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Where's the proof for 30%+ losses?I should have taken this bet
The Russians were annihilated in the north
It looks like they retreated in order and kept their equipment.
No pictures of miles upon miles of destroyed vehicles that you'd expect from a rout.
No video of Ukrainian troops in contact even 5 days after the retreat.
Read the forum. They are withdrawing as stated in the negotiations.
Despite what many say, they were in the area simply to tie down Ukrainian forces.
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That’s the problem with some people arguing about Ukrainians deserve to be killed because a: Russia is peaceful, b: Russian army is peaceful. If they wage war then it will be a peaceful war.
Seriously, Ukraine should develop nuclear weapons as soon as possible.
Once Ukraine possesses nuclear weapons those people will shut up automatically.
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It was nothing but the massacre carried out by the Russians in Bucha. Babies killed by bullets in the abdomen, mothers killed while they were tried to cover their children, mass graves covered with sand in the playground... What we saw in Syria, what we saw in the siege around Tripoli, now, similar things happening around Kiev.
People in the soup queue were shot at. Even pregnant women were raped. People were executed with their hands tied behind their backs. People were executed by being thrown into the sewer well. Not isolated incidents, but over and over again in many place... In some towns, vehicles were unable to even pass through the streets because of human bodies... If these aren't a reflex of Nazism, what else could be?
Nazism is a crime against humanity. However, politics is such a dangerous tool that you can accuse the other party of Nazism while whats exactly doing is a Nazizm.
People in the soup queue were shot at. Even pregnant women were raped. People were executed with their hands tied behind their backs. People were executed by being thrown into the sewer well. Not isolated incidents, but over and over again in many place... In some towns, vehicles were unable to even pass through the streets because of human bodies... If these aren't a reflex of Nazism, what else could be?
Nazism is a crime against humanity. However, politics is such a dangerous tool that you can accuse the other party of Nazism while whats exactly doing is a Nazizm.
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unfortunately, we have been flooded by paid bots on the forum to spread fake and disinformation.It was nothing but the massacre carried out by the Russians in Bucha. Babies killed by bullets in the abdomen, mothers killed while they were tried to cover their children, mass graves covered with sand in the playground... What we saw in Syria, what we saw in the siege around Tripoli, now, similar things happening around Kiev.
People in the soup queue were shot at. Even pregnant women were raped. People were executed with their hands tied behind their backs. People were executed by being thrown into the sewer well. Not isolated incidents, but over and over again in many place... In some towns, vehicles were unable to even pass through the streets because of human bodies... If these aren't a reflex of Nazism, what else could be?
Nazism is a crime against humanity. However, politics is such a dangerous tool that you can accuse the other party of Nazism while whats exactly doing is a Nazizm.
Russia Putin has shown himself to be a true Nazi; what his forces are doing is sheer brutality. Cluster bombs, civilian massacres, rapes, total destructions.... however to add insult to people's intelligence to show it as being idiots to believe Stalin's rooted disinformation department brigade.
When they will put Putin's neck in the noose and hang him like Romanian communist imbeciles.
These are fake FSB media.... nothing surprises me with the level of fakes these people are getting to.
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They would never withdraw, if they were able to take kiev right ?
Russia is supposed to be a global military power! Them not being able to take the capital of ukraine is itself a defeat !
As a casual observer i thought this war would be over by a month with ukrains capitulation. But Instead we see russians retreating and changing their goals. 1
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It is a waste; this forum is just overrun with propaganda ministries from Russia/China = The moderators just dont have it in them to clean out this rifraf permanently.
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Day 40
Well, I never thought I would still be writing this in Day 40. But here we are, at Day 40 (About to go to Day 41) of the War in Ukraine. Fighting continue.
Here are the situation as of Day 40
So, what's happening?
Russia is Culminated
We hear this a thousand time, but what does that mean?
In war, a force is culminated means they are at the high tide mark and can no longer progress forward, usually at the end of their logistic capability. Further gain is unlikely at this point unless a serious reshape and re-contribution to the combat operation at hand.
Russia at this point reached the high tide mark for the entire operation, The Northern arm has been beaten back, and Ukrainian is counter attacking North East Ukraine. Russia pull off all the force in North and try to reinsert it somewhere either in the East (Near Kharkiv) or South East (Near Donbas)
Localised Battle
Kyiv - Russian Retrograde
Russian announced a draw back on the North, on the other hand, we have not seen any retrograde operation launched by Russia to preserve its North Force, what we can see is a general withdraw with their force abandoning defensive position around Kyiv and its suburb.
According to Chapter 7 FM 100-15 A retrograde operation defined as the following.
1.) A delay operation to withdraw frontline troop in parts to preserve the frontline, so you don't pull everyone at once and collapse the frontline.
2.) A volunteer withdrawal of rear troop, with defensive position destroyed or sabotaged so to denied the enemy for using the defensive structure you have built.
3.) Redeploy and/or retired the troop that are not engage in combat.
We didn't see any of that.......
Conventional Wisdom suggest for every unit you pull off the front line, you leave 2 unit behind to act as a "Fighting Withdrawal" that way you will always have some troop holding the line and not going to vacate the frontline all at once, this is obviously did not do, because Ukraine took back almost the entire Kyiv Oblast in 2 days, and leave behind carnage suggested that the Russian withdraw is unorganised and sudden.
On the other hand, defensive position around the line were not destroyed. Noted in Hostomel Airport, this Satellite Image suggested the defensive position remain intact
From this, we can deduce Russian Operation in Kyiv is not a Retrograde, but a general rout.
Odesa
Odesa is on the far side of the Western Coast, it being the biggest and only port left with Ukraine, this is a big target for the Russian, so what's happening to it?
Apart from a missile strike and an artillery strike, nothing.
Even tho snake island felt on day 1, Odesa was largely untouched. Russian ship is on stand by, however, they cannot launch an amphibious assault until the Russian took Mykolaiv, you need a supply route over land in order to sustain an amphibious operation.
I would have to say Odesa is safe for now, pending on whether or not Ukrainian can take Kherson during the counter offensive.
Kherson
I have no doubt in my mind Kherson is the next Counter Offensive Point for Ukrainian. Taking Kherson would pressure Russian troop back to Crimea as you can made a clear dash toward Crimea thru Kherson, and taking Kherson would have weaken the Russian ability to conduct Military Operation in the South and South East.
During the last few days we have seen limited activities in Kherson area after Ukrainian counter attacked toward Kherson Airfield, this is in my opinion probing work, Ukraine is waiting on heavy equipment (Tanks and Artillery) for a major push, once those equipment is in Ukrainian hand, we would expect to see a General Push toward Kherson and Melitopol Direction.
Mariupol
Anybody who studied warfare would probably tell you Mariupol would have fall in the first few days of the war. The Proximity (10km toward Donbas frontline) would mean this is more or less a sure things to the Russia. Taking Mariupol would free up a bunch of troop from the South and East so they can have the freedom to move North and encircle the Ukrainian Defender in Donbas.
40 days in, Mariupol is still hanging on by a thread. At this stage, I would have to say even if Mariupol felt, the Russian force, with 40 days of hard fighting would have been spent or near spent, which mean the original objective may be already in doubt. On the other hand, if the Ukrainian manage to break thru from Kherson, that will render the advance toward Mariupol pointless, because the Russia would have to pull troop back to defend Crimea. And even if Mariupol did fall, I seriously doubt Russia have enough troop to defend the city from a upcoming counter attack.
Kharkiv
Kharkiv is probably one of the wild card at the early onset of the war, due to it proximity toward Russian border and it's large ethnic Russian resident, we don't know if Kharkiv would have just fold or people in Kharkiv is going to cooperate with the Russian.
Kharkiv turns out to be one of the fiercest place of the entire war. Kharkiv have been back and forth, and latest intelligence suggested that Russia is no longer trying to take Kharkiv, and were unable to encircle it. Russian strategy with Kharkiv is by-passing it and going south toward Izyum and trying to encircle the Donbas defender.
Kharkiv is currently also one of the major point of Ukrainian counter offensive, with supply corridor being pushed back across the border.
Overall Situation
As of April 4. the situation is probably a stauts quo between the Russian force and Ukrainian Force. Russia have been withdrew from the Northern ends, Kyiv is relief as of now.
Depending on how Russian rearm and regroup, they may try to invade thru Belarus and into Ukraine again, however, unlike the first time they have the element of surprise, this time, Ukrainian is fully or nearly fully mobilised with time to make defensive position, any further advance is going to be tougher than it was before, which make another push toward Kyiv unlikely.
On the other hand, Russian is expected to rotate the force and redeploy them toward the south, a logical destination is in Donbas instead of Kharkiv, on the other hand, these force is freshly pull off the field from Kyiv and reinsert them into Donbas for a grinder warfare, I seriously doubt the combat effectiveness of these force without giving them enough time to R&R.
While the Russian is doing that, Ukrainian have been able to raise another 200,000 TDF troop, and is currently opening another round of mobilisation, basically awaiting armament and equipment to fully kit out the first batch of TDF troop. As this war drag on, the more investment coming from EU and US, Ukrainian Force is going to grow in number which mean they can pursuit more objective than they can now. On the other hand, can the Russian keep up with the number game and the equipment game is unknown. Bear in mind, US and EU is underwriting the war in Ukraine for Ukraine. Russia is paying for its own war, with heavy economic sanction, the capability of whether or not they can persecute such a war during these economic circumstance is doubtful at best.
In the next week or 2, as more equipment and formation of new Brigade, Ukrainian is expect to conduct a country-wide counter offensive. I would say the next counter offensive focus is going to be in the Southern Region.
Russian/Ukrainian end game?
I don't think this war would be decided on the field, I still think this war is going to be decided with the peace talk, the position on the ground will dictate the progress peace talk. I don't think Russia can take anything more than Donbas, I do think the southern corridor is in jeapody from Ukrainian counter attack.
So I would suggest the next Ukrainian counter attack would see who have the bigger carrot in the peace talk. If Russian failed to resist the counter attack, then donbas would not have a favourable outcome. On the other hand, if Ukrainian are not able to dislodge the Russian, then outlook of the Ukrainian defence in Donbas will be grim. They will then be more willing to deal, other than keep fighting.
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Well, I never thought I would still be writing this in Day 40. But here we are, at Day 40 (About to go to Day 41) of the War in Ukraine. Fighting continue.
Here are the situation as of Day 40
So, what's happening?
Russia is Culminated
We hear this a thousand time, but what does that mean?
In war, a force is culminated means they are at the high tide mark and can no longer progress forward, usually at the end of their logistic capability. Further gain is unlikely at this point unless a serious reshape and re-contribution to the combat operation at hand.
Russia at this point reached the high tide mark for the entire operation, The Northern arm has been beaten back, and Ukrainian is counter attacking North East Ukraine. Russia pull off all the force in North and try to reinsert it somewhere either in the East (Near Kharkiv) or South East (Near Donbas)
Localised Battle
Kyiv - Russian Retrograde
Russian announced a draw back on the North, on the other hand, we have not seen any retrograde operation launched by Russia to preserve its North Force, what we can see is a general withdraw with their force abandoning defensive position around Kyiv and its suburb.
According to Chapter 7 FM 100-15 A retrograde operation defined as the following.
1.) A delay operation to withdraw frontline troop in parts to preserve the frontline, so you don't pull everyone at once and collapse the frontline.
2.) A volunteer withdrawal of rear troop, with defensive position destroyed or sabotaged so to denied the enemy for using the defensive structure you have built.
3.) Redeploy and/or retired the troop that are not engage in combat.
We didn't see any of that.......
Conventional Wisdom suggest for every unit you pull off the front line, you leave 2 unit behind to act as a "Fighting Withdrawal" that way you will always have some troop holding the line and not going to vacate the frontline all at once, this is obviously did not do, because Ukraine took back almost the entire Kyiv Oblast in 2 days, and leave behind carnage suggested that the Russian withdraw is unorganised and sudden.
On the other hand, defensive position around the line were not destroyed. Noted in Hostomel Airport, this Satellite Image suggested the defensive position remain intact
From this, we can deduce Russian Operation in Kyiv is not a Retrograde, but a general rout.
Odesa
Odesa is on the far side of the Western Coast, it being the biggest and only port left with Ukraine, this is a big target for the Russian, so what's happening to it?
Apart from a missile strike and an artillery strike, nothing.
Even tho snake island felt on day 1, Odesa was largely untouched. Russian ship is on stand by, however, they cannot launch an amphibious assault until the Russian took Mykolaiv, you need a supply route over land in order to sustain an amphibious operation.
I would have to say Odesa is safe for now, pending on whether or not Ukrainian can take Kherson during the counter offensive.
Kherson
I have no doubt in my mind Kherson is the next Counter Offensive Point for Ukrainian. Taking Kherson would pressure Russian troop back to Crimea as you can made a clear dash toward Crimea thru Kherson, and taking Kherson would have weaken the Russian ability to conduct Military Operation in the South and South East.
During the last few days we have seen limited activities in Kherson area after Ukrainian counter attacked toward Kherson Airfield, this is in my opinion probing work, Ukraine is waiting on heavy equipment (Tanks and Artillery) for a major push, once those equipment is in Ukrainian hand, we would expect to see a General Push toward Kherson and Melitopol Direction.
Mariupol
Anybody who studied warfare would probably tell you Mariupol would have fall in the first few days of the war. The Proximity (10km toward Donbas frontline) would mean this is more or less a sure things to the Russia. Taking Mariupol would free up a bunch of troop from the South and East so they can have the freedom to move North and encircle the Ukrainian Defender in Donbas.
40 days in, Mariupol is still hanging on by a thread. At this stage, I would have to say even if Mariupol felt, the Russian force, with 40 days of hard fighting would have been spent or near spent, which mean the original objective may be already in doubt. On the other hand, if the Ukrainian manage to break thru from Kherson, that will render the advance toward Mariupol pointless, because the Russia would have to pull troop back to defend Crimea. And even if Mariupol did fall, I seriously doubt Russia have enough troop to defend the city from a upcoming counter attack.
Kharkiv
Kharkiv is probably one of the wild card at the early onset of the war, due to it proximity toward Russian border and it's large ethnic Russian resident, we don't know if Kharkiv would have just fold or people in Kharkiv is going to cooperate with the Russian.
Kharkiv turns out to be one of the fiercest place of the entire war. Kharkiv have been back and forth, and latest intelligence suggested that Russia is no longer trying to take Kharkiv, and were unable to encircle it. Russian strategy with Kharkiv is by-passing it and going south toward Izyum and trying to encircle the Donbas defender.
Kharkiv is currently also one of the major point of Ukrainian counter offensive, with supply corridor being pushed back across the border.
Overall Situation
As of April 4. the situation is probably a stauts quo between the Russian force and Ukrainian Force. Russia have been withdrew from the Northern ends, Kyiv is relief as of now.
Depending on how Russian rearm and regroup, they may try to invade thru Belarus and into Ukraine again, however, unlike the first time they have the element of surprise, this time, Ukrainian is fully or nearly fully mobilised with time to make defensive position, any further advance is going to be tougher than it was before, which make another push toward Kyiv unlikely.
On the other hand, Russian is expected to rotate the force and redeploy them toward the south, a logical destination is in Donbas instead of Kharkiv, on the other hand, these force is freshly pull off the field from Kyiv and reinsert them into Donbas for a grinder warfare, I seriously doubt the combat effectiveness of these force without giving them enough time to R&R.
While the Russian is doing that, Ukrainian have been able to raise another 200,000 TDF troop, and is currently opening another round of mobilisation, basically awaiting armament and equipment to fully kit out the first batch of TDF troop. As this war drag on, the more investment coming from EU and US, Ukrainian Force is going to grow in number which mean they can pursuit more objective than they can now. On the other hand, can the Russian keep up with the number game and the equipment game is unknown. Bear in mind, US and EU is underwriting the war in Ukraine for Ukraine. Russia is paying for its own war, with heavy economic sanction, the capability of whether or not they can persecute such a war during these economic circumstance is doubtful at best.
In the next week or 2, as more equipment and formation of new Brigade, Ukrainian is expect to conduct a country-wide counter offensive. I would say the next counter offensive focus is going to be in the Southern Region.
Russian/Ukrainian end game?
I don't think this war would be decided on the field, I still think this war is going to be decided with the peace talk, the position on the ground will dictate the progress peace talk. I don't think Russia can take anything more than Donbas, I do think the southern corridor is in jeapody from Ukrainian counter attack.
So I would suggest the next Ukrainian counter attack would see who have the bigger carrot in the peace talk. If Russian failed to resist the counter attack, then donbas would not have a favourable outcome. On the other hand, if Ukrainian are not able to dislodge the Russian, then outlook of the Ukrainian defence in Donbas will be grim. They will then be more willing to deal, other than keep fighting.
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