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LoC flare up: August 2013

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Pakistan accused Indian troops of firing shells across the disputed border in Kashmir on Monday and tensions ran high in both countries after last week's killing of Indian soldiers set off a wave of skirmishes between the two nuclear-armed rivals.
Clashes flared along the 740-km (445-mile) Line of Control that divides Kashmir on August 6 when five Indian soldiers were ambushed and killed in the Poonch region. New Delhi blamed the attack on the Pakistan army. Islamabad denied involvement.
While tit-for-tat shelling and machinegun fire are common along the LoC the current round of fighting is one of the most intense since a ceasefire signed in 2003. It has been linked to protests in both countries and rowdy scenes in India's parliament. Under pressure from opposition politicians, the government has hinted at retaliation.
LoC killings: Pakistan retaliates, accuses India of shelling as Kashmir tension simmers
LoC killings: Pakistan retaliates, accuses India of shelling as Kashmir tension simmers
On Monday, a Pakistani army official said a civilian was killed as a result of "unprovoked Indian shelling" in the Battal, Chirikot and Satwal sectors.
"Pakistan troops effectively responded to Indian firing," the official said.
Islamabad summoned India's deputy high commissioner (ambassador) to Pakistan to register its concern over the death, the Pakistani foreign office said. It also called for strengthening military mechanisms to stop truce violations.
A spokesman for the Indian Defence Ministry offered a different version of events on the Kashmir frontier. He said Indian posts came under heavy mortar and automatic weapon fire overnight in the same area and that India "responded effectively." He said no damage or injuries were reported on the Indian side.
The disputed Himalayan region was split between India and Pakistan in 1948 but they both claim it in its entirety.
They have fought two of their three wars over Kashmir and India accuses Pakistan of supporting separatist rebels fighting its rule in its part of Kashmir since 1989.
The two armies have been exchanging fire on the front line since Tuesday, straining the ceasefire that has largely held for nearly a decade.
Within India, as the mood hardens, Pakistan's national airline, Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), said it had tightened security at its office in New Delhi after two men sprayed black paint on the walls and dropped a note of warning at the door.
"Pakistan must immediately stop attacking Indian soldiers and violating the ceasefire agreement, and until they do that, they will not be allowed to operate any office on India's sacred soil," said the statement, signed by the Delhi unit of the hardline Hindu nationalist Shiv Sena.
RIOTS AND PROTESTS
The Indian army patrolled an area close to Poonch on India's side of the fence on Monday after three people died in riots between Hindus and Muslims over the weekend. Opposition parties linked the rioting to the renewed border tensions, because some of the protesters involved had brandished a Pakistani flag.
A curfew was in place in eight of 10 districts of Jammu to contain the unrest. Authorities also blocked mobile data transmission services in the region.
"It is not a law and order situation, this is an issue of India's sovereignty," said Arun Jaitley, a senior leader of the Bharatiya Janata Party.
Jaitley was prevented from visiting the riot-hit area of Kishtwar on Sunday, and Kashmir's chief minister, Omar Abdullah, accused him of trying to inflame tensions for political gain ahead of elections next year. Sporadic protests and clashes with police continued on Monday.
On Pakistan's side of the border, hundreds of people took to the street in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, accusing India of stepping up attacks.
"Down with India! Long live the Kashmir freedom movement!" they chanted as the crowd marched towards the Muzaffarabad office of the UN Military Observer Group which monitors the ceasefire.
"India does not want peace to prevail in this region," said migrant Uzair Ahmed Ghizali. "This becomes clear from atrocities inside the held territory and provocative actions along the Line of Control."
Media have reported Pakistan might redeploy some of its troops from the Afghan border, where the army is fighting a separate Taliban-linked insurgency, to the eastern frontier, but an army official said the option was not on the table.
India and Pakistan have been trying to restart stalled peace talks, possibly as early as this month, as well as a possible meeting between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif, in New York in September.
India has deployed tens of thousands of soldiers in Kashmir to put down an armed revolt that began in 1989. In recent years, violence has ebbed, but there has been little movement on a political settlement.
LoC killings: Pakistan retaliates, accuses India of shelling as Kashmir tension simmers
 
indian leader well understand the status of tactical and nuclear capabilities of Pakistan, way beyond indian chest thumbing.
what the max they can do is escalation of border tension as even cold doctrine is dead now.
my point of view is, they know we are taking some serious steps to eliminate the Pakistani taliban who are 180 degree to original talibans. and these disguised terrorists are fruit of billions of $ and years of training by indian raw and cia. so to deflect the attention and probably some more serious targets in our beloved country enemy is doing these strategies.
of course there would be a final battle with india such a furious battle for hundred of years no one would call for battle. result would be revival of a great muslim state as before british invasion its a hard fact does not matter what ever is said.
 
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In the line of duty: Lt Gen Haroon Aslam in Piochaar, Swat.
For those who think Army do nothing and enjoys luxury life!

-YK
He is also most probably next Army chief
 
No Sir it is not love for Pakistan it is love of Islam and Muslims and hatred for kufr and enemies of Islam Sir even if you attack Bangladesh or Indonesia or Algeria or Morocco same response would come Muslims would come in to join the war against the kafirs that is what they dream to do and when they get a chance they would do it

So in the past Indo-pak wars, in 1965 and 1971 and 1999, how many Indonesians and Iranians and Saudi Arabians and Syrians and Nigerians and Moroccans and Sudanese came to fight for Pakistan?

Or didn't they love islam at that time?
 
You will see they do noting. .... :girl_cray3:Generals...
They have more fear if Pakistan reenter in their boundary and killing and smash their rats.
If they impose war on Pakistan then India remind in recycle bin. :omghaha:
 
The DGMO has spoken...says that Pak didn't do anything, situation has become serious and it is all Indias fault, a befitting reply will be given next time.

What else were you expecting. No one admits to their own mistakes/misdeeds..
 
One point. Kashmir can only be solved by the Musharraf-MMS type of agreement, anything else is pure pipe dreams.

As for your second point, let us agree to disagree. Economic co-operation is extremely desirable but that would always be conditioned upon the asking price. The present asking price cannot & won't be paid. Offering to sell electricity means very little. Some of the states bordering Pakistan have surplus stock & that needs to be dealt with. I'm not sure whether you know of the Indian Northern grid trip of about 2 years ago, one of the reasons found was excess supply by some of these states on a line ill equipped to take that much load. While that has been rectified for the most part(by ordering a cut down of power production, line improvement etc), there still remains excess capacity there. Offering it to Pakistan is killing 2 birds with one stone. Help in utilising capacity but also create a constituency within Pakistan that favours good relations with India. Offering you electricity is not a sign that we need you, you are over reading things.

Even I do not claim to properly understand the never sufficiently revealed thing , what ever that agreement was . So , lets agree to disagree here again .

Hmmm , Ok . For me , it used to be desirable , but somehow it has transformed into necessity or will in the near future . Seeing the economy has grown massively , the need for energy and other resources have shot up and to sustain the same growth rate for a long time , you need new trade routes . I still think , its the reason why the Indian Govt isn't so keen to shut all doors . Obviously , the electricity offer isn't much though it comes at an interesting time and that is what I talked about .
 
If Pakistan claims not to have provoked this flare how do u suspect the 5 Indian soldiers were killed? Meteor Strike?
 
If Pakistan claims not to have provoked this flare how do u suspect the 5 Indian soldiers were killed? Meteor Strike?
It was not the first time or it wouldn't be the last one that an expansionist power sacrificed its own soldiers/agents to bring the war climate in its favor.
 
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