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You don't even make sense. NATO doesn't own anything from us, in fact we benefit more from NATO. In fact the ottoman empire taxed USA to allow them to pass in Mediterranean Sea at the time and we killed hundred thousands of British soldiers in ww1 your masters. I advise you stick to kissing your British white masters hands at the end of the day India is the country with the most whitening cream. It's funny how after China invaded your country you started panicking and trying to ally Japan or go and cry to Russia. Isn't China the same population and size as you? Yet you go and cry and can't do anything.
turkey is so pu&&y that israel massacred there citizens in broad daylight and they did nothing lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/middleeast/01flotilla.html?_r=0

you know why???
because you are a slave of western world :woot:
couldn't even attack tiny country like israel.turk PU$$IES are afraid to attack israel because there masters don't allow them to do so.:omghaha:
 
You don't even make sense. NATO doesn't own anything from us, in fact we benefit more from NATO. In fact the ottoman empire taxed USA to allow them to pass in Mediterranean Sea at the time and we killed hundred thousands of British soldiers in ww1 your masters. I advise you stick to kissing your British white masters hands at the end of the day India is the country with the most whitening cream. It's funny how after China invaded your country you started panicking and trying to ally Japan or go and cry to Russia. Isn't China the same population and size as you? Yet you go and cry and can't do anything.


A while ago a Hindu was calling Turks his daddy, and rejected his black Indian dad.....and now these same Indians are jealous and hating on Turks? These people are really mentally sick in the head. They are like Bipolar Schizophrenics.

The base of their psychology is, self hate, inferiority complex, and jealousy for other people.

turkey is so pu&&y that israel massacred there citizens in broad daylight and they did nothing lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/middleeast/01flotilla.html?_r=0

you know why???
because you are a slave of western world :woot:
couldn't even attack tiny country like israel.turk PU$$IES are afraid to attack israel because there masters don't allow them to do so.:omghaha:

Another post reported. The true mentality of Hindus/Indians is for all to see...
 
turkey is so pu&&y that israel massacred there citizens in broad daylight and they did nothing lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/01/world/middleeast/01flotilla.html?_r=0

you know why???
because you are a slave of western world :woot:
couldn't even attack tiny country like israel.turk PU$$IES are afraid to attack israel because there masters don't allow them to do so.:omghaha:
A Turk would slaughter any Indian if you spoke like that. You get bullied like a dog in Arab countries whipped like a dog and your talking to me lol Indians.
You can't attack a country for something like that. But let me remind you something. I could give 100 examples these happened to many countries. Sudan killed Russian soldiers no Russian response. American ambassador got killed in Libya no response.

began on Wednesday, 26 November and lasted until Saturday, 29 November 2008, killing 166 people and wounding at least 308.
India got anhiliated by a country 1/10 it's size and population and is scared like a girl.

You remembered this? It happened in your own country and you couldn't do **** to Pakistan because you know they are men and they would turn India a bigger slum hole. This happened in your own country 166 dead. Oh just shh.
 
This inferior complexed kid needs to get banned, he keeps swearing because of his complex. His a jealous kid with severe complex. 200 years ago they was kissing our hand now getting brave.
 
A Turk would slaughter any Indian if you spoke like that. You get bullied like a dog in Arab countries whipped like a dog and your talking to me lol Indians.
You can't attack a country for something like that. But let me remind you something. I could give 100 examples these happened to many countries. Sudan killed Russian soldiers no Russian response. American ambassador got killed in Libya no response.

The attacks, which drew widespread global condemnation, began on Wednesday, 26 November and lasted until Saturday, 29 November 2008, killing 166 people and wounding at least 308.

You remembered this? It happened in your own country and you couldn't do **** to Pakistan because you know they are men and they would turn India a bigger slum hole. This happened in your own country 166 dead. Oh just shh.

turkish will slaughter indians???:woot:

first slaughter israelis who killed your citizens in broad day light.
you understand what broad day light means.right???
lol so you think pakistanis will save your *** when nukes will be falling on ankara and istanbul and you will be turning into a roasted turkey.:lol:

This inferior complexed kid needs to get banned, he keeps swearing because of his complex. His a jealous kid with severe complex. 200 years ago they was kissing our hand now getting brave.

now our nukes will kiss your a$$ :laughcry:
roasted turkey
hahahaha...
 
turkish will slaughter indians???:woot:

first slaughter israelis who killed your citizens in broad day light.
you understand what broad day light means.right???
lol so you think pakistanis will save your *** when nukes will be falling on ankara and istanbul and you will be turning into a roasted turkey.:lol:

Israel apologized for that which is a politic success. Where in the world a country went to war for that.

This guy's really suffering, someone needs to help him. The whitening creams isn't helping him, and naturally he's angry of the dirt in his slum. In his head India is a superpower nuking everybody.

China is invading you everyday but India isn't brave enough to do anything.
 
Israel apologized for that which is a politic success. Where in the world a country went to war for that.

This guy's really suffering, someone needs to help him. The whitening creams isn't helping him, and naturally he's angry of the dirt in his slum. In his head India is a superpower nuking everybody.

China is invading you everyday but India isn't brave enough to do anything.

see i told you you turks are pu&&ies.
anyone can kill few hundreds of turks and then apologise :woot::laughcry::omghaha:
i believe turkey should be let into EU.after all they have lick EU a$$ like forever
 
turkish will slaughter indians???:woot:

first slaughter israelis who killed your citizens in broad day light.
you understand what broad day light means.right???
lol so you think pakistanis will save your *** when nukes will be falling on ankara and istanbul and you will be turning into a roasted turkey.:lol:

Why do you think Pakistan has manufactured nukes? and who do you think Pakistan would use it on? Any ways, Turks have ruled the region of Pakistan through the Mughal empire, and the Mughals used to rule this land on the behalf of Khilafa in Turkey, thus this is why people of this region of Pakistan were so worried for Turkey in world war 2.

Its something you Hindus in India would not understand and are ignorant of.
 
The mughals were economically a superpower in every sense of the word,Right up there with rome,ming china,persia etc.
But the reason the mughals are traditionally not counted among the 'best' superpowers was their military machine.
Mughal military machine was always somewhat obsolete in technology compared to its contemporaries and had no power projection capability beyond the subcontinent.They also had no naval ability and were bullied often by small european forces towards the end.
As for land,in the begiunning-It was lean,fast and mean,under babur but small.But while babur's army was superior in tech and ferocity to those in india in central asia and beyond where the ottomans reigned,compared to that it was hardly anything and its vaunted arty new in india, no advantage.Situation declined under humayun slightly.
It reached its peak power and efficiency under akbar,the army became massive and was well drilled due to akbar's obsession with drilling.
But from around jahangir's time military efficiency began to fall off,drilling,corrupt mansabdars,obsolete artillery[in regards to rest of world],shah jahan and aurangzeb's armies were overbloated inefficient machines.
Its infantry was mostly rabble.All european travellers testify to this and have shown total disdain for them..no training,drilling[after akbar's time],no discipline,low pay,no uniforms,logistics or same weaponry.All carried their families with them.Infantry held lowest prestige.They made up the numbers and if the cavalry was succeeding they would rush forward,if it failed they would flee.Morale was nonexistent after shahjahan's time.
Mughal artillery was the best in the subcontinent and primary cause of many mughal victories over indigineous forces who had no arty or very few.But while it was the terror of subcontinent,outside it it was somewhat obsolete.Shahjahan's central asian campaign was massive disaster..both jahangir and shahjahn.aurangzeb[as general] with massive numbers of forces outnumbering safavids couldn't take the simple fort of kandahar as their artillery was ineffective compared to safavids.So while mughal artillery remained master of the field well into 1730s till time of bahadur shah,it was nothing to brag about outside india.
Cavalry was the strike arm of the mughal army....
elephants were used until akbar with good results.After that they became obsolete due to gunpowder proliferation and cost and were relegated to mobile command centres.
The cavalry was prestigious,well paid and well equipped.
The baburid cavalry was superb,excellent archers and ferocious.When the empire expanded,They drew contingents from the pashtuns and other tribes plus most of the nobility.From time of akbar the excellent rajput cavalry was also available.
But as the empire grew bigger and wealthier,they grew soft...prime example of a mongol generals' quote-
''You could conquer the world on horseback but u couldn't rule it from there''
Corruption,lavish wealthy lifestyle ,lack of earlier ferocity,increasing over reliance on sheer numbers to win[remember babur had won with small but mobile and motivated forces],increasingly bad generalship..many of the nobility were addicted to drugs and wine. Even the vaunted rajputs took large quantities of opium before battle to enter battle frenzy and were addicts.So cavalry lost its earlier edge too towards the end.And this became apparent against the maratha horsemen.
Another large weakness was logistics.mughal army simply had too much tail than teeth.Logistics train was like a mobile city.slow ,lumbering with women and children.This was another weakness exposed in maratha wars.
Mughals kept using old matchlocks and never truly upgraded their field artillery,had no navy.
In terms of wealth and land,they were truly a great power but global power projection not that much.

This is true for sardars and generals as far as I know

Probably this is the reason Shivaji Maharaj strictly prohibited any one in the army to have wife or bateek with him, while on mission

Morale was nonexistent after shahjahan's time

This is new for me

elephants were used until akbar with good results

Akbar armed elephants with armor

Another large weakness was logistics.mughal army simply had too much tail than teeth.Logistics train was like a mobile city

and they had artillery too which was not suitable for fast mobile warfare

This why Shivaji Maharaj mostly relied on cavalry and infantry and used canons only for defending forts
 
Why do you think Pakistan has manufactured nukes? and who do you think Pakistan would use it on? Any ways, Turks have ruled the region of Pakistan through the Mughal empire, and the Mughals used to rule this land on the behalf of Khilafa in Turkey, thus this is why people of this region of Pakistan were so worried for Turkey in world war 2.

Its something you Hindus in India would not understand and are ignorant of.
lol @ pakistani cheer leader :omghaha:
 
see i told you you turks are pu&&ies.
anyone can kill few hundreds of turks and then apologise :woot::laughcry::omghaha:
i believe turkey should be let into EU.after all they have lick EU a$$ like forever

Few hundred? Are you retarded where did you get few Hundred.

Just go and check the other thread how indians are bullied like slaves unhonoured man don't even respond at the end he's Indian.
 
Few hundred? Are you retarded where did you get few Hundred.

Just go and check the other thread how indians are bullied like slaves unhonoured man don't even respond at the end he's Indian.

hi roasted turkey.pakistani will save you :omghaha:
 
This is true for sardars and generals as far as I know

Probably this is the reason Shivaji Maharaj strictly prohibited any one in the army to have wife or bateek with him, while on mission



This is new for me



Akbar armed elephants with armor

1.True.Shivaji understood this flaw.
2.That line was meant for the infantry which was rabble.
3.And i said until akbar,means after akbar they were generally used less and less..and mostly for mobile command centre role.Akbar did use them well.

Turkey vs india thread,this is not.Trolls off.:offpost:
 
Europe had priority to navy due to 3 factors,1]ottomans/persia controlled land route for trade and levied heavy tariffs.They were desperate to find alternate sea route.This lead to columbus discovery.
2]Naval race,due to control of spice route to asia and then for colonies after 1492.
3]Naval competition with ottomans.

While these 3 fueled naval growth in europe.
Mughals were basically a land power with central asian origins and had no concept of navy from their landlocked origin.
Another reason was they didn't NEeD trade with europe,europe needed trade with asia mostly.So the requirement wasn't there economically for mughals to build up merchant marine,and without merchant marine there is not much reason for navy to exist.
Before the discovery of new world and flowing in of south american mayan and incan gold bullion,europe didn't have much to trade with asian powers.After flow of wealth they traded mostly gold.
Later they traded in weaponry..latest gunpowder weapons.And also military experts and doctors.

100% right

military experts and doctors

Nikolao manuchi?
 

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