Arabs before any Arab had written in this post. So don't blame me for replying in a similar fashion. Earlier today we had an idiotic Turk who started insulting Arabs for no reason until I countered him and he became silent.

Yes, I would like to see that and it is genuine.

No it is not for me. When somebody takes a throne from a dynasty that ruled for centuries they are referred to as usurpers or at least can be.

Civil wars.

 

[Hyperion]

Carry on then....

İt's not about measuring our d!cks. No one has claimed that we are superior either.
I'm getting sick and tired of the insults to other people from the sand boy above me, so that he can satisfy his arab supremacism ideology.

 

[-SINAN-]

Ok. Yet you are making up quotes and claims that I have not written. For instance I have never talked about any second class Muslims that you are implying falsely.

See your post. #26

I didn't make up quotes.

I just exposed your mindset that's it.

Nor do I care if you think so. To be honest with you since I have never written this nor do I believe in such a thing.

There were plenty. Arab fought against Arab just like Turks fought against Turks during the Ottoman Empire.

Then what is your point ?

Yes, that was possible. Ever heard about a navy? Arabs controlled the naval trade routes at that time for hundreds of years hence they even reached that part of the world thousands of km away from the ME.

Even mighty Genghis Khan failed the conquer Japan with a sea expedition and here you claim that you can do it......