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Problem is not intervention problem is when this intervention converts into long long period of dictatorships with powers to manipulate constitutions. There are country where army have had brief intervention but that never hurt democracy as army was not allowed to be in power for too long.

Fact is Pak population is 160million if they rise except Allah there isnt any thing stoping them from taking over .. we have to look at fundamental problem is what stopping them and that my friend is the fundamental issues and conspiracies look around you for a minute from middleast to far east what is happning muslims are being humilated and the capitalist powers are not willing to resolve , accept it or not but the reality is Pakistanis are emotional and they just cant accept the fact that our muslim brothers and sisters in kashmir are occupied since last 60years and the so called super powers havent done a thing and this is the root cause!
 
On different wavelengths


By Ayesha Siddiqa

Friday, 16 Oct, 2009 | 08:41 AM PST |



The recent attack on GHQ and yesterday’s attacks in Lahore and Kohat and the government’s response to these incidents reminded one of the days after the terrorist attack on Islamabad’s Marriott Hotel.

There were some in the government who referred to the incident as Pakistan’s 9/11. While that particular date in American history can be interpreted in several ways, its greatest significance lies in the fact that it brought the state and society in the US on the same page as far as fighting the war against terror was concerned. Did we manage to achieve this consensus on Sept 20 last year? Perhaps not.

But this is where the catch lies. The enemy is far more intelligent than what some of our television commentators would like us to believe. In the GHQ case, the terrorists not only understood the strategic value of attacking at the heart of the army’s power base, they also appeared to understand the chasm between the state and society and within the state at several levels. The attackers understand the civilian-military divide better than a lot of people who talk about a new era of civilian-military relations in the country and boast about the two sides being on the same page.

They probably understand that the civilian government might pretend to be powerful but that it depends on externally borrowed power and that in the case of friction between the two centres of power, it is the civilians who would back off. This was most obvious from the fact that instead of raising some critical questions after the attack on GHQ, all that the president and prime minister could do was congratulate Gen Ashfaq Kayani on the excellent handling of the crisis.

There is no doubt that the nation is saddened by the death of unarmed officers and soldiers, and supports any action to punish those who carried out the attack. But the entire event ought to be discussed threadbare without any mudslinging. Why was it that 10 men penetrated a highly guarded area and remained ensconced in GHQ for about 19 hours, especially when the army’s high command was in the premises?

There are two important issues here. First, the Pakistan Army, which is trained mainly in conventional warfare and fighting state forces, is not well trained in counter-insurgency operations. This explains why despite being armed with G3s and other types of infantry equipment the force guarding GHQ could not respond properly. Hence, this capacity must be beefed up at the earliest.

Second, the connection of the key planner Aqeel, alias Dr Usman, with the army medical stores is a reminder of the problem that could perhaps prevail in pockets inside the rest of the military. This pertains to the religio-political inclinations of individual civil and military officials and officers that directly or indirectly support the jihadis.

Aqeel’s is not a unique case. Earlier there was Major Haroon Ashiq alleged to be involved in the murder of Gen Faisal Alavi.
He was linked with one of the Punjab-based militant outfits. His capture led the police and agencies to other retired officers who had split from the Lashkar-i-Taiba and were waging ‘jihad’ on their own. We must also not forget the air force officials and officers involved in the first attack on the former president Gen Pervez Musharraf. Reportedly, the agencies were forced to go deep within the PAF in search of people connected to different militant outfits or the tableeghi jamaat.

At this point, how sure are we that all older links between the jihadis and individuals in the police or military have been snapped? Instead of eulogising the army, parliament should be carefully looking at and questioning the old linkages from the perspective of having a handle on the problem of ‘jihadism’ and what it means for the state.

ISPR director general Maj-Gen Athar Abbas stated that the attackers had planned to use the hostages to negotiate the release of about 100 terrorists. Reportedly, there are about 400 terrorists in different jails. Some of the more high-profile detainees are believed to include Malik Ishaq, head of the Lashkar-i-Jhangvi (LJ) and Qari Saifullah Akhtar, head of the Hizb-ul-Jihad Islami. The government must now look at its preparedness and the capacity to protect its high-value detainees.

Although the military and government now seem inclined to consider other reasons for the attack, such as the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan trying to avenge Baitullah Mehsud’s death, the rescue of high-value terrorists seems to be the primary reason, which must not be ignored at any cost. It must not be forgotten that the attack on the Sri Lankan team in Lahore was also meant to take hostages who could then be exchanged for top jihadis. Sources even claim that the LJ’s Malik Ishaq was involved in the earlier case and had decided to use the attack to get himself freed after the elected Punjab government failed to deliver on a mutual agreement between LJ and the PML-N leadership.

What’s equally interesting is the fact that there is an effort by those in power to ignore or divert attention from areas which are as infested with extremist militants as Fata and the tribal areas. The sudden effort to get policemen from most districts of south Punjab to deny the existence of the jihadi problem in their areas is a reaction similar to when the government denied the Pakistani connections of the Mumbai attackers even before investigating the matter. The denial is strange since most of the attacks in Punjab or the federal capital are believed to be provoked or carried out by Punjabis or Punjab-based militant outfits.

Perhaps the fear is that this might divert international attention towards Punjab or make ordinary Pakistanis think about the reasons why jihadis have spread terror across Pakistan and not confined themselves to the tribal areas as the authorities would like us to believe. Interestingly, even the ISPR’s emphasis is that the attack might have involved Punjabis but that it was carried out at the behest of the Pakhtun Taliban.


It is indeed important to fight militants in Waziristan who are influenced by Al Qaeda, but why does it have to be at the cost of ignoring the Punjab-based outfits who are proving to be good hosts for the terrorist network? Sources believe that Al Qaeda has trickled into areas bordering Punjab. These outfits operate beyond the Pakhtun-inhabited tribal areas and their threat is evident from the sectarian killings in Dera Ismail Khan and other places.

There is a possibility that the civilian government might lose the initiative in an urge to appease the military and the latter might just lose the initiative to act against those that were part of the GHQ attack for unexplained strategic reasons. This raises the question of how much bloodshed would there be before strategic re-evaluation.

The writer is an independent strategic and political analyst.

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I wounder how cleverly she painted Aqeel's past connection with army as he is still taking instructions from top brass. I think Jana has said correctly She has just one wave length and that is anti-Army.
Sources even claim that the LJ’s Malik Ishaq was involved in the earlier case and had decided to use the attack to get himself freed after the elected Punjab government failed to deliver on a mutual agreement between LJ and the PML-N leadership.

Wow! Now she exactly know how a man in prison planned and executed a terror attack on Sri Lankan cricket team bus? What mutual agreement between LJ and PML-N leadership has? To me it is a statement just to endorse what Mush said about Nawaz that he is more Taliban then Taliban...whereas it is known fact that Taliban got nurtured in two eras... First in 1994-96 (BB in power in Pakistan) and post 9/11 (Mush was in power in Pakistan). Both are more Western and Moderate but doing exactly opposite. I am not defending Nawaz here but it is just matter of fact.

We do have a problem in South Punjab and I do believe that it must be taken care of. But I don't agree that police has been called off from these areas to protect Terrorists as today some 4 terrorists were arrested from same area, 16 from Kashmoor (while going from Peshawar to Karachi) and 38 in Karachi.

According to latest report presented by Rangers, Only 4 out of 1200 Madrasha in South Punjab are involved in suspected activities with regard to terrorism even i was wondered by this news as i was of view this number would be much higher than 4, may be around 50-60. It means situation is not that bad as writer tried to pretend.

As far as old links are concerned. I think both Jihadis of 1980s and officers are no longer relevant. On a tactical level I just have a small question to writer If connections are old one then why tactics are too different... Suicide bombing.
 
Fact is Pak population is 160million if they rise except Allah there isnt any thing stoping them from taking over .. we have to look at fundamental problem is what stopping them and that my friend is the fundamental issues and conspiracies look around you for a minute from middleast to far east what is happning muslims are being humilated and the capitalist powers are not willing to resolve , accept it or not but the reality is Pakistanis are emotional and they just cant accept the fact that our muslim brothers and sisters in kashmir are occupied since last 60years and the so called super powers havent done a thing and this is the root cause!

Ok and how you think Army was using this Ummah thing after defeating Russia in Afghanistan? There was no foreign army there. What you are saying can be one problem. Existance of Pakistan and its defense against India alone is enough for army to sell to Pakistani masses. Army don't have any need to do that. This hoopla of "strategic depth" is a result of misunderstanding. Just find what the person who invent this idea has to say about this strategic depth issue. Don't get trapped by Indian and Intl' media stories published with some vested interests.
 
"Until US stop meddling into Pakistani affairs through constant support of dictators (Ayub, Zia, Musharraf all enjoyed excellent personal relations with US)"

We'll talk with any leader with whom we must in our nat'l interests-regardless of whether we agree in full or not. More to the point, the here and now demands today that Zardari's gov't be given every opportunity to legitimately fail or succeed in the eyes of your citizens and then be confirmed by your voters at the polls.

So much of this depends upon responsible citizens demanding good candidates and the ability for all to access the political system to avoid cronyism and nepotism. How else can bright and capable people emerge? That, too, must be protected.

Virtually all democratic institutions have had to fight these wars. Machine politics is very dangerous. Here in America we've the local politics of Tammany Hall in NYC and the Daley machine in Chicago that remain notable examples. Further, there can be no question that both the Kennedy and Bush families have benefited from a legacy of deep pockets and active political engagement. There's little that can be done about that and it's not always a bad thing but access, even here, favors some more than others.

Still, you'll know that you're on your way when modest candidates from outside the usual pathways begin to emerge.

Always exciting stuff to me because it's the essance of representative democracy...

Thanks.:usflag:
 
Ok and how you think Army was using this Ummah thing after defeating Russia in Afghanistan? There was no foreign army there. What you are saying can be one problem.

Very simply and its commonly known the jews (israelis ) and crusaders are the existing selling tools dont u read posts on this forum or listen to Zaid Hamid!?



Existance of Pakistan and its defense against India alone is enough for army to sell to Pakistani masses. Army don't have any need to do that. This hoopla of "strategic depth" is a result of misunderstanding. Just find what the person who invent this idea has to say about this strategic depth issue. Don't get trapped by Indian and Intl' media stories published with some vested interests.[/QUOTE

Well thats what was my point to S2 Kashmir and the Indian threat is what army has been selling to pakistanis from all these years ,and we wil buy that unless this threat is nuterilised once in for all.
 
"Until US stop meddling into Pakistani affairs through constant support of dictators (Ayub, Zia, Musharraf all enjoyed excellent personal relations with US)"

We'll talk with any leader with whom we must in our nat'l interests-regardless of whether we agree in full or not. More to the point, the here and now demands today that Zardari's gov't be given every opportunity to legitimately fail or succeed in the eyes of your citizens and then be confirmed by your voters at the polls.

So much of this depends upon responsible citizens demanding good candidates and the ability for all to access the political system to avoid cronyism and nepotism. How else can bright and capable people emerge? That, too, must be protected.

Virtually all democratic institutions have had to fight these wars. Machine politics is very dangerous. Here in America we've the local politics of Tammany Hall in NYC and the Daley machine in Chicago that remain notable examples. Further, there can be no question that both the Kennedy and Bush families have benefited from a legacy of deep pockets and active political engagement. There's little that can be done about that and it's not always a bad thing but access, even here, favors some more than others.

Still, you'll know that you're on your way when modest candidates from outside the usual pathways begin to emerge.

Always exciting stuff to me because it's the essance of representative democracy...

Thanks.:usflag:

This is exactly why US is so unpopular with Pakistani masses Meddling by putting every high moral of democracy aside just to protect own interests and start bulling when your interests start to conflict with our owns. Now let me tell you, Free and independent democracy is last thing US will ever desire to see in any Muslim country, Us can't afford to have another Iran in the world where Government and people are usually remain on same page when it comes to national interests.

In Pakistan, thanks to US interventions, people and rulers always remain apart on most of the issues and most of the time governments never knew the real issues to common people meanwhile same governments keep on doing everything US demands just to save theirself. (Mush accepted US demands after 9/11 to get legitemacy and much needed int'l political support, Zardari accepted US backed NRO to serve interests of US in Pak i.e. toppling ISI etc. )
 
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"Us can't afford to have another Iran in the world where Government and people are usually remain on same page when it comes to national interests."

Uh huh...:lol:

Iran, eh?

You're such a CAREFUL observer of events, I see.

I bow to your wisdom, sir.:agree:
 
"Us can't afford to have another Iran in the world where Government and people are usually remain on same page when it comes to national interests."

Uh huh...:lol:

Iran, eh?

You're such a CAREFUL observer of events, I see.

I bow to your wisdom, sir.:agree:

Thanks (Even if it is in sarcastic sense)

Why US keep on supporting all ME governments where there is no democracy insight? Any thoughts,

You know how masses feel about US (due to its blind support to Israel) in Muslim countries particularly after invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Very simply and its commonly known the jews (israelis ) and crusaders are the existing selling tools dont u read posts on this forum or listen to Zaid Hamid!? [\Quote]
So you are admitting that you have run out of ideas and arguments and now looking ways to derail this threat. Come on man answer my question:How Pak Army "SELLING" Jihad in Afghanistan after defeat of Russians there?


Well thats what was my point to S2 Kashmir and the Indian threat is what army has been selling to pakistanis from all these years ,and we wil buy that unless this threat is nuterilised once in for all.

And if you are think that after solving Kashmir will bring peace here no sir jee.... there are people with Akhand Bahart in mind... BTW forget Kashmir next war is coming on water which is much more eagerly you will "BUY"... :agree:
 
If only you used your brain instead of relying on Zaid Hamid's verbal diarrhea.
You can only wish that. From my his postings you see, he is still waiting for the FINAL SOLUTION i.e. termination of kafirs, I suppose. But ofcourse, he believes he is a peaceful person.

This is what I am finding. Very few Pakistanis dare to comment when some one posts outrageously stupid posts. They pass it on and then vocal minority thinks Zaid Hamid's and its like are popular. You guys did watch what happened at GHQ. The same Taliban nurtured by Pakistan is biting them and some in here are talking of "final solution".

I feel like Bible, Koran or other holy book is most dangerous one because some in here will manifest "final solution" eventhough nobody really wanted it.
 
If only you used your brain instead of relying on Zaid Hamid's verbal diarrhea.

I think he was being sarcastic.

This is exactly why US is so unpopular with Pakistani masses Meddling by putting every high moral of democracy aside just to protect own interests and start bulling when your interests start to conflict with our owns.

There is no point getting mad at the US; their government gets elected to represent American interests, not Pakistani interests, and they are only doing their job. The problem isn't that the Americans are protecting their interests, it is that Pakistani politicians are not protecting ours.

Maybe next time the Pakistani public should look at all candidates instead of voting for someone just because their last name is Bhutto (Zardari) or Sharif.
 
Very simply and its commonly known the jews (israelis ) and crusaders are the existing selling tools dont u read posts on this forum or listen to Zaid Hamid!? [\Quote]
So you are admitting that you have run out of ideas and arguments and now looking ways to derail this threat. Come on man answer my question:How Pak Army "SELLING" Jihad in Afghanistan after defeat of Russians there?

Madarsas ..!?


And if you are think that after solving Kashmir will bring peace here no sir jee.... there are people with Akhand Bahart in mind... BTW forget Kashmir next war is coming on water which is much more eagerly you will "BUY"... :agree:

If an indivisual or a small group or tatoo enemy indivisuals are halucinating about some thing this doesnt mean that a 160mil people have to suffer from it even after water there will be another melodrama.
 
Dear S-2:
“”There is no convenient option to testify before civil leaders-at least not elsewhere. It is law, often predictable by both schedule and need, and entails the full subordination of your military to a HIGHER power.””
You are Absolutely right! Army must subscribe to a democratically elected higher power. In a transparent democratic setup Army is subservient to the political leadership.

But you know very well that the Zardari government was propped up as a result of deal orchestrated with US administration, with Zalmay Khalilzad as the proponent. Proven cases of embezzlement and stealing were “forgiven” through Musharraf’s NRO to let the Royal couple into the helm of affairs. After Musharraf lost his ability to deliver, your government hired these thieves to run your show!.

Your Babrek Karmel model 2003 Mr. Hamid Karzai too suffers the same issue of legitimacy.
 
"Proven cases of embezzlement and stealing were “forgiven” through Musharraf’s NRO to let the Royal couple into the helm of affairs."

And who affirmed this by vote?
 
"Proven cases of embezzlement and stealing were “forgiven” through Musharraf’s NRO to let the Royal couple into the helm of affairs."

And who affirmed this by vote?

executive order
 
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