US aid to Pakistan diverted, squandered: report

[IceCold]

Sure... but do it on your own dime; not on somebody elses.

We are not somebody's paid servent. As for the aid getting squandered, i highly doubt that because US government isnt stupid, they keep check of each and every dollar that goes to another country. Its just a media hype and nothing more.

Mr.Salim: Criticizing jewish influence is because of them this whole hype ie bing created at the first place. Just look at the list of the newspapers that come up with rubbish like this on daily basis against pakistan and then check how many of them are jewish.

 

[Energon]

True.

But then you have to give to Pakistan that it has done what it has done and doing rather well!

I have no quibbles with that.

Not really. This is a vicious cycle, in the past Pakistan has always run into problems when USA stops aid. I have no doubt in my mind that we are still amidst the cycle. In a few months congress will completely lose faith in Pakistan and start reprimands. Then Pakistan's politicians and military figures will start expressing their indignation for having been humiliated or treated unfairly. In the mean time nothing will really change on the ground and the violence will persist.

If someone can fool another, it is the other guy who is being fooled, who is a fool!

You certainly have a point here. I can't possibly deny the fact that there are critical faults in the foundation of USA’s policy towards Pakistan. First, we don't seem to learn from history. We've already had problems with the PA usurping funds under false pretexts; I'm not really sure why anything different was expected this time around.

Also, in Pakistan the PA is the most powerful social and political organization who gets the biggest cut of the resources as is. It would be far better to fund and aid other organizations and programs that really need it, such as infrastructure, education, health etc.

 

[Energon]

We are not somebody's paid servent.

In the current scenario Pakistan is a client state of the USA; on this point there should be no confusion. And yes, Pakistan is subsequently at the mercy of the American policy makers whether they like it or not. (I'm not saying that I agree with or somehow endorse this idea... not at all, I'm totally against it; but it is reality nonetheless.)

As for the aid getting squandered, i highly doubt that because US government isnt stupid, they keep check of each and every dollar that goes to another country. Its just a media hype and nothing more.

Actually the USA has time and time again been extremely stupid when it comes to these matters. True, they keep an account of how much money is turned over, but they've never been good at determining if the money should be turned over in the first place, or whom and for what purpose its being used.

Mr.Salim: Criticizing jewish influence is because of them this whole hype ie bing created at the first place. Just look at the list of the newspapers that come up with rubbish like this on daily basis against pakistan and then check how many of them are jewish.

The "Jewish influence" has nothing to do with this. I doubt anybody would care that much to launch an expensive media campaign.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

We are not somebody's paid servent. As for the aid getting squandered, i highly doubt that because US government isnt stupid, they keep check of each and every dollar that goes to another country. Its just a media hype and nothing more.

Mr.Salim: Criticizing jewish influence is because of them this whole hype ie bing created at the first place. Just look at the list of the newspapers that come up with rubbish like this on daily basis against pakistan and then check how many of them are jewish.

Whatever.

Remember what Mahatir had said at the OIC conference in Kuala Lumpur?

It is worth paying heed to it, instead of conjecturing!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Not really. This is a vicious cycle, in the past Pakistan has always run into problems when USA stops aid. I have no doubt in my mind that we are still amidst the cycle. In a few months congress will completely lose faith in Pakistan and start reprimands. Then Pakistan's politicians and military figures will start expressing their indignation for having been humiliated or treated unfairly. In the mean time nothing will really change on the ground and the violence will persist.

That maybe true, but given Pakistan pre-eminent position in the WoT vs Taliban - AQ, assistance to Pakistan in the form of money or defence goods cannot be jettisoned!

Pakistan can do exactly what they want without too much of a worry and yes, it is true there will be thunder but no lightning!

 

[kidwaibhai]

first of all we are not a client state of the US. a client state of the US would be a country that does exactly what the US tells it to do. PA not doing exactly what the US is saying is proof that we not a client state. I can give a lot of examples where we are doing the exact of opposite that the US is telling the government to do. in fact i think that is the exact reason why these unnamed sources say these things about pakistan to put pressure on the government to tow the line or else. but i do think that the government should really give more money to take care of the threat of the tribal areas and finish it once and for all. i think the paradigm shifted in the sub contenent after May 28 1998 and the pakistani strategist have to take that into account and start making sure the internal problems in pakistan are once and for all ended so that we can become a stable country and get on a path towards development and modernization.

 

[mujahideen]

In recent years The New York Times has published a lot of articles about Pakistan which are false. I read this newspaper everyday and by reading it I can tell that it has a totally Jewish point of view and agenda. The New York Times just writes whatever the Jews tell them to write. Their is nothing free, fair or balanced about this paper.

 

[IceCold]

The "Jewish influence" has nothing to do with this. I doubt anybody would care that much to launch an expensive media campaign.

Well the facts state otherwise. Also if according to you why would anyone care to launch such an expensive media campaign, how would you relate it with the constant ranting of the western media, most noticeable the newyork times, the washinton post. It seems that they are on somekind of payrole to come up with articles like these constantly bulling pakistan.
They seem to be on a mission to create fears into the hearts and minds of the american people the majority of which rely solely on the information provided by there media. So that the US government gets forced by its people to take steps against pakistan which otherwise are not needed. For instance one can already see the aid being cut, in the past we have also seen US senators threatning us and god knows whats coming next.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

When one does not agree with a view, then one is tempted to label it with some broad brushed cliché.

It is all very easy to feed the popular notion.

How is it Jewish propaganda?

Is the US that moribund that they fall prey to the so called "Jewish" whatever?

All newspapers publish what they feel like and they all have spins.

Would Geo TV also be a part of the Jewish label?

They also have said many things that are not palatable to Pakistan. So does Dawn and so does Daily Times!

 

[Spring Onion]

Forget about the Jewish propaganda or Jewish Media as it dosnt matter who is spitting venom the main concern is the venom is directed at Pakistan. And the entire anti-Mulsims forces are part of this drive which includes media from everywhere as i had said it has become a corporate sector where only money speaks and own intrest comes first while that of the country comes later.


Now coming to allegations of US aid misuse everyone knows US is not blind nor they are sleeping to turn a blind eye towards the matter.

They even do not sell weapons if they dont see any interest.

Above all the "aid" about which some moroons are jumping like bafoons is merely penuts.

and if the report falsly claims that the money had been diverted to buy weapons aimed at india P) than why, on earth those who had took pain to pen this propoganda, not provide the detail of all such deals where this money was spend as defence deals are not hidden from anyone specially in case of Pakistan.

i dont see any major weapon system in the recent past has been provided to Pakistan by any side so far.

 

[IceCold]

and if the report falsly claims that the money had been diverted to buy weapons aimed at india P) than why, on earth those who had took pain to pen this propoganda, not provide the detail of all such deals where this money was spend as defence deals are not hidden from anyone specially in case of Pakistan.

i dont see any major weapon system in the recent past has been provided to Pakistan by any side so far.

Well said And like always they come up with accusations but when asked for proofs they always fell short.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Forget about the Jewish propaganda or Jewish Media as it dosnt matter who is spitting venom the main concern is the venom is directed at Pakistan. And the entire anti-Mulsims forces are part of this drive which includes media from everywhere as i had said it has become a corporate sector where only money speaks and own intrest comes first while that of the country comes later.

You are a journalist and so you would know better about money power, including which force is bankrolling your newspaper and you!

Why anti Moslem alone that the Jewish NYT is targeting. I find most US folks also complaining that they are anti US. They are also anti Indian.

So they are anti everyone and pretty horrifying and yet they are a paper that people buy!

Paradox!

Now coming to allegations of US aid misuse everyone knows US is not blind nor they are sleeping to turn a blind eye towards the matter.

They even do not sell weapons if they dont see any interest.

You bet it.

There is a method to all this wherein the US finds its worthwhile to turn a blind eye. It sure is serving her purpose to have Pakistan fight the Taliban. And all said and done, inspite of a few hiccups, they are doing quite well in this pursuit.

Above all the "aid" about which some moroons are jumping like bafoons is merely penuts.

If they are 'peanuts', then why take it?

Maybe it is worth more than say no peanuts at all!

and if the report falsly claims that the money had been diverted to buy weapons aimed at india P) than why, on earth those who had took pain to pen this propoganda, not provide the detail of all such deals where this money was spend as defence deals are not hidden from anyone specially in case of Pakistan.

If it were false,the the FO spokeslady would have gone hammer and tongs as she usually does.

She remains intriguingly silent!

i dont see any major weapon system in the recent past has been provided to Pakistan by any side so far.

Good for you. I never knew you were an expert in this field.

Jana,

Expect a good rejoinder.

 

[Energon]

Well the facts state otherwise. Also if according to you why would anyone care to launch such an expensive media campaign, how would you relate it with the constant ranting of the western media, most noticeable the newyork times, the washinton post. It seems that they are on somekind of payrole to come up with articles like these constantly bulling pakistan.
They seem to be on a mission to create fears into the hearts and minds of the american people the majority of which rely solely on the information provided by there media. So that the US government gets forced by its people to take steps against pakistan which otherwise are not needed. For instance one can already see the aid being cut, in the past we have also seen US senators threatning us and god knows whats coming next.

The likelihood of the story being genuine is far greater than an elaborate plan hatched by the Jewish brigade to bully Pakistan.

If anything history is strongly in favor of the article's assertions. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by the "Jewish propaganda machine" here.

 

[Spring Onion]

If they are 'peanuts', then why take it?

Maybe it is worth more than say no peanuts at all!

Beacuse we are rendering services to US.

what you think we are so rich a country to move thousands of forces and spend mony on fuel and other things and do u think the thousands of troops could be engaged without spending money ????

If not ? than why on earth we should robe our nation for US intrests.

If it were false,the the FO spokeslady would have gone hammer and tongs as she usually does.

She remains intriguingly silent!

As always you are ill-infomed in this regard.

That Telanted lady Taslim Aslam is now made Ambassador and she no more is FO spokesperson.

Next time do your homework Sir

But even that here is the FO clarification though not as much as she could have said it but

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The foreign Office
Foreign Office spokesman Muhammad Sadiq on Monday described a report in an American newspaper regarding the US financial assistance to Pakistan in the fight against terrorism as speculative and ill-informed.

Talking to a private television, the spokesman said the report claims that reimbursement made to Pakistan had been misappropriated. He questioned as to how a reimbursement could be misappropriated as it means that after some expenses, repayment has been made. There is first expense and then payment, he added.

Muhammad Sadiq brushed aside the impression that the given amount was any kind of assistance. When you provide some services or commodities in exchange, it is not called an assistance but repayment, he said.

FO denies

Good for you. I never knew you were an expert in this field.

Jana,

Expect a good rejoinder.

will reply to this tommrrow now going home from office

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Beacuse we are rendering services to US.

what you think we are so rich a country to move thousands of forces and spend mony on fuel and other things and do u think the thousands of troops could be engaged without spending money ????

If not ? than why on earth we should robe our nation for US intrests.

Why render services to the Great White Satan?

Why rob, to quote you, your nation for US interest?

Tell the US to buzz off, if indeed that helps as many of the poster here has advocated.

The fact is simple. You can't!

Why can you not?

The money that is bolstering Pakistan i.e. the financial and military aid that is bolstering Pakistan will dry up. IMF nd WB will demand its money back etc. Pakistan will be up a gum tree. That is why, you have to play ball with the US.

Hate the US if you like, but the question is how much is China's. the most brotherly nation to Pakistan, helped Pakistan to shore itself during the era when Pakistan was down in the dumps? Do you think Musharaf is a person who has aligned himself with the US is a vision less person? Why has he not taken China's help? He knows that China is too busy being a global superpower and is interested in only her pursuits and has no desire to spread her money which does not serve her interest.

Pause a minute as a Moslem. Imagine Musharraf is aligning himself to a country that is killing Moslems and Pakistan is willing to kill Moslems for a kaffir nation! The reason, like it or not, is that Pakistan as a nation and its survival is more important than esoteric pursuits. If Pakistan collapses, where will there be Islam! Islam in Pakistan then would be in a void. Musahrraf is a pragmatic man! He knows his onions!

Therefore, when you analyse international relationship, geostrategy or geo politics, religion is not important. Survival is.

As always you are ill-infomed in this regard.

That Telanted lady Taslim Aslam is now made Ambassador and she no more is FO spokesperson.

Next time do your homework Sir

Thank you.

To which nation?

She is India's advantage!