It’s time to be patriotic citizens

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Yes, yes, the "nationality of the terrorists don't matter". That's good logic to suit a very half-brained notion that Pakistan is an indigenous "logistical hub of sunni radicalism". If you can't see the contradiction in this so absurd a statement, then logic is not your forte. You should have seen the number of votes the JUI and other Islamic groups traditionally poll in elections. It's around 2-3% of the votes, if that. Last elections, the MMA were only voted in on an anti-US basis, but there's not traditional support for them in the "logistical terrorism hub"

Unfortunately, the world opinion is that the Pakistani madrassas are the source of world terrorism.

There must be some truth in that since the Pak govt is closely monitoring the madrassas, though they have refused to give the source of their funds.

I wonder if Lal Mazjid madrassa was a school of genuine Islamic education!

Moreover, how is it intellectual dishonesty to say that Kashmir is a different set of circumstances to those of the foreign invasion of the tribal areas? More still, who is terrorising who in Kashmir? I would say the Indian Army are doing so, as are the radicals. The separatists such as the Hizb have been recognized as "sons of the soil" even by the Indian government, whilst the IMU in the tribal areas, the Arabs etc, are terrorists from abroad that were pushed in the tribal lands after the invasion of Afghanistan. Is it being "intellectually dishonest" to say that the Kashmiri insurgency have different and more legitimate goals compared with Al Qaeda that seeks world domination?

The JKLF is the only one which is homegrown.

The Indian govt does not recognises the Hizbs as sons of the soil. The recognise it as the sons of foreign soils.

What drives the foreign terrorists in the tribal areas, and what drives the Kashmir insurgency against India. Two very different causes.

• The drive for the foreign terrorists in the tribal lands is to cause global destruction, a unified Muslim land, and an end to American domination. These imo aren't noble causes (there's ways to be no.1, many of them are achieveable through other means).
• What fans the Kashmir insurgency is totally different, and this is where you're the one that's being intellectually dishonest. There is a certain matter of the forced annexation of their lands by India in the 60s that led to resistance and an uprising in the 70s. If violence in Bangladesh against the Army was justifiable on the grounds that there it was a matter of self-determination, then the fight in Kashmir would be even more justified. Because Kashmiris did not get the referendum prior to their inclusion with India that Bangladesh got.

On the issue of 'forced annexation', much can be said, but then it will be a futile discussion since the lines of opinion are drawn.

And this is assumed nonsense. The tribes supported by Pakistan during the Afghan war were the same as those supported by the US. They have not turned on Pakistan. There is a subtle message put out by these tribes leaders, that I know you would be incapable or just not interested in picking up on. Even some of the most radical Pakistani tribes do not seek a fight with Pakistan. They do want the removal of foreign troops from Afghanistan who are seen as colonialists. Even if they were Tibetan troops on a mission to build lots of houses in Afghanistan they would still be being attacked on account of some non Afghan being in charge. What has come to bite Pakistan are the foreigners, the Arabs and Uzbeks and Tajiks etc, who have paid mercenaries in Pakistan to shelter them. These same groups have not been supported by Pakistan for any particular cause.

Indeed, if these terrorists were not against Pakistan and were only dedicated to liberate Afghanistan of foreign troops, then how come they are fighting against the Pakistan govt and killing the instruments of governance i.e. Pak Troops and Para military? It is hardly the way to show that they are not against Pakistan.

They are not only against Pakistan, there are against everything and every country that is not in consonance with their utopian and ridiculous agenda.

If you read what you've just quoted again, it makes no sense. Tribal Pashtuns have been mobilized by Pakistan to fight alongside the Army, tribal Pashtuns form a fairly sizeable component of the Pakistan Army! DUH. How does this show that radical terrorism is not an alien imposition on Pakistan? If anything this shows that tribal Pashtuns are willing to fight alongside a generally moderate national army, and in many cases against radical militias. Like I said, your evidence that it is not an alien imposition is built of lacklustre logic. Everyone with the slightest clue about Pakistan, and the frontier regions, knows that the deobandi/wahhabist brand of Islam was not introduced until the 80s to school the Afghan resistance.

Just to take a leaf from your argument about Pashtuns in the PA fighting the Taliban, it is also a fact that the JAK LI is fighting the terrorists in India as a a part of the IA.

Hardly a point to indicate that this is the litmus test that the population is totally with the government.

It takes all sorts to make the world and a country. Sooner one understands that, one is better equipped to face the issue with intellectual honesty.

LOL! "predetorial atrocities", that's a good one. Rather than "Indian terrorism" and "Islamist terrorism" you would choose "predetorial atrocities" Oh, how balanced of you! You need to look up the definition of terrorism and see that it is applicable to both a foreign state-sponsored army that kills, tortures, or steals a land by force such as in Kashmir, as it is to foreign rag tag individuals trying to take over another land. I'll quote Mencius and the Oxford dictionary

""When one by force subdues men, they do not submit to him in heart. They submit, because their strength is not adequate to resist."

"(a) Policy intended to strike with terror those against whom it is adopted; (b) the employment of methods of intimidation; (c) the fact of terrorizing or condition of being terrorized."

How does this not apply to Indian forces in Kashmir?

"predetorial atrocities" .

It is a nice phrase that is essential to not start fan emotions.

Rubbish. What it shows is that you are a fascist nit too blinded by all-encompassing religious hatred to see past your own (very long) nose. If you go and harrass someone in the street now, most likely they would flatten you, for every action there is a reaction. For the action of stealing someone's country, there is a reaction. That has caused the Kashmir revolt. If the Indian Army marched into the US tomorrow hypothetically, I'm sure most of the US would revolt. There would be radicals fighting alongside non radicals, the binding cause would be the injustice perpetrated against them. That is what gives impetus to the Kashmir revolt..Injustice NOT Islamic radicalism, and this is what distinguishes it from the foreign maniacs in the tribal areas, who are bringing something of their own issues (that have nothing to do with Pakistan) into the area.

Some may say the same thing about the issues happening on the Pak frontier.

Well that's bs. Kashmir militants are sons of the soil, some radical, some not. Pakistan has supported them in the past, and so have many western countries in fact.

I am sure you have intimate knowledge of the same.

No contest.

Pakistan has supported the militant groups in Kashmir, just as India had supported the militant groups in Bangladesh. What was the difference? One was terrorism, the other was "predetorial atrocities?"

Great, what?

 

[Cheetah786]

We in pakistan have
PUnjabi
PAthan
baloch
muhajir
sindhi
if thats not enough then we have sunni shias funny if u notice this none call them self pakistani first.patriotic yeah most in pakistan dont even respect for what they have.

 

[roadrunner]

Unfortunately, the world opinion is that the Pakistani madrassas are the source of world terrorism.

Oh please! Give me ay credible link where any government (aside from India) has stated this. Pakistani madrassas were a place of indoctrination in the 80s for the Afghan war against the Soviets, funded by the Saudis, the US and Pakistan.

They are currently being reformed. But that they are THE source of world terrorism Credible governmental/UN links please.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Most of the terrorist actions have been traced to the Pakistani madrassas.

Even the suspicion aired first for the terrorist action in the Egyptian seaside resort that adjoins Israel was attributed to Pakistan. It was later discovered that it was indigenous!

Do you seriously want me to give links for what is well known?

I rather not since I don't want to vitiate the atmosphere here.

I do have a library and I do read, apart from having the advantage of practical hands on experience in COIN and hence my interest to know about terrorism, not only as it manifests itself in India, but the world over.

A fascinating subject actually, though most horrendous and stupidly insane!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Try googling CTC magazine Sentinel, which is the brand new mag of US' West Point.

 

[roadrunner]

Most of the terrorist actions have been traced to the Pakistani madrassas.

Even the suspicion aired first for the terrorist action in the Egyptian seaside resort that adjoins Israel was attributed to Pakistan. It was later discovered that it was indigenous!

Do you seriously want me to give links for what is well known?

I rather not since I don't want to vitiate the atmosphere here.

I do have a library and I do read, apart from having the advantage of practical hands on experience in COIN and hence my interest to know about terrorism, not only as it manifests itself in India, but the world over.

A fascinating subject actually, though most horrendous and stupidly insane!

Give me the link Mr "Bridge-builder" that says "world opinion is that Pakistani madrassas are the source of THE world terrorism". One credible link will do from any government in the world, even the UN will be acceptable. Give me a link to click on, else I'll take it you can't find one.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Give me the link Mr "Bridge-builder" that says "world opinion is that Pakistani madrassas are the source of THE world terrorism". One credible link will do from any government in the world, even the UN will be acceptable. Give me a link to click on, else I'll take it you can't find one.

Since you find my bridge building abhorrent and you insist, here is some mild ones, just to bring to your notice I read and you take pleasure, as per your own admission, in not reading.

Volume 3, Issue 10 (March 14, 2006) | Download PDF Version


INSIDE THIS ISSUE:

* Pakistan's Madrassas Provide Safe Haven for al-Qaeda Militants
* New Islamist Group Claims Responsibility for India Attacks
* Danish Cartoons Focus the Jihadi Lens on History
* The Iraqi Media's Response to Recent Sectarian Tension in Iraq
* Al-Qaeda's Tactical Doctrine for the Long War


Pakistan's Madrassas Provide Safe Haven for al-Qaeda Militants

By Farhana Ali
The early March raid against al-Qaeda militants hiding in towns in northern Pakistan, which included the destruction of a madrassa, could raise questions about the continued use of these seminaries for terrorists in the region (Dawn, March 8). On March 7, Pakistani security forces in the town of Miran Shah destroyed the Darul Uloom Faredia Gulshan-I-Ilum, a madrassa owned and managed by radical cleric Maulvi Abdul Khaliq (Dawn, March 8). Pakistani media reports contend the madrassa was used by militants as a meeting place and hideout, raising alarms in the West about other madrassas in the region exploited by al-Qaeda and pro-Taliban groups to skirt authorities and the attention of U.S. military forces on the ground (The News, March 6).

As a visitor to a number of Pakistan's madrassas, it is easy to understand how militants are able to bypass security detection by using an age-old educational institution. Seminaries in the northern areas, including those along the largely unmanned Afghan-Pakistan border, are ideal hideouts for extremists, providing cover, logistics support, and funding for operational activities. To date, few madrassas have been publicly linked to extremist Pakistani groups, partly due to the lack of access to these religious seminaries. Even Western intelligence agencies are not able to collect information from the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP). According to a U.S. Special Forces officer in a private interview, the U.S. has not successfully been able to penetrate the tribal areas or gain entry to the religious schools.

In the March raid, the Pakistani government announced the death of about 140 militants, including five foreigners (Dawn, March 7). The attack was considered a success in the war on terrorism. The larger issue of reigning in extremist-run madrassas is a problem of greater magnitude. Most mullahs insist that there is no proof that madrassas are terrorist factories, even while evidence by Pakistani agencies and Western authorities has identified that some madrassas provide, at a minimum, a safe haven for jihadists. For instance, the Binori Town madrassa in Karachi has been accused of providing safe haven for terrorists; since the accusation, it has improved its image by implementing various security precautions.

Eliminating madrassas with a pro-jihad and anti-West curriculum is likely to only incite further violent action against the government of Pakistan and its Western allies. For example, in response to the latest clashes with the Pakistani army in Waziristan, an al-Qaeda media organization ­in the country—the Information Department of Labik—issued a statement on March 9 saying it will "raise the flag for jihad" until jihadists achieve martyrdom.

To curb the ongoing tit-for-tat violence, Professor Mufti Munib-ur-Rahman, the president of the Tanzeem-ul-Madaris Pakistan and the chairman of a national madrassa committee, said in a personal interview in December 2005, "The U.S. should provide constructive aid to madrassas rather than corrupt Muslim regimes, like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait"—an irony considering that Gulf aid for years has provided financial incentives for madrassa programs across Pakistan. Today, however, many mullahs argue that they do not need external funding due to the profits these seminaries receive by the "public" in the name of charity after weekly Friday sermons from the country's mosques.

In the interim, Pakistan's policy in the war on terrorism will involve further skirmishes with al-Qaeda and affiliated groups unless the government finds alternatives to violence and constructive ways to oppose the extremist current in the north of the country.

Pakistan's Madrassas Provide Safe Haven for al-Qaeda Militants

Since you want it, I am reproducing one of the mild ones.

When it comes to formenting and supporting terrorism, Pakistan is still the main threat to the world

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Please note you asked for it once again, even though I said I would rather not.

It is not my intention to unnecessarily bring in issues that are not pleasant.

I rather build bridge of friendship as much as I can do.

I rather take pleasure in finding commonalities than ones that divide and create hatred. That is unless provoked or challenged!

 

[roadrunner]

Since you want it, I am reproducing one of the mild ones.
It is not my intention to unnecessarily bring in issues that are not pleasant.

That article does not prove what you said it would prove....namely that "world opinion is that the Pakistani madrassas are the source of world terrorism"

Your article by "Farhana Ali", whoever she is, does not say that Pakistani madrassas are a source of world terrorism. We know, for example, that Al Qaeda is a diffuse origanization with presence not only in Pakistan, but India, Sudan, the US, Italy, Germany, and all over the world. What your article does say is this

"To date, few madrassas have been publicly linked to extremist Pakistani groups, partly due to the lack of access to these religious seminaries."

So noone has been able to make some firm link, and certainly no "worldly opinion"! Like I said, point out ONE government in the world that has said that Pakistan's madrassahs are a source of WORLD terrorism. That was what I disagreed with you about, not that some of these madrassahs do produce some fighters who head off to Afghanistan to fight the US and Afghan government troops. Link me to a credible source saying a government has linked them as a source of WORLD terrorism (you should know the world is bigger than Pakistan, except in your head!).

 

[roadrunner]

When it comes to formenting and supporting terrorism, Pakistan is still the main threat to the world

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Dude, your link shows that this has been written on a civilian's website! Not even a reputable company's website!! DUH! Give me a CREDIBLE LINK that says any single government in the world has linked Pakistani madrassahs as a cause of THE WORLD'S TERRORISM. This was your quote, I'm calling you on this, and you're providing a load of links to dodgy websites that express people's OPINIONS in some cases!

If all you have are opinions of the websites of some people in obscurity such as from "mebres.lycos.fr", then you really have about as weak a case as an axe murderer denying a murder charge while holding a blood stained axe in a court of law!!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I told you that it was the mild ones including the second one -

When it comes to fomenting and supporting terrorism, Pakistan is still the main threat to the world

Why are you forcing me into something that I feel is not worth the trouble except mentioning in generalisation since the links and facts are unpalatable.

 

[IceCold]

Since you want it, I am reproducing one of the mild ones.





It is not my intention to unnecessarily bring in issues that are not pleasant.

Well i dont wanted to get involved in this matter but since you came with an article pointing out pakistan to be a terrorist state, somehow i couldnt resist myself.
Coming on the artice, the impression i got is that basically an issue is being addressed relating to pakistan with respect to the indian complain of pakistan sponspering terrorism in kashmir and punjab. Well the fact is that Pakistan has openly committed helping the kashmiri freedom fighters both morally and politicaly however the difference lies in both point of views. While pakistan saw it a freedom struggle, both india and west saw it the other way. And while you may not change the opinion, perhaps the other opinion could not be forced upon as well. As for the US, its something not new all countries that does not follow US agenga are put under terrorist list. All the countries mentioned in the artice, Iran, Libya, Syria etc, these are the countries which refuse to accept US dominace in the region along with isreal and hence they are put under terrorism list. As US is the superpower and has the ability to do so, so she does but otherwise its nothing more then achieving personal agenda.
For instance let me quote you with an another example here, you might wana object but lets for now not go there. India is involved in constant terrorsim with the help of puppet government of karzai under the so called watchfull eye of the US. Because that serves US interest also not to get chinese settle at gawadar, hence they are allowing it to full extent. Now tell me in such a case where open sponspered terrorism is going on, but because we are a small country we cannot openly call US a terrorist spospering state. OR can we. So you see its all about ones prepective in seeing things. As for you saying that all the terrorism in the world in linked to pakistan well my friend if that would had been the case then afghanistan or iraq would not had been targeted.

 

[roadrunner]

I told you that it was the mild ones including the second one -

When it comes to fomenting and supporting terrorism, Pakistan is still the main threat to the world

Why are you forcing me into something that I feel is not worth the trouble except mentioning in generalisation since the links and facts are unpalatable.

Salim. You know as well as I do, that you can post any article here, and it can be discussed. Why do you insist on hiding behind this bridge-building cloak when you are really just running away from trying to prove what you said, because you cannot prove it. So be it, I don't care either way, I just point out bogus stuff!!

But in case you have a change of mind. Here it is again. Prove that "world opinion is that Pakistani madrassas are the source of world terrorism". One credible link will do from any government in the world, even the UN will be acceptable.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Deleted.

However, just check whether the events and figures mentioned in the next post can be refuted.

You asked for it and I can only but agree, especially when you wish to indicate that I am running away!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Salim. You know as well as I do, that you can post any article here, and it can be discussed. Why do you insist on hiding behind this bridge-building cloak when you are really just running away from trying to prove what you said, because you cannot prove it. So be it, I don't care either way, I just point out bogus stuff!!

But in case you have a change of mind. Here it is again. Prove

Pakistani role in terrorist attacks on America, upto 9/11/2002. [NK 021112]

Perpetrators and conspirators:

· Jaish-e-Muhammed mullah Masood Azhar linked to attacks on Americans in Somalia.

· 1993 WTC bomber Ramzi Youssef traced to Pakistan; tied to 1995 plot to bomb 12 US airliners. Pakistani arrested in Phillippines with explosives in apartment, tied to airline bombing plot.

· Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Pakistani, on FBI Wanted alert, related to 9/11, Razmi Youssef and Tunisian synagogue bombing.

· Tunisian suicide bomber Nawar traced to Pakistan training camp in 2000/2001. Receives $20K from Pakistani sources.

· Would-be LAX bomber (Algerian native) reveals Pak coordination and reporting locations.

· Abu Zubeidah, Al Qaeda coordinator of LAX bomb plot, lived in Faisalabad, Pakistan.

· 1993 Bombay commercial district bombings (over 300 dead) – Dawood Ibrahim sheltered from Interpol in house near Musharraf’s residence. TIME journalist harassed for reporting his location.

· East Africa embassy bombing coordinator flew home to Pakistan, 1998; Kenyan suspect Sheikh Ahmed Salim found in Karachi, July 2002.

· Terror training camps found related to embassy bombings –Harkat-ul-Ansar camps hit by US cruise missiles in 1998 were inside Pakistan.

· Fatal hijacking – PanAm 73, Karachi, 1986. Hijacker(s) allowed to escape; caught in 2002 and put on trial.

· Fatal hijacking IC814, Dec.99– hijackers now in Pakistan, sought as part of Daniel Pearl murder gang. Dress rehearsal for 9/11 – modus operandi included slitting throats of passengers, and commercial-pilot-trained hijackers expert in hand-to-hand combat.

· Mohammed Atta’s classmate at Hamburg engineering school, 97-2000 was PAF Squadron leader.

· PAF Squadron Leader replaced by Atta’s cousin – 9/11 hijacker when PAF officer’s brother died.

· Omar Shaikh traced to ISI / Gen. Mehmood Ahmed links. Wired first $100K to Atta in summer 2000 on Ahmed’s orders: cell phone call intercept.

· Atta’s pilot-trainee Pak classmate denied entry to US; meets with Atta and another Pak terrorist in Spain, July 10, 2001.

· Zacarias Moussaoui trained in Pakistan.

· Moussaoui came from Pakistan to London & US with $35K in 2001; sought B747 training.

· Bin Laden’s personal pilot reported to be former PAF officer.

· Pak terror cells arrested in France, Miami.

· Pakistani in a hurry to get 25 photos of WTC developed, 2 weeks before 9/11.

· Pakistanis arrested on fraud; bogus company that bought industrial chemical mixer.

· Richard Reid (accused Shoe Bomber) trained and received final instructions from Pakistan; related Pak cell arrested in France.

· Jose Padilla (accused Dirty Bomber) trained and came to US from Pakistan; Pak associates arrested in US.

· John Walker Lindh (American Taliban) trained in Azad Kashmir.

· Singapore US embassy bomb plot: Kuwaiti-Canadian suspect indoctrinated in Pakistan.

· Previous bombing plots had Pak coordinators; Afghan camps had Pak military instructors.

Official Pakistani Government Links to Terrorist Organizations

· Dominant Pakistani role in Taliban Afghanistan

· Pak Govt. sponsorship of Osama bin Laden’s return to Afghanistan, 1996 via drug lord

· Pak Govt. sponsorship of terror camps on both sides of the Pak-Afghan border.

· Pak acquiescence in Osama’s Fatwas against the US – 1996 and ’98; Bin Laden proclamation in ’98 of “God’s Order to Kill Americans” in Peshawar, Pakistan.

· Pak Lt. Gen. Aziz reported head of “Pakistan Army of Islam” running terror camps.

· Pak military instructors for terror trainees in Afghanistan - FlightSim and training manuals found in Afghanistan; IC814 hijack plot material found in Kabul house; hijackers and Omar Shaikh found living in Pakistan.

· Kolkatta US Consulate attack organizer Aftab Ansari put kidnap ransom money in account which paid $100K to Atta.

· ISI Chief Mehmood Ahmed reported to have ordered Omar Shaikh to send money to Atta

· Omar Shaikh reportedly receives balance of funds wired by Atta & gang on 9/11 from Ansari Bank; flies back to Pakistan.

· Pakistan Lt.Gen. Hamid Gul – fired ISI chief – virulently anti-American terror camp organizer – in Afghanistan for weeks; returns to party at ISI HQ, meeting Musharraf on 9/09 after Northern Alliance leader Masood was assassinated.

· 9/12 emergency military evacuation from Afghanistan to Pakistan completed within far too little time to have been thought up after 9/11 attacks.

· Timing – Atta extends lease for 30 days as Musharraf visit to US looks headed for disaster.

· Pak envoy M. Lodhi asserts that the ISI does not act without government authorization.

· General Musharraf takes full responsibility for ISI actions – repeatedly and vehemently.

Table 2: Pakistani Terrorism Other than in India Between 9/11/2002 and 10/20/2003

· US 505th Parachute Regiment captures 8 Al Qaeda including a financier with documents from Pakistan Foreign Ministry [Chilcote 020911]

· Italian Police Arrest 15 Pakistani Al Qaeda Suspects [Yhoo 020912]

· Ramzi bin al-Shibh, the suspected member of Al Qaeda captured in Karachi [NYT020917]

· US to execute Pakistani for CIA shootings [WP 020917]

· Al-Qaida, ISI cell in Portugal? [Sharma 020922]

· Kuwait Authorities Arrest Teenager With Explosives”..received orders from Pakistan over the Internet to place the explosives in the towers.” [WSJ 021019]

· Pakistan police said to detain doctor over anthrax - accused him of supplying anthrax to Islamic militant groups [Alertnet 021028]

· Girlfriend Tells German Court About Sept 11 (hijacker) Pilot “Ziad Jarrah, .. had visited Pakistan, and returned with a plan to train as a pilot. [Yhoo 021119]

· Reuters: U.S. Troop Killer Fled to Pakistan, U.S. Says [Reuters 021222]

· France Arrests Six (Algerians and Pakistanis) in Shoe Bomb Probe [Yhoo 021126]

· Kuwaiti Confesses to Killing American (under Pakistani orders) [Wpost 030123]

· Khalid Sheikh Mohammed arrested in Rawalpindi – from the house of a Pak politician. [BBC 030304 ]

· 32 blades, no explanation (Pakistani detained at DFW airport). [Heinzl 030531]

· Al Qaida Recruits Scientists For Wmd Attack [MENL030606]

· Karzai accuses Pakistan of car bombing Germans to death. [NYT 030609]

· "Grenade launcher" was found at the Maryland home of Masoud Khan, a U.S.-born, Pakistani-reared kitchen designer. [STLP 030612]

· Police and Terror Suspects Die in Mecca Shootout (included Pakistanis) [Bradley 030615]

· “Ohio al-Qaida suspect pleads guilty - Truck driver suspected of plotting attack on Brooklyn Bridge” [MSNBC 030619] (Pakistani – confessed getting orders in Pakistan)

· Pak freezes accounts of Osama, HuM [SIFY 030621] (a full 21 months after 9/11/2001)

· Pak citizen charged with terrorism in UK (HT 030623]

· Pakistani Man Charged With Lying to FBI About Threat to NYC [FOX030623]

· 9/11 Funds Traced to Pakistan Accounts :[Yahoo 030801] “..FBI .. have "traced the origin of the funding of 9/11 back to financial accounts in Pakistan, where high-ranking and well-known al-Qaida operatives played a major role in moving the money forward, eventually into the hands of the hijackers located in the U.S."

· 'Virginia Jihad Network' Case: “the men's ultimate goal was "to fight American soldiers" [Wpost 030801]

· Portland terror suspect admits trying to aid Taliban [Estimada 030806]

· “The perpetrators of the deadly car bombing at Jakarta's Marriott Hotel trained with al-Qaida in Afghanistan and Pakistan” [MSNBC 030808]

· Gen Barry McCaffery confirms on CNBC that Pakistani terrorists are attacking US troops in Iraq. [CNBC 030808]

· “Mrs. Galt said she has gone as far as setting up Web sites for some notorious groups, including the al Qaeda-affiliated Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan… Other intelligence coups by Mrs. Galt include a revelation that terrorist groups in Pakistan have been conducting experiments with chemical weapons.” [Wtimes 030809]

· “Pakistani students being sent by UK-based Islamic organisations like Hizb al-Tahrir and al-Muhajirun to Pakistan openly call for the overthrow of democracy and the establishment of a “khilafat”.” [LDT 030812]

· Two Pakistanis arrested at Sea-Tac; one man's name on terror list [SeaTimes 030813]

· 20 killed in Afghanistan; Taliban, are using bases in Pakistan to launch cross-border attacks. [RMT 030813]

· CIA knew 9/11 hijacker's flight training plans: [Rediff030820]

· Pakistani millionaire and Pak-American son arrested on charges of transporting material for Al Qaida.

· Rag trade terror plot - Al Qaeda sought Garment Center tie [NYD 030822]

· Nineteen held in case with 9/11 (in Canada) [Reuters 030822]

· Thai police arrests 3 Pakis for suspected terror link [PTI 030823]

· Bremer: Foreign Fighters a Growing Problem in Iraq [Frank 030824]

· Nepal expels Pak diplomat Codename: “Mustafa” caught with counterfeit currency. [NEPAL 030824]

· Last year the FBI concluded that terrorists are eagerly surveying weaknesses in power grids through Internet connections in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and Pakistan. [Hirsh 030825]

· Three Men Arrested in UK Port Bomb Alert [Reuters 030829]

· Pak Army role in terrorism against USA; 20 army officers face probe: Links with Al Qaeda ; 12 more soldiers under investigation [DAWN 030901]

· Mumbai bomb blast arrests point to Pakistan: “Hanif received instructions from an outfit in Saudi Arabia, which in turn was commanded by an outfit in Pakistan”. [Diwanji 030901]

· Confessions of a Terrorist: Al-Qaeda leader reveals Osama-Pak ties. ”When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-bin Laden triangle”. [McGeary 030908]

· Taliban pouring into Afghanistan from Pakistan: US commander [LDT 030909]

· US sniper 'linked to terror cult' : Muhammad has been connected to Al Fuqra, ..linked to British shoe bomber Richard Reid and the murderers of American journalist Daniel Pearl in Pakistan last year. [Langton 031014]

· (Pakistani-American) Engineer guilty of conspiracy, gun charges, training with a Pakistani terrorist group, pleaded guilty yesterday to aiding a conspiracy and gun charges. [PhilIy 030923]

· Al-Qaeda Terror Plot In Britain: Man Held (35-year-old Pakistani in Bomb plot) [Edwards 031011]

· Three Harkat-ul-Jehadi-e-Islami (Army of Islam) terrorists to 10 years in prison for their role in a plot to assassinate President A P J Abdul Kalam and abduct cricketers Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly. [PTI 031018]


BHARAT RAKSHAK MONITOR - Volume 6(3) November December 2003

You want to know, well here is some.

Note: You wanted it and challenged me repeatedly inspite of my indicating that I did not want to append.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Icecold,

I don't want to get into this discussion.

It is only since he (RR) challenged me that I have appended the articles.

Repeated challenges!!!!

And these are the more mild ones so that it does not create any uncontrollable bad blood.

It is not my intention to hurt any sentiments since what has happened in the world has happened, it cannot be changed.

Let us look beyond and into more pleasanter future!

Yes, let us BUILD BRIDGES and not BURN BRIDGES!

When I was new to the forums, I had the excitement to debate in an adversarial manner. As time has gone along and I have come to know people, I realised the people are basically very good and cannot be held responsible for what is happening in the world. After all, they are not the one who are doing what appears reprehensible and they are not the government.

Yes, I would still debate and as far as possible not to ruffle feather and instead acquire more knowledge of the world, of which I know so little, inspite of my extensive reading and visiting blogs forums and on line commentaries.

But if goaded, then though I regret intensely to do so, will answer as best as I can and even then take pains to see that what I write does not hurt too much.

I am sure you will not hold me at fault since RR has repeatedly chided me even sarcastically that I was running away.

As a soldier I cannot run away.

I have learnt from Agnostic Muslim a lot and I believe he is but a student!

I wish there were more of Agnostic Muslims!