US Considers F-35 Aircraft Sale To UAE

[The SC]

it is Rostec that will co develop. developing based on mig 29 twin engine. the aim is to sell it to neighbors as well.
Sukhoi is not there Sukhoi don't work on small jets.

Sukhoi will be involved with its 5th G tech this is a fact.. look for the sources

 

[BHarwana]

i have looked it is Rostec there is no name of Sukhoi and Sukhoi never gets involved in small jets that is why development phase will take 8 to 7 years minimum because Rostec is involved it if was Sukhoi the development would be hardly a 1 to 2 years and the jets will be manufactured in UAE and will be sold to Arab nations around this is giving direct competition to UAS fighter jets cause every one wants 5th gen and no one will settle for 4th gen Americans are trying to sell to arab world and keep Israeli advantage, that is why UAE is being offered F35 to drop the idea of development but lets see where this all ends.

 

[blain2]

lol, UAE will never get it

They will get it. LM is already looking into a downgraded export version for supply to various countries outside of tier 1. This is like the early 80s with the F-16s. Eventually F-35 will be sold all over the Middle East. There is money to be made by LM. They have not invested billions to sell only to shrinking European defence budgets.

 

[Khafee]

What happen to Rafale ? @Khafee bhai Ameriki maal is on list again ?

Still on the table, but the number being quoted - "60", is not approved as of yet.

Secondly, the issue of specs vs delivery.

You mean to say UAE is going ahead with both projects. The Russian JV still stands if US agrees?
And this JV will be with Mikoyan because Sukhoi is already busy with the PAK-FA or will UAE take over from India but PAK-FA is not light weight. So it will Mikoyan definitely. And these jets are strictly for Yemen Syria and Lebanon (in whole Iran) Because these planes cannot bomb Israel as it is in software restriction.

They will get it. LM is already looking into a downgraded export version for supply to various countries outside of tier 1. This is like the early 80s with the F-16s. Eventually F-35 will be sold all over the Middle East. There is money to be made by LM. They have not invested billions to sell only to shrinking European defence budgets.

You mean like the Blk60?

Sukhoi have joined the JV too..this deal is with the Russian Arms state company overseeing both Mikoyan and Sukhoi companies..

There are no software restriction, the UAE will get the standard F-35 as every other US ally, and most likely will all the upgrades of the next 10 years.. the UAE does not share any borders with Usrael..KSA is next to Southern Usrael, that is from where the complications arise, but there is a simple solution for that: KSA won't station its F-35 fighters near Usrael..KSA is quite big and has many airbases all over the country..

When the Saudis get the F35, it will be the same specs, as the USAF / IAF. The time of downgraded exports, is over.

 

[blain2]

You mean like the Blk60?

You may know more but I do not think the UAE will get a "Blk60" type of custom variant with capabilities the same as USAF/IDF. There is a concept of maintaining Qualitative Military Edge (QME) in the middle east for a certain country that the US Congress and State Department have to adhere to by law! That means that for the next generation aircraft (5th), LM would need to offer something that does not erode this QME for quite some time. There is already talk of offering an export version with more limited capabilities.

RSAF getting the same variant as USAF/IDF is not possible either. The architecture for IDF's F-35 has been quite different from what the other tier one countries have been offered. Essentially, thanks to the lobbying done by the various pro-Israel entities, LM dealt with Israel at the same level as the US DoD. Their specific/custom requirements were agreed to directly by LM. This won't be the case for most other countries. And with the point around QME, Saudis or Emeratis getting something that comes close to the IDF variants is very unlikely.

 

[The SC]

You may know more but I do not think the UAE will get a "Blk60" type of custom variant with capabilities the same as USAF/IDF. There is a concept of maintaining Qualitative Military Edge (QME) in the middle east for a certain country that the US Congress and State Department have to adhere to by law! That means that for the next generation aircraft (5th), LM would need to offer something that does not erode this QME for quite some time. There is already talk of offering an export version with more limited capabilities.

RSAF getting the same variant as USAF/IDF is not possible either. The architecture for IDF's F-35 has been quite different from what the other tier one countries have been offered. Essentially, thanks to the lobbying done by the various pro-Israel entities, LM dealt with Israel at the same level as the US DoD. Their specific/custom requirements were agreed to directly by LM. This won't be the case for most other countries. And with the point around QME, Saudis or Emeratis getting something that comes close to the IDF variants is very unlikely.

There is no USAF/IDF per se..there is a standard variant that has Usraeli components on it for IDF.. All the others are standard USA..

 

[Gomig-21]

The time of downgraded exports, is over.

Indeed. With other sources uping their game and offering competitive choices, the US' monopoly on military exports with harsh restrictions will become much more difficult to maintain, especially to those who don't have affordability issues.

 

[Khafee]

You may know more but I do not think the UAE will get a "Blk60" type of custom variant with capabilities the same as USAF/IDF. There is a concept of maintaining Qualitative Military Edge (QME) in the middle east for a certain country that the US Congress and State Department have to adhere to by law! That means that for the next generation aircraft (5th), LM would need to offer something that does not erode this QME for quite some time. There is already talk of offering an export version with more limited capabilities.

RSAF getting the same variant as USAF/IDF is not possible either. The architecture for IDF's F-35 has been quite different from what the other tier one countries have been offered. Essentially, thanks to the lobbying done by the various pro-Israel entities, LM dealt with Israel at the same level as the US DoD. Their specific/custom requirements were agreed to directly by LM. This won't be the case for most other countries. And with the point around QME, Saudis or Emeratis getting something that comes close to the IDF variants is very unlikely.

1) You do understand, that until the Adir came in, the Blk60 was the most technologically advanced a/c in the region?

2) I don't like talking about things that are not out there in the public realm, so lets leave it at that.

 

[Sinnerman108]

1) You do understand, that until the Adir came in, the Blk60 was the most technologically advanced a/c in the region?

2) I don't like talking about things that are not out there in the public realm, so lets leave it at that.

The Russians are developing a variant for UAE ?

 

[Khafee]

The Russians are developing a variant for UAE ?

Hold your horses, all in good time

 

[DavidSling]

By: Chirine Mchantaf and Agnes Al Helou   1 day ago

US Air Force official confirms rumors of F-35 talks with UAE
If negotiations are successful, the United Arab Emirates would be the first Gulf state to obtain the F-35 joint strike fighter.

By: Valerie Insinna
At the air show, the deputy commander of the UAE Air Force and air defense, Brig. Gen. Rashed M. Al Shamsi stressed the importance of “strengthening the UAE air capacity” in response to a question about the potential F-35 acquisition. He noted that “equipping the Air Force requires connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, enhanced intelligence collection and distribution of the capabilities, a responsive and persistent C4ISR, and a timely and reactive dynamic targeting process.”

For his part, Staff Maj. Gen. pilot Abdullah A.Al Hashimi, assistant undersecretary for support services in the UAE ministry of defense, commented on the matter: “We in the UAE already live in a 5th generation environment; so acquiring the F-35 fighter jet is only a step forward to cope with the 5th generation mindset.”

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is also seeking to procure the F-35 jets, and talks are making an important progress, as stated by officials who refused to be named.

Gen. Stephen Wilson, the Air Force’s vice chief of staff, stressed the importance of the United State’s ongoing pursuit of potential new F-35 customers including the Gulf nation, since “we share threats, interests and responsibilities. We are going to explore options for those nations and partners to benefit from this capability.”

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The vice chief of staff also replied to a question about possible adaptations needed for the F-35 to operate effectively in the Gulf environment, stating that “the fighter is used globally and doesn’t need any accommodations. The 5th-generation concept is about the sensor fusing of information and its networking.”

Ahmad Temsah, CEO of the Center on Regional & Eastern Studies, pointed to the growing Iranian threat as the key motivator to acquiring the F-35, adding that “nowadays, the main Gulf states enemy is Iran, an imminent and dangerous aggression.”


Emirati minister: Iran is a greater threat than al-Qaida, ISIS
A top UAE official warned a high-powered gathering of U.S. government, military and business leaders on Sunday that Iranian-sponsored terror, while "similar" to al-Qaeda and ISI "has greater potential" for impacting negatively on the region and the world.

By: Barbara Opall-Rome
The UAE Air Force is also working on modernizing its pilot training schools by introducing a field training program focused on air encounters similar to the ones adopted by countries in Europe and the U.S.

Air Commander Philippe Adam, commander for operations in the aviation brigade at the French Air Force said that “the UAE military capabilities are getting better with time, and this was reflected in the Yemeni conflict. It is astonishing what they have accomplished in few years.”

“The challenge they might face in the near future is the know-how to use [new] systems in the battlefield,” as well as improvements to intelligence and surveillance capabilities, he added.

The UAE Air Force relies primarily today on 124 F-16 Block 60 and 65 Mirage-2000 fighter jets, which have been battle proven in the Yemeni conflict among others.

To read more news on Middle East defense in Arabic, visit SDArabia.com.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital.../uae-undertakes-air-force-restructuring-plan/

 

[Indus Pakistan]

UAE being vanguard of the ummah surely would these F-35s pose a threat to Israel?

 

[DavidSling]

UAE being vanguard of the ummah surely would these F-35s pose a threat to Israel?

With or without trolling, we all know that if they're talking about it there's Israel consent for the issue

 

[YeBeWarned]

With or without trolling, we all know that if they're talking about it there's Israel consent for the issue

UAE or KSA is no threat to Israel ...

 

[DavidSling]

UAE or KSA is no threat to Israel ...

At the moment, there's no knowing in the middle east.
Surely, if aliens will land on earth, unlike american movies, we all know where the conflict will occur