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Majority of Pakistanis for 'Islamisation' of society: Poll

Hmm... shias are more peaceful and forward looking on an average than sunnis .My personal observation

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not generalizing that why i said 'not all'. Its my personal observation.

Kindly keep your these kinds of observations with you .......... we know our shias brothers very well and they know us very well we are all muslims and we the nations are most peaceful until others do not annoy us
 
hmmm very much idiotic survey ............. is there any difference between islam and pakistan? Pakistan ka matlab kia LA ILAHA ILLALLAH
 
hmmm very much idiotic survey ............. is there any difference between islam and pakistan? Pakistan ka matlab kia LA ILAHA ILLALLAH

sorry sir I love Islam most than Pakistan but Pakistan doesn't mean kalma implement shariah that's the order of ALLAH or other wise we will face his azab
 
sorry sir I love Islam most than Pakistan but Pakistan doesn't mean kalma implement shariah that's the order of ALLAH or other wise we will face his azab

you may have your own views but i do have my own views regarding pakistan after listening to the son of khan of qalat ............ i cannot distinguish between islam and pakistan sooner or later khilafat law of ALLAH has to be implemented in Pakistan INSHALLAH
 
you may have your own views but i do have my own views regarding pakistan after listening to the son of khan of qalat ............ i cannot distinguish between islam and pakistan sooner or later khilafat law of ALLAH has to be implemented in Pakistan INSHALLAH
sir Muslism and follower of Islam is live in many countries so we can't say that even be in an Islamic person and Muslim is different than how on earth can Pakistan and Islam be the same thing we have to implement shariah
 
sir Muslism and follower of Islam is live in many countries so we can't say that even be in an Islamic person and Muslim is different than how on earth can Pakistan and Islam be the same thing we have to implement shariah

difference between other countries and pakistan is ...... other countries never came into being in the name of Islam but Pakistan did .........
 
difference between other countries and pakistan is ...... other countries never came into being in the name of Islam but Pakistan did .........

that sill doesn't make it means Islam yes we have to implement shariah but Islam is not limited to Muslims
 
A. there is NO case where we will prefer citizen of another country over our own citizen be it iraq, India Iran, and any other Muslim country. Its clear the Pakistani will be preferred over anyone when we have to side with one of them simple as that.

2. Dont bring Kashmir into it as Kashmir is NOT part of India even then if you want me to give my personal opinion then anyone who sides with India in this case (be it Indian Muslims) will be out of my list of Support. period


3. when its Pakistani Muslim Vs Pakistani Hindu/Sikh then we will support the one who is right irrespective of his personal faith.

According to the concept of Ummah, every muslim should support the other muslim irrespective of his country and place. According to the feeling of Ummah, All muslims around teh world are interrelated to each other and one's suffering and pain is felt by his other fellow muslims around the globe.


Its the muslims v/s rest of the world.

Remember, The world is divided in two regions. Dar-ul-Hurb( Land of Kafirs) and Dar-ul-Islam(Land of Muslims)
 
According to the concept of Ummah, every muslim should support the other muslim irrespective of his country and place. According to the feeling of Ummah, All muslims around teh world are interrelated to each other and one's suffering and pain is felt by his other fellow muslims around the globe.


Its the muslims v/s rest of the world.

Remember, The world is divided in two regions. Dar-ul-Hurb( Land of Kafirs) and Dar-ul-Islam(Land of Muslims)
are you Indian Muslim because you have written the correct thing if you are a Muslim than I say Salam to my Muslim Brother
 
are you Indian Muslim because you have written the correct thing if you are a Muslim than I say Salam to my Muslim Brother


walaikum salam..

I am a Husseini Brahmin.
 
Hindu followers of Muslim imam

One of the most important events in early Muslim history was the battle of Karbala fought in 680 CE in which Imam Hussain, grandson of the Prophet through his daughter Fatima and her husband Imam Ali, was slaughtered along with a small band of disciples in a bloody battle against the tyrant Yazid. This event occurred in the Islamic month of Muharram, and it is for this reason that this month is observed with great solemnity in many parts of the Muslim world.

What is particularly striking about the observances of the month of Muharram in large parts of India is the prominent participation of Hindus in the ritual mourning. In several towns and villages, Hindus join Muslims in lamenting the death of Hussain, by sponsoring or taking part in lamentation rituals and tazia processions. In Lucknow, seat of the Shia nawabs of Awadh, prominent Hindu noblemen like Raja Tikait Rai and Raja Bilas Rai built Imambaras to house alams, standards representing the Karbala event. The Hindu Lambadi community in Andhra Pradesh have their own genre of Muharram lamentation songs in Telugu. Among certain Hindu castes in Rajasthan, the Karbala battle is recounted by staging plays in which the death of Imam Hussain is enacted, after which the women of the village come out in a procession, crying and cursing Yazid for his cruelty. In large parts of rural India, Hindus believe that if barren women slip under a Moharrum alam they would be blessed with a child.

Perhaps the most intriguing case of Hindu veneration of Imam Hussain is to be found among the small Hussaini Brahmin sect, also called Dutts or Mohiyals, who are found mainly in Punjab. The Hussaini Brahmins have had a long martial tradition, which they trace back to the event of Karbala. They believe that an ancestor named Rahab traveled all the way from Punjab to Arabia, where he became a disciple of Imam Hussain. In the battle of Karbala, Rahab fought in the army of the Imam against Yazid. His sons, too, joined him, and most of them were killed. The Imam, seeing Rahab’s love for him, bestowed upon him the title of Sultan or king, and told him to go back to India. It is because from this close bond between Rahab and Imam Hussain that the Hussaini Brahmins derive their name.

After Rahab and those of his sons who survived the battle of Karbala reached India, they settled down in the western Punjab and gradually a community grew around them. The Hussaini Brahmins practised an intriguing blend of Islamic and Hindu traditions. A popular saying refers to the Hussaini Brahmins or Dutts thus:

Wah Dutt Sultan,
Hindu ka Dharm
Musalman ka Iman,
Adha Hindu Adha Musalman
Oh! Dutt, the king
[Who follows] the religion of the Hindu
And the faith of the Muslim
Half Hindu, half Muslim.


Another story, which seems less reliable, is related as to how the Dutts of Punjab came to be known as Hussaini Brahmins. According to this version, one of the wives of Imam Hussain, the Persian princess Shahr Banu, was the sister of Chandra Lekha or Mehr Banu, the wife of an Indian king called Chandragupta. When it became clear that Yazid was adamant on killing the Imam, the Imam’s son Ali ibn Hussain rushed off a letter to Chandragupta asking him for help against Yazid. When Chandragupta received the letter, he dispatched a large army to Iraq to assist the Imam. By the time they arrived, however, the Imam had been slain. In the town of Kufa, in present-day Iraq, they met with one Mukhtar Saqaffi, a disciple of the Imam, who arranged for them to stay in a special part of the town, which even today is known by the name of Dair-i-Hindiya or ‘the Indian quarter’.

Some Dutt Brahmins, under the leadership of one Bhurya Dutt, got together with Mukhtar Saqafi to avenge the death of the Imam. They stayed behind in Kufa, while the rest returned to India. Here they built up a community of their own, calling themselves Hussaini Brahmins, keeping alive the memory of their links with the Imam.

The Hussaini Brahmins believe that in the Bhagwadgita Krishna had foretold the event of the Imam’s death at Karbala. According to them, the Kalanki Purana, the last of eighteen Puranas, as well as the Atharva Veda, the fourth Veda, refer to Imam Hussain as the divine incarnation or avatar of the Kali Yug, the present age. They hold Imam Ali, Imam Hussain’s father, and son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad, in particular reverence, referring to him with the honorific title of ‘Om Murti’.

The Hussaini Brahmins, along with other Hindu devotees of the Muslim Imam, are today a rapidly vanishing community. Younger generation Hussaini Brahmins are said to be abandoning their ancestral heritage, some seeing it as embarrassingly deviant. No longer, it seems, can an ambiguous, yet comfortable, liminality be sustained, fuzzy communal identities giving way under the relentless pressure to conform to the logic of neatly demarcated ‘Hindu’ and ‘Muslim’ communities. And so, these and scores of other religious communities that once straddled the frontier between Hinduism and Islam seem destined for perdition, or else to folkloric curiosities that tell of a bygone age, when it was truly possible to be both Hindu as well as Muslim at the same time.
 
Considering that there is hardly any minority left in Pakistan...it doesn't really matter that they consider them Muslim first or Pakistani.

But then it looks like there is a competition going on in Society that who is better Muslim? Don't get me wrong here.

It starts with highest level of politics. For example Bhutto and Zia-ul-huk. Each time a new political party comes into picture it tends to prove itself a better Muslim than previous one...and then it starts a chain reaction of radicalization of the society. Whatever politician like Bhutto or Zia did they didn't do it because they believed it would be better for Muslims or Pakistan, they did it because they believed it would make them more popular among people.

My perception may be wrong but thats how I see things. This is also true about Indian politics. Though instead of religion other popular topics like reservation plays a big role where different political parties find each other in competition.
 
Considering that there is hardly any minority left in Pakistan...it doesn't really matter that they consider them Muslim first or Pakistani.

But then it looks like there is a competition going on in Society that who is better Muslim? Don't get me wrong here.

It starts with highest level of politics. For example Bhutto and Zia-ul-huk. Each time a new political party comes into picture it tends to prove itself a better Muslim than previous one...and then it starts a chain reaction of radicalization of the society. Whatever politician like Bhutto or Zia did they didn't do it because they believed it would be better for Muslims or Pakistan, they did it because they believed it would make them more popular among people.

My perception may be wrong but thats how I see things. This is also true about Indian politics. Though instead of religion other popular topics like reservation plays a big role where different political parties find each other in competition.


Islam has already become a creed of people who are fighting each other to show that they are a better Muslim.

Every Muslim considers Prophet Mohammad ( PBUH) as a role model, and his deeds (recorded in various Hadiths) are followed to the core.

Eating by right hand, heena dyed beard, length of beard etc; such petty things have become a bone on contention for the various muslims to fight and ridicule each other.by doing this they have made Islam a religion full of antics and bigotry, and in following the Prophet Mohammad(PBUH), they have transformed ISLAM, giving it a new face which is completely opposite to what Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) dreamt of.

The day muslims come out of this bigotry and cheap antics, Inshallah,Islam would once again have a prominent place in the World.
 
Islam has already become a creed of people who are fighting each other to show that they are a better Muslim.

Every Muslim considers Prophet Mohammad ( PBUH) as a role model, and his deeds (recorded in various Hadiths) are followed to the core.

Eating by right hand, heena dyed beard, length of beard etc; such petty things have become a bone on contention for the various muslims to fight and ridicule each other.by doing this they have made Islam a religion full of antics and bigotry, and in following the Prophet Mohammad(PBUH), they have transformed ISLAM, giving it a new face which is completely opposite to what Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) dreamt of.

The day muslims come out of this bigotry and cheap antics, Inshallah,Islam would once again have a prominent place in the World.
sorry sir every sunnah is important weather it is of keeping beared or which colour to use because HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW whoever leaves my sunnah has nothing to do with me
 

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