Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504675902872948741

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504675407374663682

 

[Apollon]

Russian soldiers trying to intimidate grandmas in Ukraine village ...

They were told they get celebrated but are insulted by the village grandmas as facists and freaks

This is why Russia has lost Ukraine. Whatever sympathy was, its all gone. Ukraine is part of the free world

 

[NA71]

We can discuss this once Russia is crushed into oblivion. We are at war and Europe is not willing to lose it. So far it looks quite good. Russia suffers extreme high casualties and as it looks like it loses its power in central asia too. Kazakhstan and Usbekistan denounced Russia and offer full support to Ukraine. Nobody likes losers brother. And russia is losing bad.

Btw in Germany banks now blocked accounts of all russian citizens. They cant even get welfare money.

Russia is crushed into oblivion

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504693828854464523

 

[Tamerlane]

Without factories, there would be no goods. The absence of commodity support means the complete collapse of the western monetary system and the most vicious inflation.
China can certainly give up its worthless debts. China will use necessities to require other resource countries to use CNY for trade settlement. You can use dollars to rebuild the industrial chain from scratch.
But at that time, I'm afraid no country would accept the dollar. Because you can't provide any goods for these dollars.

You can imagine that Tesla's automobile factory, Apple's factory, patents and factories of various chips have suddenly become the property of Chinese state-owned enterprises overnight. Even some factories left in the West will stop production due to the rupture of the industrial chain. What will happen to the USA? You will be forced to rob necessities with guns, just as blacks once did.
Without enough material, I'm afraid the American warships and tanks at that time were a pile of scrap iron, which could not even repeat a war in Iraq. Of course, it is more likely that the US military is busy quelling domestic riots.

That's a harsh, but true, assessment. If US-China trade collapses, or the dollar depreciates precipitously, the US will descend into civil strife very quickly.

The US may have military bases spread around the world, and US partisans may boast of their ability to destroy any country on the planet, but internally it's a house of cards. The enemies are not outside the country, they're inside. The real enemies are the leadership, both political and business, who've ruined the country because of their greed, the millions of poor people and the horrendous ethnic divide. One hard knock and the black and white militias will be out there, fighting in the streets for control.

It's not something I look forward to because Canada will go down with the US. Unfortunately, Canada doesn't even have enough military to go moose hunting. If millions of heavily armed refugees invade the country no one will be able to stop them.

 

[Apollon]

Russia is crushed into oblivion

It is. Russia had 1000 years european history. Its completly wiped out. Evry connection cut off in trade, sport, culture. On military side they have massive losses and EU and USA flood endless stream of weapons into Ukraine. Ukraine has become toxic Environment for Russia. Its Impossible to hold land where evry granny owns 5 MANPADS

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504692403227312137

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504681413886443520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504676555359862784

 

[jhungary]

the dollar go in other investment.to bring more money back
a question what other countries do when they use foreign currencies to back their money ?
by the way you must consider one small fact . printing money is not inherently bad , it become bad when you print money but you cant spend it


in 2007 - 2008 we had 50 billion dollar in reserve ,our economy was more than 500 Billion , how we survived ?

very simple all economy is not foreign trade , you must ask yourself how much of that 1.4trilion Dollar is generated inside Russia and how much that part which is generated inside Russia will be affected by sanctions .

we were not allowed swift , we were not allowed trade in valuable metal , our oil industry were sanctioned , we were not allowed to trade in Dollar .
every company wanted to trade with us would have been sanctioned if it get known . i wonder if you mean another iran . we were not even allowed to loan money for fighting Corona virus while according to all laws we were entitled to the loan because we didn't ever used our right to borrow money .
we learned to live with sanction , we used transaction systems which were used since thousand of years ago , we also used barter system , ......

when sanction put on Iran , iran currency lost 90% of its value . so nothing new there . the only difference is we don have that much of foreign debt .

Iranian rial lost 90 % of its value in 2004-2005 and again 30-40% in 2018-2019 . but the economy is not only foreign trade for all countries ,for some yes but for countries like Iran foreign trade is not even 10% of our economy , the rest is based on what we do inside our country ,and that made some country more resilient to sanction , and I believe Russia also have a big bunch of economy based on their country not foreign trade , that's why they survived the fall of USSR and the years after it and that's why I believe they survive this time


they stop trading it in form of not using it to pay for oil .

First of all, Biden lifted some payment system

Biden Lifts Sanctions On Iran’s Nuclear Program | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

And according to SWIFT, SWIFT Sanction was lifted by SWIFT in 2016 after JCOPAS agreement

Update: Iran Sanctions Agreement | Swift

17 January 2016

www.swift.com

And finally, US granted waiver to countries to trade oil with Iran.

So, no, I am talking about the same Iran, you probably not aware of the current sanctioning condition in Iran.

And You can keep arguing about China can pay for Russian Oil, it's a chicken and an egg question. The problem you don't have that initial chicken or egg to start to paradox. You need extra money to buy "EXTRA" Russian oil that you haven't brought before. You are talking about increasing the purchase, not keeping the same level of engagement. If I want to buy something new from a vendor I always brought from, you will still need to come up with that money, and you cannot print it, which mean that has to come from somewhere. Either you get it from terminating Trade with other (thus redirect those fund to Russia) or you get extra funding by selling the asset you already own.

Once you have that seed money, then you can talk about How it can be reinjecting into China and keep using this over and over (Which in itself is another question because you simply cannot do that, because once you clear the oil and gas payment, and the Russian pay you back with electronics or what have you, those money are not going to go back to Central Bank, instead it will be going back to the people who make those Electronic or what have you for them to make more, which mean come next year, the same question appear, you will then be needing to find a way to get that money to buy Russian Oil, but that is a discussion for later)

Problem for you is you are thinking of the initial money coming out of nowhere, True if Russia has always been supplying Chinese Oil and Gas in a way that could cover all that payment, but in reality, China buy 1/8 of what EU brought from Russian, which mean you will need to find a way to take over the other 7/8 of the sale to cover the entire EU consumption. That cost money, and since China is not even going to need that much, are you sure they want to do that?

As I said with MY Yang, I mean, if you want to believe this, that is up to you, I have my doubt on the issue, and just because you keep saying there are going to be money does not mean there are going to be money involved. And at the end of the day, this is not me, not yours and not anyone decision to make, it's Chinese Government. So basically, we keep dancing around the same tune is useless, so let's just go back to you believe what you want to believe, and I believe what I want to believe. And if you think Russia is going to be okay, well, that's you, and probably not going to affect you as you don't live in Russia. I have a lot of friend living in Russia, they all tell me life is getting harder by day, but well, I don't live in Russia, and you don't live in Russia, so there really aren't any point to keep doing this.

I said my piece, I don't know if you had said yours. And I am going to leave it at this. As I said to the other dude, you can have your final word if you want. But I am not going to talk about this further because all I did and all you did, is just keep repeating ourselves, and I have no time to do that.

 

[NA71]

It is. Russia had 1000 years european history. Its completly wiped out. Evry connection cut off in trade, sport, culture. On military side they have massive losses and EU and USA flood endless stream of weapons into Ukraine. Ukraine has become toxic Environment for Russia. Its Impossible to hold land where evry granny owns 5 MANPADS

Good luck

 

[thetutle]

Russian soldiers trying to intimidate grandmas in Ukraine village ...

They were told they get celebrated but are insulted by the village grandmas as facists and freaks

This is why Russia has lost Ukraine. Whatever sympathy was, its all gone. Ukraine is part of the free world

You know what I also think, Russia could very easily turn democratic. who would have thought 15 years ago that Ukraine would be fighting harder than anyone for freedom and democracy?

It was just a Russian satellite. look how things turned out. The people just became enlightened. I never saw it coming.

Whats to say that Russia wont have the same process. They are almost the same people as ukranians, they are almost the same people as you and me. Why would they choose to live in a tyranny run by a mafia? Its unsustainable.

 

[Viet]

1. I mentioned to you three other destroyed countries - Iraq, Libya and Syria. Where is your empathy for those ?

2. How is what I said nonsense ? I just speak of a way for peace in humanity.



But the Western governments whom you seem to support have the right to dictate to others ?

So because other can do you can too? Because thieves can steal you too? There is no excuse for Russia.

Personally I never give any party the rights for unjustified aggression.

 

[tower9]

It would be painful for both. And best avoided. Europe would just rebuild supply chains and invest in other counties. Maybe Malaysia, Vietnam or even closer to Europe that has cheap wages. Maybe Ukraine. Or what’s left of it.

But China should support the rules based order. It better for all. A new system if we are forced into it might not be a fair as today.

And there is no guarantee that China will be better off in the new system. South Korea and Japan might go nuclear. EU might establish new colonies in Asia. Have spheres of influence in Asia.

Its worth defending this system for everyone I think. Let’s see what China decides

Why would China support the west when they west is constantly sabatoging, demonizing and vilifying China on a daily basis? Do you think China exists in a vacuum, totally unaware of which countries are trying to hurt it and which countries bankroll billions to create a regime of fake news to destroy China’s image?

The west made China an enemy and it is too late to reverse it. Wake up. And if you think China is that easy to replace in the global supply chain, it would’ve been done already.

 

[jhungary]

You dont need to back the deal, Russia gets Yuan and uses it to buy Chinese goods the same day. You are twisting your self up in knots with this idea that there must be some backing or extra printing of money or extra generating of yuan. China already had that money with which to buy oil.

May I ask where that money come from?

Again, you are not talking about the oil China is going to get anyway, the one that they had set aside budget at the beginning of the year, but rather oil and gas that China is getting to save Russia. That is a big difference....You are talking about what happen after China paid up those extra Russian oil and gas that were going to EU, when I am asking you where is the money that China get to buy them in the first place? China did not budget them obviously, so money have to come from somewhere. Where does it come from?

I have asked you numerous question and all I got in response is that "I am twisting myself up" I mean, that is not an answer to my question. If you want to convince me, you will need to answer my question directly.

Where is the money going to come up if China want to buy "EXTRA" oil and gas without printing more.
What happened if China buying more than enough USD into settling the debt?
What can Russia guarantee the transaction in return?

All these question need to be answered, and that answer is not "I am twisting myself up" I hope you understand that.

 

[Amliunion]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504696857687212037