US Considers F-35 Aircraft Sale To UAE

[The SC]

Your real line of argument is that Mig's aircraft will be designed for air superiority while the F-35 is designed for ground strike. That's the main difference.

More like for air defence/multirole.. the SU-35 will be for air superiority..

Have you seen the nature of my interventions ? Of course not. We do not want to produce 5th gen fighters. We know very well that we can not - for the moment -.

We are not totally stupid - Contrary to what some people absolutely want to show in this forum -.

We want to produce “elements”, elements of this fighter. We already do it with the F-15SA (See 2 first videos) :

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/did-...ngs-visit-to-china.492460/page-2#post-9432302

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-considers-f-35-aircraft-sale-to-uae.527330/page-6#post-10014696

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-considers-f-35-aircraft-sale-to-uae.527330/page-6#post-10014680

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-considers-f-35-aircraft-sale-to-uae.527330/page-5#post-10014643

There is no reason that prevents us that we do it also with the F-35.
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The UAE -Russian JV for the lightweight 5th generation fighter will give birth to the first fighter in 7 or 8 years, then comes testing, weapons integration, serial production, pilots training and so many other requirement, that in reality it will take between 10 to 15 years from now to field the fighter planes in the UAE airforce..So 8 years from now the UAE would have mastered most of the 5th Generation technologies..

 

[randomradio]

I was referring to the sanctions on Russia, not Iran. Even though Russian sanctions don't prevent them from selling military hardware vs purchasing, it usually does have an effect when it comes to selling offensive weapons to certain countries that are viewed within the "axis of evil" (not my saying BTW just to be clear.) As you well know, the Su-30 is not a defensive weapon and Iran getting those will not only throw Israel into a tizzy, panicked mode, but the US also and I think they'll put tremendous pressure on Russia.

The west can't do anything about Iran getting new conventional weapons as long as the Iranians don't pursue their nuclear program. But once they get enough conventional firepower, who knows?

The Su-30 and T-90 deals will not change anything right away, but the GCC and Israelis fear an Iran 10 years later because of the huge population difference. That's also why the Qataris are showing the finger to everybody and their grandmother with respect to Iran.

But to your point, with Trump not re-certifying the INARA, and depending on what might transpire prior to 2022, the JCPOA could very well extend beyond that. Besides, the window of opportunity for the Israelis to fulfill their dream of being the first to use the F-35 in a war scenario is too much of a temptation for their greedy senses to let that chance slip away, and they'll most certainly attempt an attack on Iran prior to that date which will throw that entire agreement for a loop and those warmongering freaks will love throwing the ME back into a major turmoil since they thrive and live for that. They won't wait until Iran gets anything remotely close to the Su-30. Isn't it obvious that not even a level 3 partner to the JSF program, and merely a Security Cooperative Participant, equal to Singapore, has already received the most F-35s than any of the other top tier members? And they're not even paying for them! I don't think the writing on the wall could be any clearer.

There's no point attacking Iran. If there was, the Israelis would have done it long ago.

 

[Signalian]

Can you please clarify by "in UAE" ?

who is UAE enemy in the region

 

[Gomig-21]

The west can't do anything about Iran getting new conventional weapons as long as the Iranians don't pursue their nuclear program.

You forget what happened in Iraq? Iran is perceived as an even bigger threat than Iraq ever was.

The Su-30 and T-90 deals will not change anything right away, but the GCC and Israelis fear an Iran 10 years later because of the huge population difference.

GCC reasons are completely different than the Israeli's.

That's also why the Qataris are showing the finger to everybody and their grandmother with respect to Iran.

Qatar is insignificant. It's little pinky is only waiving because it has the US' backing. They're slowly being put in their place anyway and for very good reasons.

There's no point attacking Iran. If there was, the Israelis would have done it long ago.

They never had the capabilities nor did they have US permission, either. Now is a different story with this administration and you seem to forget the Hezbollah/Syria threat. That's not only still very much a big problem but it's getting and will get much worst. It's beyond obvious why these F-35s are coming in fast and furious, even the thought of acquiring the F-35B for exactly those reasons. There's still a capability issue even with these aircraft considering not only the difficulty, but effectiveness of any strike with the way the installations are set up, as well as defenses and any form of retaliation.

 

[randomradio]

You forget what happened in Iraq? Iran is perceived as an even bigger threat than Iraq ever was.

The US won't go to war on Iran right now, the Russians will threaten all out war. Iran technically borders Russia, the Caspian Sea, they will not allow Iran to fall. Russia is the reason why Iran still exists.

GCC reasons are completely different than the Israeli's.

The politics of the region is pretty much the same. The stance of the GCC and Israel are the same with respect to Iran. Both want Iran gone.

Qatar is insignificant. It's little pinky is only waiving because it has the US' backing. They're slowly being put in their place anyway and for very good reasons.

Qatar is really significant. They wouldn't have stood up to the GCC if it wasn't for Iran.

They never had the capabilities nor did they have US permission, either. Now is a different story with this administration and you seem to forget the Hezbollah/Syria threat. That's not only still very much a big problem but it's getting and will get much worst. It's beyond obvious why these F-35s are coming in fast and furious, even the thought of acquiring the F-35B for exactly those reasons. There's still a capability issue even with these aircraft considering not only the difficulty, but effectiveness of any strike with the way the installations are set up, as well as defenses and any form of retaliation.

Russia.

Those F-35s are not going to do anything.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It seems US is not open to giving UAE the F-35 for a while.
UAE should go for SU-57 with TOT, and localization of production of some parts. It should also go for weapons integration of indigenous weapons for outboard pylons when flying non-stealthy. Russia has offered TOT for UAE if it has facilities able to handle.
https://www.defensenews.com/video/2...-russian-su-57-su-35-jets-dubai-airshow-2019/

@vostok
Can NATO standard weapons be integrated on Russian platforms?

 

[Turan09]

It seems US is not open to giving UAE the F-35 for a while.
UAE should go for SU-57 with TOT, and localization of production of some parts. It should also go for weapons integration of indigenous weapons for outboard pylons when flying non-stealthy. Russia has offered TOT for UAE if it has facilities able to handle.
https://www.defensenews.com/video/2...-russian-su-57-su-35-jets-dubai-airshow-2019/

@vostok
Can NATO standard weapons be integrated on Russian platforms?

Azerbaijani Mig-29's Can use SOM. And some other Turkish ammunitions too... so technically possible.
But Of course it depends on the NATO country you want to buy weapons from... and russian permission...