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U.S. Special Forces involved in effort to retake provincial capital

The U.S. began its second ground war in Afghanistan on Wednesday as U.S. Special Forces near Kunduz aided their Afghan allies to try to reverse the Taliban’s sudden and surprising takeover of the northern provincial capital. It marked the first time since the U.S. invasion of 2001 that the Taliban have retaken a city. Afghan officials said the U.S. troops were heading to the city’s airport, where hundreds of the 3,000 Afghan troops based in Kunduz had hunkered down since being driven out of the central city in recent days.

“Coalition special forces advisers, to include U.S. service members, while advising and assisting elements of the Afghan security forces, encountered an insurgent threat in the vicinity of the Kunduz airport,” Army Colonel Brian Tribus said in a statement Wednesday.

It is becoming increasingly clear, Pentagon officials say, that Taliban forces have mined major highways around the airport and the city, complicating any effort to retake it quickly. The U.S. military carried out three air strikes against Taliban positions on Tuesday.

“Obviously, this is a setback for the Afghan security forces,” Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook told reporters Tuesday. But he added that the Afghan military “has amassed a sizeable force to retake city, numbering in the thousands” and that the Pentagon is “confident they will defeat the Taliban and restore the city to Afghan control.”

Outsiders were more pessimistic. Kunduz’s fall “is a significant blow to the ability of the Afghan National Security Forces to retain control throughout the country,” said the independent Institute for the Study of War, based in Washington, D.C.

The Taliban offensive shows that Obama’s “surge” of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan in 2010 apparently did little to destroy the Taliban insurgency.

The takeover comes as President Obama weighs what to do with the 9,800 U.S. troops still in Afghanistan (they peaked at 100,000 in 2011). He has planned on pulling out all but 1,000 by the end of next year. But the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Army General John Campbell has recommended—before Kunduz’s fall—that several thousand remain into 2017 because of the still-robust Taliban.

The fall of Kunduz is “only a symptom of a much broader crisis,” saidAnthony Cordesman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “Afghanistan is now caught up in a much broader series of crises: political, governance, economics, security, and Afghan force development,” he added. “In each case, the transition since U.S. combat forces left at the end of 2014 is failing.”

Just how many coalition troops and precisely what their role is in the fight for Kunduz remains unclear. They could be used to advise their Afghan allies and call in air strikes. Officials have said they are not involved in direct combat against Taliban forces occupying much of the city of 300,000. “There are limited coalition forces in the Kunduz area training, advising and assisting the Afghan security forces,” Cook said. “They’re not directly engaged in the fight.”

While U.S. and NATO troops have handed over the battle against the Taliban to Afghan forces, they are allowed to fight if they feel they are threatened. That was the basis for Tuesday’s air strikes, Cook said.

In a sign that the military woes have political consequences, Afghan parliamentarians in Kabul called for President Ashraf Ghani and his chief executive, Abdullah Abdullah, to step down. “It is shameful how they have dealt with the situation in Kunduz,” said Iqbal Safi of Kapisa province, between Kabul and Kunduz. “Ghani and Abdullah must step down.”

Earlier this year, Ghani was viewed by Pentagon officials as a refreshing change from his predecessor, the taciturn Hamid Karzai. At an appearance at the Pentagon in March, Ghani praised Obama for his “sense of clarity” in ending the formal U.S. combat role in Afghanistan at the end of 2014, and the U.S. role in creating “a proud Afghan security force that has dealt with the best of you and emulates the best of your example.”

Kunduz: Afghanistan City's Fall to Taliban Signals Problems


Looks like US SF are now involved to take back the city.
 
No this does not work because in reality you would offer your transport and residence to Fazlullah and kill Mansoor at a critical time when we will be hoping to end this mess once and for all. This is how you have worked and this is how you still want to work.

Do more than emotional blackmailing, we are not the same Pakistanis of 1980's, it does not work on us any more ;). We have learnt to demand instead of greeting with open arms, if our enemy can be your friend then why not your enemy be our friend what is so wrong in that? You should have done more and you should do more otherwise their claim to capture Kabul seems realistic to me. And please what you foresee for your country is not applicable to us, our forces have gained ground in nearly every no go area, for the time being you need to prove if your forces can retake a city from your insurgents and terrorists.

Fair enough then we have no middle ground between you and I, case closed no more to discuss.

/Peace
 
Mods, this thread was about Kunduz updates, but here people( mostly Pakistanis) showing there ill will and hatred towards Afghanistan. Please take the appropriate actions. Thanks
@Icarus @waz @Jango @Horus

Why should we show our sympathy to the Afghans when clearly they have shown a zero ounce of respect to us. They have burned Pakistani flags, boycotted Pakistan goods, laughed at the death of our solders and then have the audacity to talk about annexing FATA and KPK.
 
I think it is very important that we learn few things from uncle Sam when it comes to negotiate with Talibans. As Uncle Sam has coined the idea of "good Talibans" and "bad Talibans", the same can be adopted both by Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Both countries should negotiate with those who are ready to be part of larger political system and give up violence against civilians.

It is give and take situation. For that to happen, the Indian paid Northern Alliance must make some room for the representatives of the majority of Afghans i.e. Pashtuns.

If they think Indian money and terrorist training of likes of TTP and BLA terrorists is the right way to go, they are gravely mistaken!

Afghans must understand that Indian paid NA will be the first ones to flee the country and live their lavish lives somewhere else when push comes to shove. Therefore, negotiations with Talibans (which is a ground reality there) is the only way forward. Involving players such as China, US, Russia, Pakistan and Iran will gradually lead to a settlement.

I mean look in Nepal, haven't Maoisits given up arms and became a part of political process? Why can't the same happen in Afghanistan?

Kick out India, she only wants to use you as a launching pad against Pakistan. Yours and our future are interlinked. Think over it!
 
1- Details Of Weapons Seized in Kanduz:
8 Tanks
40 Ranger Vehicles
15 Other(including ambulances) Military Vehicles
Hundreds Of different small arms
2- Pul-E-Khumri, which lies halfway between Kabul and kunduz has just been attacked by Taliban
(not yet sure the attack is one the city itself or Military convoys trying to get to kunduz)
 
Not only did those ungrateful fools cheer on the attacks on Pakistan, they were also discussing how to annex FATA and KPK from Pakistan. Karma works in mysterious way and now their grandeur vision in capturing Pakistani territory can rest in peace, because they can't even hold there own land from the Taliban.

Well if we didn't like it, then we should not show insensitivity either. All it will do is to feed the ill feelings.
 
Interesting times ahead as I am sure Afghanistan will blame Pakistan but the question is will this attack briny Afghanistan and taliban back on the table for talks. If talks restart now without a doubt Taliban will hold greater ground but it has been quite a victory for the taliban. Much greater than I thought and the longer it gets dragged out the greater the victory becomes... ANA under severe pressure and for the first time since its inception, it has faced such a co ordinated and well planned siege.. They are blocking the roads and are attacking the supply lines.... I am surprised at how well felled and coordinated the attack is.
 
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Well, even though I think ANA are nothing but child raping drug users, I wish that nobody dies. Afghan people have seen enough war for a few life times.
 
Would the people cheerleading for the Taliban on this forum even last a day under their rule?

Afghan Taliban 'recruiting boys from Kunduz' families - Al Jazeera English

Taliban fighters are going from door to door in the key northern Afghanistan city of Kunduz to take young boys as recruits

Our reporter said there was no electricity in the city on Wednesday, food was in short supply and that the price of bread had doubled from 10 Afghanis to 20 Afghanis overnight.
 
Well if we didn't like it, then we should not show insensitivity either. All it will do is to feed the ill feelings.

They have clearly advocated their feelings on Pakistan and this will unlikely change because the old ruling elite of the Northern Alliance faction still has a voice in the government. Why should we care on the insensitive feelings of the Afghans, because I am only concerned about the welfare of Pakistan and when some community speaks ill on my country who we have fed and housed for 30 years, then the situation of creating ill-feeling becomes irrelevant. They have tried to destabilize Pakistan for 14 years, however retribution with interests will be there answer.
 
Taliban insurgents in ‪‎Kunduz‬ have taken over another chunk of Govt infrastructure including the provincial headquarters of Afghan intelligence (NDS).

Because Afghan intelligence (NDS) was so Busy in Harboring and Training Baloch & TTP Insurgents HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

(Copied from Pakistan Defence FB Page)
 
Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
Drivers on Baghlan- Samangan - Mazar highway, Taliban are out on the highway. They have burned some vehicles& homes.

Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
A Jehadi commander in Samangan province, we are prepared to push the Taliban away from main Samangan- Mazar - Kabul highway.

Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
A police CDR for highway on Baghlan- Samangan-Mazar highway, the main highway is closed after highway police posts fell to Taliban.

Taliban insurgents in ‪‎Kunduz‬ have taken over another chunk of Govt infrastructure including the provincial headquarters of Afghan intelligence (NDS).

Because Afghan intelligence (NDS) was so Busy in Harboring and Training Baloch & TTP Insurgents HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

(Copied from Pakistan Defence FB Page)

This should send a clear message to those working in NDS, If you even think about annexing Pakistani territory and funding/arming groups then more of their provincial headquarters will fall.
 
Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
Drivers on Baghlan- Samangan - Mazar highway, Taliban are out on the highway. They have burned some vehicles& homes.

Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
A Jehadi commander in Samangan province, we are prepared to push the Taliban away from main Samangan- Mazar - Kabul highway.

Bilal Sarwary ‏@bsarwary
A police CDR for highway on Baghlan- Samangan-Mazar highway, the main highway is closed after highway police posts fell to Taliban.



This should send a clear message to those working in NDS, If you even think about annexing Pakistani territory and funding/arming groups then more of their provincial headquarters will fall.

Afghanistan needs to utilize her "LIMITED" Resources to Secure her own people rather than Investing in Destabilizing Pakistan. Evil Dreams of Free Balochistan and Free Pushtonistan are Dead ends, PAKISTAN ARMY will never let this happen. Dear Afghans Please mind your own Business to Secure your own country don't make too many Indian consulates in your country don't let your soil to be used as a Proxy warfare Heaven or Incidents like Kunduz will continue to happen.
 

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