Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[thetutle]

Why would China support the west when they west is constantly sabatoging, demonizing and vilifying China on a daily basis? Do you think China exists in a vacuum, totally unaware of which countries are trying to hurt it and which countries bankroll billions to create a regime of fake news to destroy China’s image?

The west made China an enemy and it is too late to reverse it. Wake up. And if you think China is that easy to replace in the global supply chain, it would’ve been done already.

Thats a good point. trump made a huge mistake with china. Huge. It was treason.

And there is no good reason for china to side with the west. Only economic reasons now. Hopefully they do. We will see.

 

[jhungary]

You fundamentally misunderstand the banking system I think. Money does come out of nowhere, and it does not need to be printed.

LOL, a person who said "Money DOES COMES OUT of nowhere" is saying I fundamentally misunderstand the banking system.....

Not even the American got to say that, and they control world economy...........

LOL good one.

 

[CIA Mole]

You know what I also think, Russia could very easily turn democratic. who would have thought 15 years ago that Ukraine would be fighting harder than anyone for freedom and democracy?

It was just a Russian satellite. look how things turned out. The people just became enlightened. I never saw it coming.

Whats to say that Russia wont have the same process. They are almost the same people as ukranians, they are almost the same people as you and me. Why would they choose to live in a tyranny run by a mafia? Its unsustainable.

the fundamental beef btw russia us is russia denying us control of russian resources

the russian oligarchs will take over the country once putin is gone

the russian people and elites will not allow american control of russian resources but americans will try

russians know china is a good distraction for americans so they wont let china get annihilated either




iran venezuela and arab states all had this conflict with the us

only russia managed to hold out owing to its nuclear stockpile

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504479639661543432

 

[Apollon]

You know what I also think, Russia could very easily turn democratic. who would have thought 15 years ago that Ukraine would be fighting harder than anyone for freedom and democracy?

It was just a Russian satellite. look how things turned out. The people just became enlightened. I never saw it coming.

Whats to say that Russia wont have the same process. They are almost the same people as ukranians, they are almost the same people as you and me. Why would they choose to live in a tyranny run by a mafia? Its unsustainable.

Thats what Putin fears the most and he sees it now. People who were free will never allow tyranny again.

 

[CIA Mole]

Thats what Putin fears the most and he sees it now. People who were free will never allow tyranny again.

u guys want to bet money on whether or not russia will become a model democratic country after putin is gone?

 

[Apollon]

Why would China support the west when they west is constantly sabatoging, demonizing and vilifying China on a daily basis? Do you think China exists in a vacuum, totally unaware of which countries are trying to hurt it and which countries bankroll billions to create a regime of fake news to destroy China’s image?

The west made China an enemy and it is too late to reverse it. Wake up. And if you think China is that easy to replace in the global supply chain, it would’ve been done already.

Why would China side with a weakling like Russia? Weakness is a virus that easily spreads. Russia shows extreme weakness and China build its entire system on trade with Europe. Russia becomes more and more a problem.

 

[vizier]

Since the war is going slow for Russian side and putins demands if are too high behind the scenes on the negotiating table there is the slight possibility of even small usage of tactical nukes by Russia on eastern plains of Ukraine to turn the tides for putins victory. But in that case open usage of tactical nukes will be the norm in every future conflict involving nuclear powers. It will open the gates of hell. Maybe that is what Usa wants as well behind the scenes and provokes Russia to do that(or control putin if he was an installed leader). In that case there should be preemptive measures in place for deterrance against using it. Un voting countries including China should be ready to vote against Russia if tactical nukes are used and impose severe sanctions similar to Eu. That would make whole south Asia vote against as well so it wont be a surprise. Also nuclear debris can spread to Poland even if small nukes are used. SM-3 SM-6 sams would possibly placed on Poland to secure western parts of Ukraine having 500-600km range. We would also see similar sam-missile buildup in Letonia,Estonia bordering nato countries as well if that happens. That would be a strategic loss for Russia even if not for putin that is if tactical nukes are used.

 

[jamahir]

You know what I also think, Russia could very easily turn democratic. who would have thought 15 years ago that Ukraine would be fighting harder than anyone for freedom and democracy?

Yes yes, in Libya and Syria too the Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood are fighting for freedom and democracy.

So because other can do you can too? Because thieves can steal you too? There is no excuse for Russia.

Personally I never give any party the rights for unjustified aggression.

1. Russia had valid reasons to do incursion into a country where Nazis were part of the administration and the military ( didn't you read this thread where the Nazis had lynched and hung and crucified some Russian-speakers ? ), where NATO at some point would place nuclear weapons, where in 2014 the CIA-supported Maidan "Revolution" brought in people into power who enabled the first two points. What is stopping Zelensky from understanding those Russian concerns and changing his political policies ?

2. If you don't agree with unjustified aggression then start with explicitly condemning the American military atrocities in your own Vietnam and then the NATO aggression now against Libya, Syria and Venezuela and also in context of Ukraine the NATO supply of weapons and human fighters to the Nazis.

 

[Tamerlane]

Why would China support the west when they west is constantly sabatoging, demonizing and vilifying China on a daily basis? Do you think China exists in a vacuum, totally unaware of which countries are trying to hurt it and which countries bankroll billions to create a regime of fake news to destroy China’s image?

The west made China an enemy and it is too late to reverse it. Wake up. And if you think China is that easy to replace in the global supply chain, it would’ve been done already.

What they've been doing with 1.8 billion Muslims of the world is even worse. They've been spending billions demonizing Islam and trillions making war on Muslim countries. They think that no one noticed it or there won't be any negative consequences.

Every empire thinks it will last forever, but nature, karma, God, whatever you believe in, always catches up with them.

 

[Apollon]

u guys want to bet money on whether or not russia will become a model democratic country after putin is gone?

Its a long process but it is possible. Nobody with some brain can think a hyper corrupted oligarch mafia system can solve the problems of a nation like russia

Yes yes, in Libya and Syria too the Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood are fighting for freedom and democracy.



1. Russia had valid reasons to do incursion into a country where Nazis were part of the administration and the military ( didn't you read this thread where the Nazis had lynched and hung and crucified some Russian-speakers ? ), where NATO at some point would place nuclear weapons, where in 2014 the CIA-supported Maidan "Revolution" brought in people into power who enabled the first two points. What is stopping Zelensky from understanding those Russian concerns and changing his political policies ?

2. If you don't agree with unjustified aggression then start with explicitly condemning the American military atrocities in your own Vietnam and then the NATO aggression now against Libya, Syria and Venezuela and also in context of Ukraine the NATO supply of weapons and human fighters to the Nazis.

Why should Zelensky change policies when he sees a chance to destroy putinism?

 

[CIA Mole]

Its a long process but it is possible. Nobody with some brain can think a hyper corrupted oligarch mafia system can solve the problems of a nation like russia



Why should Zelensky change policies when he sees a chance to destroy putinism?

putin xi etc will all die

how confident are you that their replacements will be better

 

[Viet]

Yes yes, in Libya and Syria too the Al Qaeda and "Muslim" Brotherhood are fighting for freedom and democracy.



1. Russia had valid reasons to do incursion into a country where Nazis were part of the administration and the military ( didn't you read this thread where the Nazis had lynched and hung and crucified some Russian-speakers ? ), where NATO at some point would place nuclear weapons, where in 2014 the CIA-supported Maidan "Revolution" brought in people into power who enabled the first two points. What is stopping Zelensky from understanding those Russian concerns and changing his political policies ?

2. If you don't agree with unjustified aggression then start with explicitly condemning the American military atrocities in your own Vietnam and then the NATO aggression now against Libya, Syria and Venezuela and also in context of Ukraine the NATO supply of weapons and human fighters to the Nazis.

Calling a Jew as Nazi is the most rediculous joke ever!

Putin prepares this war over 10y. He clearly stated in multiple speeches what he wants.

Calling NATO expansion, genocide on Russia speaking people or other shits are lame excuses.

Every aggressor needs a reason why he kills people.

Some say they have a problem with their parents.

 

[jhungary]

For every Zellensky there are probably 1000 ethnic Russians in Ukraine who would rather be part of Russia as of now--until they realize that Russia is the Sick Man of Europe. As I keep saying here--time will have this all settled. There was no need for a war. American Neocons have pushed another war in the world. And European suckers are, if this goes out of hand, will suffer great misery again...

I can tell you this.

I used to live in Ukraine and I personally know a lot of Ukrainian. There were this girl Katerina who was born in Transnistria, she was one of the people I talk to and worked with in Ukraine that supported annexation of Crimea, and think ethnic Russian should have their own state. She is probably as Pro-Russian as you can get in Ukraine .

This is her Facebook post on the 3rd of March in my feed.

If you translate it to English it is.

I left Nova Kakhovka on the first day of the war. On February 24, at 5 in the morning, we, like all Ukraine, woke up to the sound of bombs. I called my mom, who spent the night at the cottage, and asked if I had gone crazy. Does she hear the same thing. She heard and heard even harder. The earth trembled at the Energetik cottages, where the Russians have now set up their grads. We managed to fill up a full tank of gas, packed our things and decided to go with the kids. Drive out of the city, drive for the hydroelectric power plant, over the bridge. To anywhere but faster. Two hours later, when we approached Nikolaev, our New Kakhovka was already occupied by the Russian army. We spent the night in Nikolaev, where my dad's friends received us. People whom I never knew before, but who knew what situation I was in, who fled from the "liberators" from native Donetsk 8 years ago. Early in the morning headed to the Moldovan border. We knew the border was closed and no one was allowed in, but we decided to take a chance. We have relatives here in Transnistria, I was born here in 1988, and most of my life was lived by my mother. We've been missed. Us, and another woman with a child. I've been sleeping in silence for the third night, but I still have shivers from the noise of the garbage truck under the window. It's scary for me to imagine what mothers who remained in Ukraine have experienced and are going through now. #glorytoukraine #wewillwin #palyanytsia #russianshipfuckyou
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It's one thing you support faction within a government, it is another thing to have that taking away from you, she HATES Zelenskyy, yet when you are being attack by Russian, they don't care if you are Pro-Russian or Pro-Ukraine, a bomb, mortar or rocket hit you, and you die the same. That is why even the most pro-Russian people in Ukraine are fighting back, you don't need to go far, just look at the Mayor of Kharkiv Igor Terekhov, who was talking about normalisation with Russia just a year before this is now vowed to fight the Russian to his death.......

Trust me when I say there, for every Zellensky there are probably 1000 ethnic Russians in Ukraine who would rather be part of Russia as of now, then for every one of those people, there are 1000 people in Ukraine, be it ethnic Ukrainian or Russia, want Russia out, some would even tell you they want Putin's head

 

[MH.Yang]

It would be painful for both. And best avoided. Europe would just rebuild supply chains and invest in other counties. Maybe Malaysia, Vietnam or even closer to Europe that has cheap wages. Maybe Ukraine. Or what’s left of it.

But China should support the rules based order. It better for all. A new system if we are forced into it might not be a fair as today.

And there is no guarantee that China will be better off in the new system. South Korea and Japan might go nuclear. EU might establish new colonies in Asia. Have spheres of influence in Asia.

Its worth defending this system for everyone I think. Let’s see what China decides

Do you really think western countries still have a chance to rebuild the industrial chain? Now, even with China's cooperation, it will take decades to transfer only the low-end industrial chain. If Western countries need to rebuild a complete industrial chain from scratch, will 100 years be enough? Will China give western countries so much time? After the announcement of sanctions, China will use the supply of necessities to attract other resource countries to trade with CNY, and then occupy the whole world trading system. The pain of both sides is not at the same level, and Western countries have no opportunity to rebuild the industrial chain.

Yes, nuclear weapons. The USA can also threaten China with nuclear weapons. But I'm afraid China can afford nuclear war, while the USA cannot afford nuclear war.