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Declarations of solidarity and the $2 billion in promised military aid received by a high-level Pakistani delegation in Washington last week belie the hardening of U.S. attitudes toward Islamabad. A White House report to Congress in early October accused the Pakistani army of avoiding "military engagements that would put it in direct conflict with Afghan Taliban or al-Qaeda's forces," suggesting this inaction was a "political choice." Mounting exasperation within the Administration at the failure of Pakistan to do its designated part in the U.S. war in Afghanistan is prompting calls in Washington to take a much tougher line with Islamabad. But rather than produce a more pliant Pakistan, an escalation of U.S. pressure could prompt Islamabad to strengthen its ties with a more forgiving ally, China.

Despite the Pakistani military's long-term reliance on U.S. support, anti-American sentiment in the country is dangerously high, stoked in part by growing anger over civilian casualties from U.S. drone attacks as well as disquiet with Washington's warming ties with Pakistan's archrival, India. President Obama is due to travel to India this week in a high-profile state visit.
(Watch TIME's video "Where Should Pakistan's Army Aim Its Weapons?")

In an exclusive interview with TIME conducted in late September, Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi complained about the controversial civil-nuclear-energy deal the Bush Administration negotiated with India. No similar deal is on the cards for the Pakistanis, with Washington skittish about the security of Islamabad's nuclear program and about the continued links between members of its military intelligence agency, the ISI, and various jihadists. "We were the traditional allies — the Indians remained in the Soviet camp," says Qureshi. "Ever since that changed, the American approach has changed. Today, America values India a lot."

Washington's perceived shift toward India has led some among Pakistan's elites, particularly within its powerful security establishment, to place more emphasis on Islamabad's relations with Beijing. Pakistan and China share what is often dubbed an "all-weather" friendship: a Cold War–vintage alliance born out of geography and a mutual antipathy to India. In February, China agreed to build two nuclear reactors in Pakistan, a move that was seen as strategic tit-for-tat following the India-U.S. deal. And last month, leaked reports suggested that China National Nuclear Corporation was in advanced talks with Pakistani authorities to build a massive new one-gigawatt nuclear facility. Previous Chinese technological assistance is believed by some to have gone well beyond simple energy projects. "Without Chinese help," says Hassan Abbas, a professor of South Asian studies at Columbia University, "there would be no Pakistani nuclear bomb."
(See TIME's photo essay "Pakistan Beneath the Surface.")

Abbas, a former Pakistan government adviser, says Beijing's interests in the region are now expanding at a rapid clip — "the Chinese ambassador in Islamabad is a very active person," he notes. China has enlisted Pakistani cooperation in quashing potential Muslim insurgencies in its far-western province of Xinjiang, bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan. Apart from its nuclear-energy investments, China is also constructing dams, building infrastructure and exploring for precious metals. It has also developed the strategic deep-water port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea in Pakistani Baluchistan — although hopes to have that serve as a primary conduit to Central Asian trade have been clouded by the security situation, which has seen Gwadar possibly eclipsed in that role by an Indian-backed port in Iran. "China is a neighbor and a friend," Qureshi told TIME. "China has the technology today and China has the money to invest."

The Pakistanis don't seem to mind that many of these projects have been carried out with the use of Chinese labor and, in some cases, with little direct benefit to the local economy. Unlike the U.S., says Abbas, China is viewed positively by much of the Pakistani public, whose voluble media tends to blame the country's travails on American, Israeli or Indian meddling. While Pakistanis are often quick to side with the cause of Muslim separatists around the world — whether in nearby Kashmir or Chechnya or Palestine — little attention is paid to the plight of Muslim Uighurs in neighboring Xinjiang. "You will not find any discussion about this in the Pakistani discourse," says Abbas.
(Comment on this story.)

Yet, says C. Christine Fair, an expert on South Asian political and military affairs at Georgetown University, much of the apparent strength of Sino-Pakistani ties is illusory. "China does what is in its strategic interests and uses Pakistan no more and no less than [other big donors] Saudi Arabia and the U.S.," she says. There's little effort from Beijing to help boost Pakistan's flagging civilian government or stabilize the country's democracy. According to Fair, Beijing's support of Islamabad is meant, in part, to tie up China's longer-term regional rival, India. "What China really wants is to encourage security competition to basically counter India's rise," she says.

Pakistan is, nonetheless, a useful chess piece for China as it steadily makes inroads into South and Central Asia — from laying pipelines through a host of former Soviet republics to tapping Afghanistan's sprawling copper fields. Qureshi welcomes expanded Chinese engagement: "They have an interest in a stable and peaceful [region], and why not? We want them to play a role."

Strategists in the U.S. can only hope that China's growing involvement in Pakistan yields positive results. "The only way forward is for the U.S. to work more closely with China, especially in a region where there ought to be some commonality of interest," says Fair. But on the historic playing field of the old imperial Great Game, commonality of interest is hardly stable — particularly when it comes to an ascendant China and a beleaguered America, groping for a way out.



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A very nicely written article that states spades as spades. Every line was a good read. Thanks for posting. :tup:.

But one thing amuses me; US-Pakistan ties are subjected to bilateral understanding and disagreements between the 2 countries. Then why is Qureshi bringing us in the middle? Whatever US sees in us is independent of what it sees in Pakistan, isn't it?
 
A very nicely written article that states spades as spades. Every line was a good read. Thanks for posting. :tup:.

But one thing amuses me; US-Pakistan ties are subjected to bilateral understanding and disagreements between the 2 countries. Then why is Qureshi bringing us in the middle? Whatever US sees in us is independent of what it sees in Pakistan, isn't it?



Not really,

China wants Pakistan to counter India.
US wants India to counter China.

The problem is US also wants Pakistan, until the war in Afghanistan is over.

Which means they have to play a balancing act, pure devilish.
 
"They have an interest in a stable and peaceful [region], and why not? We want them to play a role."

Can't believe it is more than 10 years since the 'war on terror' began.
 
Not really,

China wants Pakistan to counter India.
US wants India to counter China.

The problem is US also wants Pakistan, until the war in Afghanistan is over.

Which means they have to play a balancing act, pure devilish.


I can only say, India does not have the share in China's foreign policy, there may be 20 years ago, but now, not so important, we value the cooperation of Pakistan itself.
 
I can only say, India does not have the share in China's foreign policy, there may be 20 years ago, but now, not so important, we value the cooperation of Pakistan itself.

That is not the way International politics work my friend. Its true in current status there is nothing that India can offer to China, but in its approach to bring up Pakistan as a counter weight to us China is making a mistake?? I mean not today not tomorrow but perhaps atleast a decade or so after India will achieve its stated goals and will prove to be a force of some sorts ( i am not at all saying we will do this and that). China cannot ignore us even now but at the certain point i am talking about it will have to take us into account. The problem would be that India's throat will be filled with the bitterness of your actions which will be naturally against us. This does not augur well for the future of China-India Relations.
 
That is not the way International politics work my friend. Its true in current status there is nothing that India can offer to China, but in its approach to bring up Pakistan as a counter weight to us China is making a mistake?? I mean not today not tomorrow but perhaps atleast a decade or so after India will achieve its stated goals and will prove to be a force of some sorts ( i am not at all saying we will do this and that). China cannot ignore us even now but at the certain point i am talking about it will have to take us into account. The problem would be that India's throat will be filled with the bitterness of your actions which will be naturally against us. This does not augur well for the future of China-India Relations.


The development of relations between China and India, I agree, but you underestimated the potential of Pakistan.

You misunderstood what I mean, India does not have the share in China's foreign defence policy, I mean that China does not need much to Pakistan to restrict India. 20 years ago might have a big need, there is not so much today.
 
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Releations between China and India will remain highly civilian and commerical.
Releation between Pak-China will remain low in commercial value but high in terms of defense and strategic ties.

Releations between Pak-USA will remain dependent on the amount of $$$ fed to pockets of our corrupt leaders. The strategic value of Pak-US releation will always be a reflection of India-US releations.

Pakistan may open another front of deeper ties with Russia in near future.
 
Pakistan needs to become a major Industrial and Military Power.
 
Pakistan needs to become a major Industrial and Military Power.

Pakistan is already a major military power. Pakistan needs to become a prosperous nation with no poverty and human rights violations. Same goes for India.
 
Pakistan may open another front of deeper ties with Russia in near future.

Russia needs money. You will not get things for free or at a discount like Pakistan get from the US and China (though I feel Pakistani army has given lives which cannot have a numerical value attached to it).

What can Pakistan offer Russia? Why would Russia want to close its ties with India and go with Pakistan?
 
Russia needs money.
What can Pakistan offer Russia? Why would Russia want to close its ties with India and go with Pakistan?

- Pakistan can offer Russia access to 'Warm Waters' of Arabian Sea.
- Pakistan can offer the newly built Gawdar port for its trade supplies.
- Pakistan can offer access to Gas & Oil Supply Routes.
- Vast trade and investment opportunities.
- Pakistan can stable Afghanistan with cooperation from Russia.
- Pakistan can buy vast amounts of Military hardware and skills from Russia.
- Road and Rail network access can also be provided to Russia.
 
The development of relations between China and India, I agree, but you underestimated the potential of Pakistan.

You misunderstood what I mean, India does not have the share in China's foreign defence policy, I mean that China does not need much to Pakistan to restrict India. 20 years ago might have a big need, there is not so much today.

That is because India is too big and militarily powerful to be a swing state even for the U.S leave alone China.And you are greatly mistaken about

I mean that China does not need much to Pakistan to restrict India. 20 years ago might have a big need, there is not so much today

Pakistan 's primary importance to China is in countering India,and all economic ,civilian co-operation is secondary and a matter of convenience . Even in the strategic arena .....There is not one country which China cannot develop relations on its own apart from Afghanistan . Eg Iran or any of the Central Asian republics .

on the other hand India's influence as a regional entity in South Asia is simply too great.Even with recent inroads , Indian influence in BD , Sri lanka ,Nepal far outweights China's ( I can give links to illustrate this point ).

But if a major portion of Indian military assets is concentrated on its western front in protecting from as many theatres (GB , the Punjab sector,etc) then it diminishes India's ability to field greater assets on the Eastern side .....Pakistan's sole value to China lies in this so they would want to provide financial aid and loans to pursue Chinese weapons and platforms to tie up the Indian armed forces with numbers .Given the current modernization levels of the Indian military compared to China, we can certainly hold our own in a limited conflict .Even china, given its many fonts and borders can hardly concentrate all its forces on the Indo-Tibetan border.
 
The development of relations between China and India, I agree, but you underestimated the potential of Pakistan.

You misunderstood what I mean, India does not have the share in China's foreign defence policy, I mean that China does not need much to Pakistan to restrict India. 20 years ago might have a big need, there is not so much today.

China will continue to back Pakistan military, which will continue to remain an India-centric force.
 
That is because India is too big and militarily powerful to be a swing state even for the U.S leave alone China.And you are greatly mistaken about



Pakistan 's primary importance to China is in countering India,and all economic ,civilian co-operation is secondary and a matter of convenience . Even in the strategic arena .....There is not one country which China cannot develop relations on its own apart from Afghanistan . Eg Iran or any of the Central Asian republics .

on the other hand India's influence as a regional entity in South Asia is simply too great.Even with recent inroads , Indian influence in BD , Sri lanka ,Nepal far outweights China's ( I can give links to illustrate this point ).

But if a major portion of Indian military assets is concentrated on its western front in protecting from as many theatres (GB , the Punjab sector,etc) then it diminishes India's ability to field greater assets on the Eastern side .....Pakistan's sole value to China lies in this so they would want to provide financial aid and loans to pursue Chinese weapons and platforms to tie up the Indian armed forces with numbers .Given the current modernization levels of the Indian military compared to China, we can certainly hold our own in a limited conflict .Even china, given its many fonts and borders can hardly concentrate all its forces on the Indo-Tibetan border.


I modified a bit, India does not have big share in China's foreign defence policy. I can only say, "all economic, civilian co-operation is secondary", 20 years ago, you may be right, but now is not. China certainly have a concern on India , but if you said the strategic relationship between China and Pakistan just because India, you will are wrong.
 
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