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Did i hit a snare,getting personal?Yes, that's the dumb in you. The Arab world have the oldest civilizations in the world and the Arab Caliphates and Arabs built the greatest cities of the ancient world (Baghdad, Cordoba etc.) and many others and ruled the biggest and greatest Muslim Empires when Turks still lived on the Central Asian Steppe and in Mongolia and here you are talking about culture?
Yemenis built the first skyscrapers before the word Turk even was invented. Over 2000 years ago. The Greeks and Romans called it Arabia Felix. Happy Arabia. The same Yemen who has one of the oldest civilizations.
Yes, nothing. But you rule the world. The Arabs are successful in any field everywhere. For instance the world richest man is an Arab. Steve Job was an Arab. There are countless of famous Arab poets, scientists, scholars, billionaires, businessmen etc. I would not compare yourself with nearly 450 million people and their achievements with all due respect.
The 3.5 million Arab-Americans for instance are on average richer and better educated than the average American by a considerable margin.
Im not here to discuss how the Arab Sunni-Shia split occurred, just putting it out there that it was an Arab blunder due to internal Arab struggle for the seat of power (not much different from Arabs of today, it seems old habits die hard).
Iran didn't exist in the year 632 during the Arab Muslim Sectarian division in which Shia Islam has its origins. So Persians can't be held accountable for that, rather Arabs are blame worthy. Safavid forced conversion of Iranians to Shia Islam was just a product of the Arab Sunni-Shia sectarianism.
Shia Iran is a Arab product.
Secondly, i see you're trying to downplay the Arab assistance to Zionist colonial powers in their war against a Muslim nation and thus occupation of Muslim Holy lands.
And so the Arabs chose to be under British influence rather than Muslim Turkish.
On the map, yes. But the Arabs played the key role on the ground.
Just putting it put there that non-Arabs played a very significant role in Islamic history, after all 80% of Worlds Muslim population is non-Arab. Though, i'm glad you got the gist.
We are talking about the first group of people. Don't make stupid comments when you know what I mean and what I am referring to. Islam was first really spread when Prophet Muhammad (saws) appeared and united his people the Arabs. The final messenger of Allah (swt). Claiming otherwise is a lie.
I am talking about the family. The family that founded the Ottomans came from nowhere from Turkmenistan. Hence the use of obscure. I am not talking about any past rule. Nor is it relevant.
According to this link it lasted from 1037 to 1194 and most sources say that it was Persianized.
Seljuq Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look at all those sources.
I am still taking about the family not a whole people.
He talked about false and I took that as meaning the country. I might be wrong but in any case, as I initially wrote, that was just a similar reply to his false claim which I took as meaning the country.
Give me a Hadith.
Unsurper is unsurper. If somebody or a family takes the throne of KSA they will be called usurpers.
Oh, which double standards do I set? You don't seem neutral anyway.
Tövbe tövbe. Gece gece günaha sokuyorlar adamı.
By your logic Islam is an Arab product. You contradict yourself all the time.
Yes, look how united the Turks are. They don't even speak the same language, don't even border each other and don't even have a Turkic union where all of them are present. So much for that. Look how you Pashtuns are united. Don't even have a country and an Afghan Pashtun often hates an Pakistani Pashtun solely due to him being Pakistani.
Sects are present in every major religion. Blaming one people for that is a stupidity. Since you like speaking about Islam then I am sure that you have heard about the prophecy of sects?
Who are you fooling? Palestine is Arab land. If we Arabs do not care about it then who will then? Yet the Arabs and nothing to do with Israel being created. Only the Brits and the Jews themselves. More precisely the Zionists and the influential Jews which already back then controlled large parts of European politics and banking. Yet you blame it on the Arabs who back then were colonized by the Brits and French by far until they gained independence in battles.
70-75% to be precise but we are not talking about numbers today but history.
@T-123456
Go to sleep oldie and open a book next time. You know nothing as usual. I thin that I already contoured you in my last post.
@Desert Fox
I am talking about people and that's a complete lie when there were plenty of Christians, Jews (all Abrahamic religions) and Hanifs (monotheists) and the region was developed compared to the remaining world at that time and a major crossroads bordering the most important areas of the ancient world (back then).
Let' not even talk about the Americas, majority of Europe, Asia or Sub-Saharan Africa 1500 years ago.
Ok I am going to play the grow up here...... all of you stop having a dick measuring contest........ let's behave...... and let each other be.......
Your bs reply again,cant take the truth huh?By your logic Islam is an Arab product. You contradict yourself all the time.
Yes, look how united the Turks are. They don't even speak the same language, don't even border each other and don't even have a Turkic union where all of them are present. So much for that. Look how you Pashtuns are united. Don't even have a country and an Afghan Pashtun often hates an Pakistani Pashtun solely due to him being Pakistani.
Sects are present in every major religion. Blaming one people for that is a stupidity. Since you like speaking about Islam then I am sure that you have heard about the prophecy of sects?
Who are you fooling? Palestine is Arab land. If we Arabs do not care about it then who will then? Yet the Arabs and nothing to do with Israel being created. Only the Brits and the Jews themselves. More precisely the Zionists and the influential Jews which already back then controlled large parts of European politics and banking. Yet you blame it on the Arabs who back then were colonized by the Brits and French by far until they gained independence in battles.
70-75% to be precise but we are not talking about numbers today but history.
@T-123456
Go to sleep oldie and open a book next time. You know nothing as usual. I think that I already countered you in my last post more than fittingly.
Nowhere from Turkmenistan...... I think for you definition of nowhere is outside KSA.
If you are saying the particular, Osman family consists of have never ruled any different Empire as big as Ottomans, yes it's true.
And you don't make sense. Can you show me a particular family that ruled several Empires in the history.
Selçuklular - Vikipedi
Great Selcuk empire, Conitnued as Anatolian Selcuk Empire. Again Ruled by Oghuz Turks.
As we came into contact Iranians Inluenced us and we influenced them..... how come we became Persianized.
Most of the Turks who still livis in Iran are far from being Persinized after a millenia.
I once said not to insult our nation or country as a response. As most of us don't do it with your country and nation.
You ask the wrong person....
I don't know about hadits, maybe our more religious member can supply.
For you.... you can name call us in the internet. We can't stop that.
I'm saying other Arabs defeated previous Arab caliphs and decleared themselves caliphs.
You don't have problem with that.
But when Turks defeated previous Arab caliph and decleared themselves caliphs. They are free to be called usurpers.
Why...... ? Because they were not arabs. If they had been Arabs, you won't have a problem with them.
İt's not about measuring our d!cks. No one has claimed that we are superior either.
I'm getting sick and tired of the insults to other people from the sand boy above me, so that he can satisfy his arab supremacism ideology.
Ok. Yet you are making up quotes and claims that I have not written. For instance I have never talked about any second class Muslims that you are implying falsely.
Nor do I care if you think so. To be honest with you since I have never written this nor do I believe in such a thing.
There were plenty. Arab fought against Arab just like Turks fought against Turks during the Ottoman Empire.
Yes, that was possible. Ever heard about a navy? Arabs controlled the naval trade routes at that time for hundreds of years hence they even reached that part of the world thousands of km away from the ME.