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dont let your jealousy blind you like incapable indians

we have successfully tested running the project 6 or 7 years ago, being the first country to have this accomplishment and now another 7 years to start industrialized construction and then launching phase I in 2016 - 13 years from now. Plenty of time and a project well done and well planned!

What jealousy? I'm saying that it just seems like they're rushing things. If they can accomplish it without any hick ups, then they should be given a planet of their own to live on and start a colony, but I just can't see them do this flawlessly in such a short amount of time, and yes this is a short amount of time.
 
I do not doubt the Chinese potential , but I doubt if the technology for controlling fusion is there .

This was reported @ post #12, 6~7 years ago and I think our scientists has been keeping the tightest check and making any adjustments:

Scientists told the newspaper a successful test will mean the world's first nuclear fusion device of its kind will be ready to go into actual operation, the newspaper said.

The plasma discharge will draw international attention since some scientists are concerned with risks involved in such a process. But Chinese researchers involved in the project say any radiation will cease once the test is completed.

The experiment will take place in a structure made of reinforced concrete, with five-foot-thick walls and a three-foot-thick roof.

What jealousy? I'm saying that it just seems like they're rushing things. If they can accomplish it without any hick ups, then they should be given a planet of their own to live on and start a colony, but I just can't see them do this flawlessly in such a short amount of time, and yes this is a short amount of time.

only the incapable will neglect potential flaws and neglect to build in a cushion for the unexpected events
you have your doubt regardless. The "rough schedule" is there based on our virtual experience!
 
Don't Mind,even China is involved ITER project,which is an international collaboration.but Chinese project seems too fast,even for ITER.isn't something fishy here??

Fishy just becaise China is ahead of the rest of the pack?:azn:

Now that China has both the financial means and the human resources(which she never lacked even in the darkest time of her history),she will lead the world in so many fields in time that you won't be able to keep counts。:omghaha:
 
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^^ sounds promising. It may be the answer for all future energy needs!!
 
Sounds fishy, do you have a link to the source?

Here is a more detailed explanation:

China to Complete World's 1st Artificial Sun

It was learned from the Hefei Institutes of Physical Science of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) that it will have completed the Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak (EAST) which aims to explore infinite and clean energy resources of nuclear fusion by this March or April.

By then, Hefei will become the first institute in the world to have built an all-superconducting non-circular section nuclear fusion experiment facility, which is generally known as an artificial sun.

The energy resource crisis has begun to threaten the world, as oil, coal and other types of non-renewable energy resources will be used up in a century. Scientists recommend the extraction of deuterium from sea water and the ignition of nuclear fusion of this element in temperatures as high as 100 million degrees Celsius. In nuclear fusion, deuterium abstracted from one kilogram of sea water will be able to produce as much energy as that of 300 liters of gasoline.

Invention of a facility that can withstand the temperature of 100 million degrees Celsius and control deuterium and atomic fusion to ensure steady and continuous energy output equals to invention of an artificial sun, which can provide infinite and clean energy like the sun, as sea water is virtually inexhaustible.

In 1990, the CAS Institute of Plasma Physics built China's first superconducting tokamak equipment HT-7, making China the fourth country in the world to have such equipment after Russia, France and Japan. In 2000, scientists at this institute began to build a new-generation all-superconducting non-circular section tokamak equipment on the basis of HT-7 and gave it the new name EAST.

As an upgraded product of HT-7, EAST brings China into the globally leading group in nuclear fusion research. It is also a key project of China's ninth five-year-plan. EAST started overall assembly in 2003.

(Chinanews January 19, 2006)

source: China to Complete World's 1st Artificial Sun
 
Here is another link about a similar nuclear fusion reactor:


One giant leap for mankind: £13bn Iter project makes breakthrough in the quest for nuclear fusion, a solution to climate change and an age of clean, cheap energy

It may be the most ambitious scientific venture ever: a global collaboration to create an unlimited supply of clean, cheap energy. And this week it took a crucial step forward. Steve Connor reports


An idyllic hilltop setting in the Cadarache forest of Provence in the south of France has become the site of an ambitious attempt to harness the nuclear power of the sun and stars.

It is the place where 34 nations representing more than half the world’s population have joined forces in the biggest scientific collaboration on the planet – only the International Space Station is bigger.

The international nuclear fusion project – known as Iter, meaning “the way” in Latin – is designed to demonstrate a new kind of nuclear reactor capable of producing unlimited supplies of cheap, clean, safe and sustainable electricity from atomic fusion.

If Iter demonstrates that it is possible to build commercially-viable fusion reactors then it could become the experiment that saved the world in a century threatened by climate change and an expected three-fold increase in global energy demand.

This week the project gained final approval for the design of the most technically challenging component – the fusion reactor’s “blanket” that will handle the super-heated nuclear fuel.

The building site in Cadarache has also passed the crucial stage where some 493 seismic bearings – giant concrete and rubber plinths – have been set into the reactor’s deep foundations to protect against possible earthquakes.

Peering over the edge of the huge seismic isolation pit, it is still possible to see some of these bearings before they are covered with a raft of reinforced concrete that will support the massive fusion machine at the heart of the £13bn Iter project.

Click here to see how the Iter Project could produce clean energy

Over the next few years about a million individual components of the highly complex fusion reactor will arrive at the Cadarache site from around the world. They will be assembled like a giant Lego model in a nearby building which has a volume equal to 81 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

Nothing is left to chance in a project that has defied potential Babel-like misunderstandings between the collaborating nations. The design, development and construction of a machine that will attempt to emulate the nuclear fusion reactions of the Sun is proving to be a triumph of diplomacy, as well as science and engineering.

“It is the largest scientific collaboration in the world. In fact, the project is so complex we even had to invent our own currency – known as the Iter Unit of Account – to decide how each country pays its share,” says Carlos Alejaldre, Iter’s deputy director responsible for safety.

“We’ve passed from the design stage to being a construction project. We will have to show it is safe. If we cannot convince the public that this is safe, I don’t think nuclear fusion will be developed anywhere in the world,” Dr Alejaldre said.

“A Fukushima-like accident is impossible at Iter because the fusion reaction is fundamentally safe. Any disturbance from ideal conditions and the reaction will stop. A runaway nuclear reaction and a core meltdown are simply not possible,” he said.

Conventional nuclear power produces energy by atomic fission – the splitting of the heavy atoms of uranium fuel. This experimental reactor attempts to fuse together the light atoms of hydrogen isotopes and, in the process, to liberate virtually unlimited supplies of clean, safe and sustainable energy.

Nuclear fusion has been a dream since the start of the atomic age. Unlike conventional nuclear-fission power plants, fusion reactors do not produce high-level radioactive waste, cannot be used for military purposes and essentially burn non-toxic fuel derived from water.

Many energy experts believe that nuclear fusion is the only serious, environmentally-friendly way of reliably producing “base-load” electricity 24/7. It is, they argue, the only way of generating industrial-scale quantities of electricity night and day without relying on carbon-intensive fossil fuels or dangerous and dirty conventional nuclear power.

However, the daunting complexity of the Iter project is demonstrated by how long it has taken to reach this early stage of construction – and how much further it still has to go. There is at least another decade of building work and a further decade of testing before the reactor will be allowed to “go nuclear”.

“Every single stage is inspected. Even the specially-prepared concrete cannot be mixed unless a nuclear safety inspector is present. If anything goes wrong with Iter, fusion will be dead,” said a spokesperson for the project.

The roots of the Iter project go back to 1985 when Mikhail Gorbachev, General Secretary of the former Soviet Union, offered his country’s prowess in nuclear fusion as a bargaining chip in the nuclear disarmament talks with the US, which at that time was pursuing its “Stars Wars” defence system.

Gorbachev and President Reagan, with the support of Margaret Thatcher and French President François Mitterand, signed an agreement to cooperate on nuclear fusion using the Russian “tokamak” reactor. This was a revolutionary device that could hold the super-hot fusion fuel by creating a “magnetic bottle” within the reactor’s doughnut-shaped vacuum vessel.

Several experimental tokamak reactors around the world, including one at the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy in Oxfordshire, have shown nuclear fusion is theoretically possible, but the giant tokamak at Iter will be the first to generate more power than it needs to attain the very high temperatures required for nuclear fusion.

The Iter tokamak machine, which is twice the linear size and 10 times the volume of its nearest rival at Culham, will produce temperatures of well over 100 million C – many times hotter than the centre of the Sun.

It is the first experimental fusion reactor to receive a nuclear operating licence because of its power-generating capacity. For every 50 megawatts of electricity it uses, it should generate up to 500mw of power output in the form of heat.

Richard Pitts, a British nuclear physicist working on the project, said that even though Iter has a nuclear operator’s licence and will produce about 10 times as much power as it consumes, the Iter machine will still remain a purely experimental reactor, with no electricity generated for the French national grid. “We’re not building a demonstration industrial reactor. We’re building the first step towards one that does produce electricity for the grid. If we can show that fusion works, a demonstration reactor will be much cheaper to build than Iter,” Dr Pitts said.

A critical phase of the project will be the injection of plasma – the superhot, electrically-charged gases of the atomic fuel – into the reactor’s vacuum chamber. This plasma, a mix of the hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium, will drive the nuclear-fusion reaction.

The plasma will be heated to temperatures as high as 300 million C to force the atomic nuclei close enough together to cause them to fuse into helium, a harmless and inert waste product that could be recycled as an important industrial raw material. Giant electromagnets powerful enough to trap an aircraft carrier will contain the plasma within a spinning vortex held by the magnetic bottle of the tokamak reactor.

The original date for “first plasma” was scheduled for November 2020 but delays with the construction and commissioning phases have pushed this back to October 2022 – although some of that lost time has since been clawed back. One of the electromagnetic coils used in the giant magnets, for instance, had to be scrapped after a worker in one of the participating countries left a towel on one of the superconducting cables which then became compressed within a coil. Costly mishaps like this put the entire project behind schedule.

Rem Haange, deputy director-general of the Iter project, said that despite the delays, which are perhaps inevitable with such a huge and complex engineering project, no further problems are envisaged that could threaten the viability of the Iter project. “There are no technical issues any more that will be show-stoppers. We think we’ve overcome all the technical issues,” Dr Haange said.

Although the foundations for the main reactor building are still being laid, there has been a lot of development work off-site in the different member nations – the EU, Russia, US, China, Japan, India and South Korea. More than 90 per cent of the Iter machine’s engineering components, for instance, have now been commissioned.

These components, some the size of small houses, will be shipped by road and sea to Cadarache in the coming years, and the task of putting them together into a working machine will be formidable. Iter will have enough superconducting cabling, for instance, to wrap around the Earth 15 times.

“There are a million parts to the Iter machine and this will be the most complex and technically challenging assembly task. The tokamak reactor is 30 metres tall and consists of 18 toroidal magnetic coils weighing hundreds of tons that will each have to be positioned with a precision of less than two millimetres,” said Brain Machlin, head of Iter’s assembly operation.

As the components of the tokamak arrive in the coming years, Iter engineers will be holding their breaths to make sure the parts fit together perfectly. But even if “first plasma” happens within the next 10 years, it will still be another five years or more before they have the confidence to put radioactive tritium fuel into the vacuum vessel – and go nuclear.

Even if everything goes to plan, the first demonstration power plant using nuclear fusion will not be ready until at least the 2030s, meaning commercial reactors could not realistically be built until the second half of the century.

The long timescales mean nuclear fusion does not often get on the political agenda, unless superpower summitry is involve as it was at the height of the Cold War in 1985. But in the end, the long wait for nuclear fusion, and the experiment to save the world, may prove to be well worth the effort.

Timeline: Chain reaction

1929: Scientists use Einstein’s equation E=mc² to predict release of large amounts of energy by fusing atomic nuclei together.

1939: German-born physicist Hans Bethe, pictured, demonstrates that nuclear fusion powers stars.

1950: Andrei Sakharov and Igor Tamm in the USSR propose a “tokamak” fusion reactor.

1956: Tokamak programme begins in strict secrecy.

1969: Tokamak results declassified, astounding Western scientists.

1973: Design work begins on Joint European Torus (Jet), a tokamak-type reactor in Europe.

1983: Jet completed at Culham, Oxfordshire, on time and to budget.

1985: USSR proposes an international fusion-energy project.

1988: Design work begins for International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, later known as simply Iter. 1992: Design phase begins for Iter.

1997: Jet produces 16 megawatts of fusion power, the current world record.

2005: Cadarache, France, chosen as Iter site.

2021-22: “First plasma” scheduled, when ionised gases will be injected into the Iter tokamak.

2027-28: Iter “goes nuclear” with injection of tritium.

2030s: First demonstration fusion reactor to produce electricity for grid.

2050s onwards: First commercial nuclear fusion power plants.

source: One giant leap for mankind: £13bn Iter project makes breakthrough in the quest for nuclear fusion, a solution to climate change and an age of clean, cheap energy - Science - News - The Independent
@cirr

Tests show 'artificial sun' is reliable
Jan 15, 2007

A series of tests run by Chinese scientists on an experimental thermonuclear reactor have found "the artificial sun" is a reliable energy generating process.

Designed to replicate the sun's energy generating process, the Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak fusion reactor recently garnered positive results in tests being conducting at China's Institute of Plasma Physics, the Chinese news agency Xinhua reported.

"The new tests show the reactor is very reliable, and we can repeat the experiments," institute official Wu Songtao said.

With tests set to continue until Feb. 10, the experiments will reveal exactly how far the project is from its final goal of creating plasma that can last for 1,000 seconds while giving off its own energy.

While many have disputed the project's ability to create such an energy source, Xinhua said many scientists maintain such a fusion reactor could lesson China's energy crisis by providing cleaner endless energy at a significantly lower cost.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International
 
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Fishy just becaise China is ahead of the rest of the pack?:azn:

Now that China has both the financial means and the human resources(which she never lacked even in the darkest time of her history),she will lead the world in so many fields in time that you won't be able to keep counts。:omghaha:

Funny..China is wasting millions of dollars by donating it to ITER then when they already ahead of other countries..but actually what CFETR(China Fusion Engineering Test Reactor) is that it is a design for an intermediate step between ITER and DEMO,just like what Korea is announced they will build,i.e. K-DEMO..so,as it is the next step of ITER,how come it will produce power before ITER itself do???what you are missing is that all these projects aren't running parallelly,it all came under the roadmap of EFDA and other collaborator countries..and CFETR will not generate electricity for commercially either.everything will be generated by DEMO..

Here is another link about a similar nuclear fusion reactor:


One giant leap for mankind: £13bn Iter project makes breakthrough in the quest for nuclear fusion, a solution to climate change and an age of clean, cheap energy

It may be the most ambitious scientific venture ever: a global collaboration to create an unlimited supply of clean, cheap energy. And this week it took a crucial step forward. Steve Connor reports


An idyllic hilltop setting in the Cadarache forest of Provence in the south of France has become the site of an ambitious attempt to harness the nuclear power of the sun and stars.

It is the place where 34 nations representing more than half the world’s population have joined forces in the biggest scientific collaboration on the planet – only the International Space Station is bigger.

The international nuclear fusion project – known as Iter, meaning “the way” in Latin – is designed to demonstrate a new kind of nuclear reactor capable of producing unlimited supplies of cheap, clean, safe and sustainable electricity from atomic fusion.

If Iter demonstrates that it is possible to build commercially-viable fusion reactors then it could become the experiment that saved the world in a century threatened by climate change and an expected three-fold increase in global energy demand.

This week the project gained final approval for the design of the most technically challenging component – the fusion reactor’s “blanket” that will handle the super-heated nuclear fuel.

The building site in Cadarache has also passed the crucial stage where some 493 seismic bearings – giant concrete and rubber plinths – have been set into the reactor’s deep foundations to protect against possible earthquakes.

Peering over the edge of the huge seismic isolation pit, it is still possible to see some of these bearings before they are covered with a raft of reinforced concrete that will support the massive fusion machine at the heart of the £13bn Iter project.

Click here to see how the Iter Project could produce clean energy

Over the next few years about a million individual components of the highly complex fusion reactor will arrive at the Cadarache site from around the world. They will be assembled like a giant Lego model in a nearby building which has a volume equal to 81 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

Nothing is left to chance in a project that has defied potential Babel-like misunderstandings between the collaborating nations. The design, development and construction of a machine that will attempt to emulate the nuclear fusion reactions of the Sun is proving to be a triumph of diplomacy, as well as science and engineering.

“It is the largest scientific collaboration in the world. In fact, the project is so complex we even had to invent our own currency – known as the Iter Unit of Account – to decide how each country pays its share,” says Carlos Alejaldre, Iter’s deputy director responsible for safety.

“We’ve passed from the design stage to being a construction project. We will have to show it is safe. If we cannot convince the public that this is safe, I don’t think nuclear fusion will be developed anywhere in the world,” Dr Alejaldre said.

“A Fukushima-like accident is impossible at Iter because the fusion reaction is fundamentally safe. Any disturbance from ideal conditions and the reaction will stop. A runaway nuclear reaction and a core meltdown are simply not possible,” he said.

Conventional nuclear power produces energy by atomic fission – the splitting of the heavy atoms of uranium fuel. This experimental reactor attempts to fuse together the light atoms of hydrogen isotopes and, in the process, to liberate virtually unlimited supplies of clean, safe and sustainable energy.

Nuclear fusion has been a dream since the start of the atomic age. Unlike conventional nuclear-fission power plants, fusion reactors do not produce high-level radioactive waste, cannot be used for military purposes and essentially burn non-toxic fuel derived from water.

Many energy experts believe that nuclear fusion is the only serious, environmentally-friendly way of reliably producing “base-load” electricity 24/7. It is, they argue, the only way of generating industrial-scale quantities of electricity night and day without relying on carbon-intensive fossil fuels or dangerous and dirty conventional nuclear power.

However, the daunting complexity of the Iter project is demonstrated by how long it has taken to reach this early stage of construction – and how much further it still has to go. There is at least another decade of building work and a further decade of testing before the reactor will be allowed to “go nuclear”.

“Every single stage is inspected. Even the specially-prepared concrete cannot be mixed unless a nuclear safety inspector is present. If anything goes wrong with Iter, fusion will be dead,” said a spokesperson for the project.

The roots of the Iter project go back to 1985 when Mikhail Gorbachev, General Secretary of the former Soviet Union, offered his country’s prowess in nuclear fusion as a bargaining chip in the nuclear disarmament talks with the US, which at that time was pursuing its “Stars Wars” defence system.

Gorbachev and President Reagan, with the support of Margaret Thatcher and French President François Mitterand, signed an agreement to cooperate on nuclear fusion using the Russian “tokamak” reactor. This was a revolutionary device that could hold the super-hot fusion fuel by creating a “magnetic bottle” within the reactor’s doughnut-shaped vacuum vessel.

Several experimental tokamak reactors around the world, including one at the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy in Oxfordshire, have shown nuclear fusion is theoretically possible, but the giant tokamak at Iter will be the first to generate more power than it needs to attain the very high temperatures required for nuclear fusion.

The Iter tokamak machine, which is twice the linear size and 10 times the volume of its nearest rival at Culham, will produce temperatures of well over 100 million C – many times hotter than the centre of the Sun.

It is the first experimental fusion reactor to receive a nuclear operating licence because of its power-generating capacity. For every 50 megawatts of electricity it uses, it should generate up to 500mw of power output in the form of heat.

Richard Pitts, a British nuclear physicist working on the project, said that even though Iter has a nuclear operator’s licence and will produce about 10 times as much power as it consumes, the Iter machine will still remain a purely experimental reactor, with no electricity generated for the French national grid. “We’re not building a demonstration industrial reactor. We’re building the first step towards one that does produce electricity for the grid. If we can show that fusion works, a demonstration reactor will be much cheaper to build than Iter,” Dr Pitts said.

A critical phase of the project will be the injection of plasma – the superhot, electrically-charged gases of the atomic fuel – into the reactor’s vacuum chamber. This plasma, a mix of the hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium, will drive the nuclear-fusion reaction.

The plasma will be heated to temperatures as high as 300 million C to force the atomic nuclei close enough together to cause them to fuse into helium, a harmless and inert waste product that could be recycled as an important industrial raw material. Giant electromagnets powerful enough to trap an aircraft carrier will contain the plasma within a spinning vortex held by the magnetic bottle of the tokamak reactor.

The original date for “first plasma” was scheduled for November 2020 but delays with the construction and commissioning phases have pushed this back to October 2022 – although some of that lost time has since been clawed back. One of the electromagnetic coils used in the giant magnets, for instance, had to be scrapped after a worker in one of the participating countries left a towel on one of the superconducting cables which then became compressed within a coil. Costly mishaps like this put the entire project behind schedule.

Rem Haange, deputy director-general of the Iter project, said that despite the delays, which are perhaps inevitable with such a huge and complex engineering project, no further problems are envisaged that could threaten the viability of the Iter project. “There are no technical issues any more that will be show-stoppers. We think we’ve overcome all the technical issues,” Dr Haange said.

Although the foundations for the main reactor building are still being laid, there has been a lot of development work off-site in the different member nations – the EU, Russia, US, China, Japan, India and South Korea. More than 90 per cent of the Iter machine’s engineering components, for instance, have now been commissioned.

These components, some the size of small houses, will be shipped by road and sea to Cadarache in the coming years, and the task of putting them together into a working machine will be formidable. Iter will have enough superconducting cabling, for instance, to wrap around the Earth 15 times.

“There are a million parts to the Iter machine and this will be the most complex and technically challenging assembly task. The tokamak reactor is 30 metres tall and consists of 18 toroidal magnetic coils weighing hundreds of tons that will each have to be positioned with a precision of less than two millimetres,” said Brain Machlin, head of Iter’s assembly operation.

As the components of the tokamak arrive in the coming years, Iter engineers will be holding their breaths to make sure the parts fit together perfectly. But even if “first plasma” happens within the next 10 years, it will still be another five years or more before they have the confidence to put radioactive tritium fuel into the vacuum vessel – and go nuclear.

Even if everything goes to plan, the first demonstration power plant using nuclear fusion will not be ready until at least the 2030s, meaning commercial reactors could not realistically be built until the second half of the century.

The long timescales mean nuclear fusion does not often get on the political agenda, unless superpower summitry is involve as it was at the height of the Cold War in 1985. But in the end, the long wait for nuclear fusion, and the experiment to save the world, may prove to be well worth the effort.

Timeline: Chain reaction

1929: Scientists use Einstein’s equation E=mc² to predict release of large amounts of energy by fusing atomic nuclei together.

1939: German-born physicist Hans Bethe, pictured, demonstrates that nuclear fusion powers stars.

1950: Andrei Sakharov and Igor Tamm in the USSR propose a “tokamak” fusion reactor.

1956: Tokamak programme begins in strict secrecy.

1969: Tokamak results declassified, astounding Western scientists.

1973: Design work begins on Joint European Torus (Jet), a tokamak-type reactor in Europe.

1983: Jet completed at Culham, Oxfordshire, on time and to budget.

1985: USSR proposes an international fusion-energy project.

1988: Design work begins for International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, later known as simply Iter. 1992: Design phase begins for Iter.

1997: Jet produces 16 megawatts of fusion power, the current world record.

2005: Cadarache, France, chosen as Iter site.

2021-22: “First plasma” scheduled, when ionised gases will be injected into the Iter tokamak.

2027-28: Iter “goes nuclear” with injection of tritium.

2030s: First demonstration fusion reactor to produce electricity for grid.

2050s onwards: First commercial nuclear fusion power plants.

source: One giant leap for mankind: £13bn Iter project makes breakthrough in the quest for nuclear fusion, a solution to climate change and an age of clean, cheap energy - Science - News - The Independent
@cirr

Tests show 'artificial sun' is reliable
Jan 15, 2007

A series of tests run by Chinese scientists on an experimental thermonuclear reactor have found "the artificial sun" is a reliable energy generating process.

Designed to replicate the sun's energy generating process, the Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak fusion reactor recently garnered positive results in tests being conducting at China's Institute of Plasma Physics, the Chinese news agency Xinhua reported.

"The new tests show the reactor is very reliable, and we can repeat the experiments," institute official Wu Songtao said.

With tests set to continue until Feb. 10, the experiments will reveal exactly how far the project is from its final goal of creating plasma that can last for 1,000 seconds while giving off its own energy.

While many have disputed the project's ability to create such an energy source, Xinhua said many scientists maintain such a fusion reactor could lesson China's energy crisis by providing cleaner endless energy at a significantly lower cost.

Copyright 2007 by United Press International

Buddy,most of the fusion reactors on which working is going on is the intermediate steps of ITER and DEMO..even this project is itself the next step of ITER,just like K-DEMO(developed by Korea)..there are other fusion reactors/devices too,like Wendelstein 7-X,National Ignition Facility,HiPER(part of NIF) and Mega Ampere Spherical Tokamak...
 
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What jealousy? I'm saying that it just seems like they're rushing things. If they can accomplish it without any hick ups, then they should be given a planet of their own to live on and start a colony, but I just can't see them do this flawlessly in such a short amount of time, and yes this is a short amount of time.

don't listen to the trolls,I've explained it in my post #23..hope it'll clear your doubt.:tup:
 
This was reported @ post #12, 6~7 years ago and I think our scientists has been keeping the tightest check and making any adjustments:





only the incapable will neglect potential flaws and neglect to build in a cushion for the unexpected events
you have your doubt regardless. The "rough schedule" is there based on our virtual experience!

Right, good luck.
 
Funny..China is wasting millions of dollars by donating it to ITER then when they already ahead of other countries..but actually what CFETR(China Fusion Engineering Test Reactor) is that it is a design for an intermediate step between ITER and DEMO,just like what Korea is announced they will build,i.e. K-DEMO..so,as it is the next step of ITER,how come it will produce power before ITER itself do???what you are missing is that all these projects aren't running parallelly,it all came under the roadmap of EFDA and other collaborator countries..and CFETR will not generate electricity for commercially either.everything will be generated by DEMO..

you are just naive and jealous to the core

in the world's genome mapping, China has also sent a team of experts for the project but we are also doing our own jobs. Our genome sequencing scientists are the among the best in the world.

Buddy,most of the fusion reactors on which working is going on is the intermediate steps of ITER and DEMO..even this project is itself the next step of ITER,just like K-DEMO(developed by Korea)..there are other fusion reactors/devices too,like Wendelstein 7-X,National Ignition Facility,HiPER(part of NIF) and Mega Ampere Spherical Tokamak...

why dont you write an article to physorg and some other reputable science mags to expose the fraud in our claim?
 
you are just naive and jealous to the core

in the world's genome mapping, China has also sent a team of experts for the project but we are also doing our own jobs. Our genome sequencing scientists are the among the best in the world.



why dont you write an article to physorg and some other reputable science mags to expose the fraud in our claim?


please dude..drop the same old tactics to abuse a member to win an argument and if you have proof,then submit it..the whole international media covers news on this.why don't you pick on and read where they shared info about this project and about ITER??stop posting false info.there is no denying the fact that China is ahead in many areas,but why do false claim to prove that??CFETR is just another project like K-DEMO,next step of ITER.so use your brain and you'll find the answer...


and FYI,its not China,but its Germany who is ahead in this project.Wendelstein 7-X will be operationalized in 2014-2015.it is equivalent to ITER project while its future economical version is expected to become operational late 2030s...

US joining the Wendelstein 7-X fusion project

apart from that,there are so many other projects on Fusion and Plasma Technology,some of them i've mentioned earlier.a simple search will provide all the info you need.

you're making fool of yourself..stop trolling and start reading..
 
please dude..drop the same old tactics to abuse a member to win an argument and if you have proof,then submit it..the whole international media covers news on this.why don't you pick on and read where they shared info about this project and about ITER??stop posting false info.there is no denying the fact that China is ahead in many areas,but why do false claim to prove that??CFETR is just another project like K-DEMO,next step of ITER.so use your brain and you'll find the answer...


and FYI,its not China,but its Germany who is ahead in this project.Wendelstein 7-X will be operationalized in 2014-2015.it is equivalent to ITER project while its future economical version is expected to become operational late 2030s...

US joining the Wendelstein 7-X fusion project

apart from that,there are so many other projects on Fusion and Plasma Technology,some of them i've mentioned earlier.a simple search will provide all the info you need.

you're making fool of yourself..stop trolling and start reading..

stop making a fool of yourself repeatedly to nullify China's achievement

Many of these reports are from foreign sources

stop using the tactics to smear dirt on China, troll!

If our claim is untrue, where is news from all your related orgs which should have spoken up to refute our claim!
 
stop making a fool of yourself repeatedly troll to nullify China's achievement

Many of these reports are from foreign sources

stop using the tactics to smear dirt on China

If our claim is untrue, where is news from all your related orgs which should stand up to refute our claim!

WTF???do you need Chinese newspaper to report about scientific experiment going on in Germany??what kind of noob logic is this???and you want the proof that the CFETR is next stage of ITER???there are ample proof..

read this and get educated..hope this will atleast make you understand the reality...


After ITER, Many Other Obstacles for Fusion Power


The body responsible for fusion research in Europe has published a road map to get it from ITER—a giant international reactor under construction in France which will be the first to produce useful amounts of energy—to an industry-ready prototype fusion power plant by 2050. Although the successful operation of ITER, still more than 6 years away, will be considered a major breakthrough for fusion energy, the new road map from the European Fusion Development Agreement (EFDA) includes a daunting list of the technical hurdles that fusion scientists and engineers still face over the next few decades.

Fusion reactors use the power source of the sun and stars—fusing together isotopes of hydrogen—to produce energy. To do this they must compress and heat a plasma of fusion fuel to prodigious temperatures, at least 150 million°C, using powerful magnets, radio waves, and particle beams. It takes so much energy to get a plasma up to a temperature at which fusion occurs that no reactor has yet produced net energy gain.

ITER is expected to break through that barrier and generate 500 megawatts from a 50 MW input for periods lasting a few minutes. But it will be only a scientific demonstration; ITER won't generate any electricity. That job will be left for its successor, the prototype power plant DEMO. Fusion researchers are just starting to think about designs for DEMO but it is looking increasingly likely that it won't be a global collaboration like ITER, whose members are China, the European Union, India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, and the United States.

Korea announced recently that it was beginning preliminary design work on a next-step reactor called K-DEMO. China is already working on a design for an intermediate step between ITER and DEMO called the China Fusion Engineering Test Reactor. And now EFDA has laid out its own path to DEMO. The agency doesn't preclude international collaboration but has designed the road map so that any research will fit within the confines of the E.U. fusion budget for 2014 to 2020, although that may have to be revised once the overall E.U. budget is agreed upon later this year.

The EFDA road map acknowledges that ITER is the key to progress toward fusion power and so all efforts should be made to ensure its success, including researching various operating scenarios on smaller existing reactors. The biggest unanswered question, the road map says, is how to remove heat exhaust from a future machine. ITER and other similar modern reactors, known as tokamaks, have a structure at the bottom known as a divertor which, among other things, removes spent fuel from the plasma vessel. As the only place in the vessel where the plasma deliberately touches a solid surface, it must also absorb a lot of heat. ITER's divertor is made of stainless steel and coated with tungsten. This should work in a research reactor which operates at lower power and for at most a few minutes at a time, but DEMO will generate several gigawatts of power continuously and that heat load may be too much for a standard diverter.

The road map says researchers must work on other designs as a backup. These could involve alternative shapes that spread out the area of contact to reduce the heat load or allow the plasma to radiate more heat before coming into contact with the diverter. Alternatives should be tested on an adapted existing tokamak or a purpose-built test facility, EFDA says.

Another big unknown is what material to use for the structure and lining of DEMO's plasma vessel and other plasma-facing components. Fusion produces high-energy neutrons and the bombardment from DEMO will be intense. The neutrons knock atoms in solids out of position, weakening them and making them radioactive. Research is needed to find materials that can stand up to decades of sustained neutron bombardment, but there is no existing neutron source intense enough to test them. A design for an accelerator-based neutron source is being developed as an adjunct to the ITER project, but EFDA thinks something is needed sooner.

EFDA also wants more work done on the so-called "tritium blanket," sections of the plasma vessel wall in which neutrons from the reactor convert lithium into tritium, one of the fusion fuels. Alternative blanket designs should be developed in case the one to be tested on ITER is not successful. The road map also calls for greater involvement from industry in preparations for DEMO, since it will have to take over fusion development once DEMO is complete, and for plasma theory and modeling to be strengthened.

As an ultimate backup plan, the road map advocates continuing research on stellarators, an alternative fusion reactor scheme that fell out of favor when tokamaks came on the scene in the late 1960s. Germany's Wendelstein 7-X stellarator, which is due to be finished next year, could provide the model for a later energy-producing version dubbed HELIAS.

After ITER, Many Other Obstacles for Fusion Power - ScienceInsider


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read this and get educated..hope this will atleast make you understand the reality...

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“there is no denying the fact about China's achievement,but why spread false news to "Glorify" its achievement which ultimately will deminish what China is achieving..members like you are actually diminishing China's achievements by trolling and spreading false claims..

what false news that we have spread to glorify our achievement when the headlines news quoted above are all from local and foreign source and you cant produce anything from the science world or from the sinophobic foreign media to refute our claim
 
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