US ambassador 'killed in Libya'

[gambit]

2 points of contention here

1. comparing Freedom of expression that someone may find distasteful with murdering someone is kind of too much of a stretch..

2. On your last paragraph, when western folks tell muslims that wearing a hijab or a veil may be fine in a Muslim country but is not ok in their culture, then that is not acceptable to most Muslims under the guise of personal freedom and what not.. But the same principle is discarded when that freedom is expected by a non Muslim in a Muslim country.. Why then demand something for Muslims which Muslims themselves are not willing to reciprocate with..

Because there is a much more subtle demand: That Islam and muslims MUST be granted legal exceptions at the expense of others.

 

[BATMAN]

How many muslims did muslims kill in Iran Iraq war, by the way ???

This does not automatically earn non muslims any license to kill millions of Muslims, in Kashmir, Gujrat, Hyderabad, Assam and now in Mayanmar.

 

[gambit]

What do you think these Salafists will do when they get their hands on Chinese books or films that they see as denouncing their religion? Will you blame yourself for resulting attacks on Chinese diplomats?

He will run away.

"If your freedom of speech has no limits, may you accept our freedom of action."

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/americ...out-prophet-muhammad-video.html#ixzz26GRIYf8h

No, we will not, and civilize people also will not. Words should be responded by words. If you cannot respond with words and only with actions, that says more about your maturity and about ours even if our words are offensively immature.

How come Islam is religion of peace
when it justify violence over a movie
when it prosecute a minor over burning of their holy book
when threats to life are issued over the sketch of Prophet

It is a peace FROM subjugation, not a peace OF persuasion.

 

[karan.1970]

This does not automatically earn non muslims any license to kill millions of Muslims, in Kashmir, Gujrat, Hyderabad, Assam and now in Mayanmar.

But certainly becomes a sign that you should stop the nonsense charade of playing the victim as if the world is conspiring against the Muslims.. Maximum number of Muslims in this world have been killed by Muslims only.. Whether its in Afghanistan, Pakistan or middle east..

 

[ajtr]

"If your freedom of speech has no limits, may you accept our freedom of action."

freedom of action has freedom of reaction too.Then there is freedom of uncontrolled chain reaction.

 

[idune]

Because people have freedom of speech in the USA.

This is not freedom of speech, this is another form of extremism using freedom of speech as an excuse and hiding behind super power big gun.

 

[xdrive]

I love when muslims scream "THIS IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

1. Muslims don't believe in freedom of speech, islam simply doesn't allow it.

2. Killing people and damaging property ISN'T freedom of speech.

 

[RazorMC]

Because there is a much more subtle demand: That Islam and muslims MUST be granted legal exceptions at the expense of others.

Whose expense? Yours? Certainly not, gambit.

Those attacks have been repeatedly condemned, esp. by PDF members, but you keep coming back to talk about perceived persecution and what-nots. Educate yourself. Muslims have been persecuted for ages and now the reaction's turned violent. Is this why you're worried?

Idiotic people are providing the perfect excuse to bigots under the guise of free-speech. Those soft-brained morons are making it really hard for people like me to talk about moderation in our lives.

If you're content in adding fuel to the fire, then go ahead. But don't complain about the moderate individuals and their silence on issues.

 

[Oldman1]

Marines headed to Libya to reinforce security - Yahoo! News

Marines headed to Libya to reinforce security

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. officials say some 50 Marines are being sent to Libya to reinforce security at U.S. diplomatic facilities in the aftermath of an attack in the eastern city of Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador and three American members of his staff.

The Marines are members of an elite group known as a Fleet Antiterrorism Security Team, whose role is to respond on short notice to terrorism threats and to reinforce security at U.S. embassies. They operate worldwide.

The officials who disclosed the plan to send the Marines spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

 

[United]

freedom of action has freedom of reaction too.Then there is freedom of uncontrolled chain reaction.

Anger is only a natural reaction; one of the mind's ways of reacting to things that it percieves to be wrong. While anger can sometimes lead people to do shocking things,it can also be an instinct to show people that something isn't right.

The catalyst for this reaction is hate towards Muslims and repeatedly doing it. remove the catalyst and all the reaction stops.

The excessive increase of anything causes a reaction in the opposite direction.

the worst part is the money for this film was donated!!!

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

It is a peace FROM subjugation, not a peace OF persuasion.

Isn't the 236 year history of America about subjugation rather its the Native Indians to the Iraqi's and Afghans. The Americans have been subjugating people with violence all over the world for 236 years. And if you compare the action of America and Islam i would say America has been far more violent. The question Americans often ask is is Islam a religion of peace ? But the question should also be ask is America and its people a nation and a people of peace ? And the clear answer is NO !

 

[Cloakedvessel]

But certainly becomes a sign that you should stop the nonsense charade of playing the victim as if the world is conspiring against the Muslims.. Maximum number of Muslims in this world have been killed by Muslims only.. Whether its in Afghanistan, Pakistan or middle east..

You're trying to reason with the unreasonable ones.

When the FIS/GIA and the Algerian army, both parties of the same faith, were killing Muslim civilians in the tens of thousands during the 90's, even slitting throats of young babies, there were no non-Muslims in sight.

When NATO stopped the Serbs from a total onslaught of Bosnian and Kosovo Muslims at two separate occasions and interventions, the same type of radicals who are rioting today, probably became temporarily schizophrenic.

May I remind you that the biggest Islamic country even opposed Western invention in Kosovo to save the Muslims from the Serbs?

Islamists defy all logic.

 

[gambit]

Whose expense? Yours? Certainly not, gambit.

Those attacks have been repeatedly condemned, esp. by PDF members, but you keep coming back to talk about perceived persecution and what-nots. Educate yourself. Muslims have been persecuted for ages and now the reaction's turned violent. Is this why you're worried?

Idiotic people are providing the perfect excuse to bigots under the guise of free-speech. Those soft-brained morons are making it really hard for people like me to talk about moderation in our lives.

If you're content in adding fuel to the fire, then go ahead. But don't complain about the moderate individuals and their silence on issues.

That is hilarious. I was in Egypt for Bright Star. I trained Saudi aviation technicians. I was in Turkey for various exercises with the Turkish Air Force. Correct me if I am wrong but are these not muslim dominated countries?

Muslims have their own countries, controls a large chunk of the world's oil, finance the expansion of their religion, but they are 'persecuted'...

 

[Zabaniyah]

Democracy works fine in these muslim nations.......hence why is it that Arabs cant be democratic....what seperates them ?

All systems have its own fault and advantages...hence no use talking about democracy and humanity...............democracy is the best we have to work with...all we can do is make it work

The trademark of a 'democratic' society is tolerance for diverse and even offensive speech -- with extremely few exceptions -- without resorting to violence. If there are those few exceptions, if there are violations of them, then those violations must be addressed by the government, not by mob justice. The ME have a long way to go towards democratic maturity.

^^^What he said...

 

[Oldman1]

Isn't the 236 year history of America about subjugation rather its the Native Indians to the Iraqi's and Afghans. The Americans have been subjugating people with violence all over the world for 236 years. And if you compare the action of America and Islam i would say America has been far more violent. The question Americans often ask is is Islam a religion of peace ? But the question should also be ask is America and its people a nation and a people of peace ? And the clear answer is NO !

LOL Islam has been spread by violence since its creation. Don't sugarcoat it buddy. Our previous President has tried to portray Islam as a religion of peace but we know thats not true. Many Muslims still be killing each other compare to other conflicts.