Did Russia build the best attack helicopter ever - Ka-52

[aziqbal]

Indeed RIP Jan-Michael Vincent AKA Stringfellow Hawke

Only no music

The air wolf music was great when I was a kid loved it

 

[nahtanbob]

Funny how on this very forum, quite a few members were running their mouth like rabid dogs on Russian military hardware is pathetic and useless. And now when the Russians are whooping the West all over Ukraine and Western military hardware is being trashed by the Russian Military ... some of those same members are all praises.

I did not forget how I used to get attacked when I would suggest Pakistan buy Russian military hardware and to develop close economic and political ties with Russia.

The stench of hypocrisy is all too apparent.

Jahils will always be what they are ... JAHILS. No matter how many degrees they may have under their belt.

Russians can make amazing pieces of hardware. The real issue is their performance in sustained combat. Their hardware degrades fast and requires a lot of maintenance.

Russians are decades behind in semiconductor technology. In some areas they are inferior because of that.

 

[Nasr]

That's because it's not the machine that is the problem, it's the person behind the machine.

Any equipment is only as good as the person who use it, if you use a state of the art machine stupidly, it will still be stupid

On the other hand, I wouldn't say Russia "whooping" Western arse, because.

A.) The west is not in this fight.

There either former or current U.S military personnel fighting Ukrainian uniform. Call Signs, radio chatter relates to non-Ukrainians. American mercenaries are also there, but military former or current, from America, Britain, France, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Germany and the Baltic States, are present and fighting in Ukraine against the Russian Forces.

B.) There are only limited Western Equipment in Ukraine to gauge the efficiency of Russian stuff, most of this war is about Russia stuff against older Russian stuff. And

Patriots failed against Kinzhals, proven and debunked the capability of Patriots in Jazeera-ul-Arab (Yemen War) and Ukraine (SMO) against saturation attacks and cruise /hypersonic missiles. The latest version of Patriots is what current users want, now more desperately, since they know the older modified version is junk.

HIMARS has been successfully intercepted on multiple times and is documented , so we have started hearing less about them. Ukrainians are now using the cluster munitions more.

C.) The War for Russia is going nowhere, for an attacker to do defensive infrastructure when they are supposed to be invading, that mean that's the end, or high-water mark of what they can go, because all those defensive infrastructures the Russian build on the frontline have to be overcome by the Russian themselves if they want to make any progress.

At the begining of 2022, before Russian forces entered Eastern Ukraine .... the Ukrainian forces were poised to invade its Eastern territories and destroy the Donbass militias. Russian forces have absorbed Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions of Ukraine. 2014, Russian forces peacefully absorbed Crimea.

As for the Russians advancing or calculating Russian military progress in SMO, well Russians have achieved their stated goal to a significant extent. To protect the Russian speaking population, just look at the pace at which Mariupol has been rebuilt. As far as advancing is concerned, Ukrainian military has already lost between 350,000 to 400,000 troops killed and/or irreversibly wounded. Ukrainian air force all but limping on its last legs and has ZERO air superiority as its air defense is relegated to the Western most part of the country.

Once Ukraine's last reserves have been destroyed, then there is nothing stopping the Russians from advancing up to the Dnieper River.

Russians can make amazing pieces of hardware. The real issue is their performance in sustained combat. Their hardware degrades fast and requires a lot of maintenance.

Russians are decades behind in semiconductor technology. In some areas they are inferior because of that.

As with the SMO in Ukraine has proven, so to will time bare testament to Russian advancements in other fields of technology.

And if semiconductors were such a huge deal, then how come Americans have not fielded combat ready hypersonic missiles, whereas the Russians have not only fielded but also successfully demonstrated its fire power in actual combat?

The West has lost its technological dominance and as for Russia, the West will not ever be able to dominate or subdue the Russian Federation ... period!

 

[KaiserX]

I know what you mean. The anti-Russian sentiment is rampant and I think it's really unfortunate. I've always been of the mindset that instead of constantly labeling Russia as a potential enemy after the cold war, the US should have reached out to Russia and created a worldly partnership to ease the tensions and help broker a better relationship with Europe. Instead, the US has really put an emphasis on keeping Russia labeled as a villain that needs to be depleted into an insignificant entity.

As a result of that, the Europeans -- and specifically NATO -- have pushed their way into making Russia more and more isolated and paranoid about the West's intentions. Ukraine and the Baltic states have been a huge point of contention for Russia with NATO's pushing for military meddling in those countries that one can't blame Russia for being pissed off that it could lose the safe buffer zone at its western border. I can just imagine what the US would do if the roles were reversed.

Then there's all the financial and military aid pouring into Ukraine making you wonder what if Russia did the same thing for Iraq in 2003 and on? But it has never assisted US & NATO enemies in times of wars the way they have in Ukraine. And it's only going to get worse. The attack on Pskov and destroying the 2 IL-76s will most likely draw a vicious retaliation from Moscow. And if it doesn't, Russia's reputation will suffer even more. It really has no choice, but it needs to be certain if it came from Ukraine, or Lithuania or any of the other Baltic states first.

But hey, at least Pakistan also has a couple of the world's best attack choppers in the Z-10 and the AH-1 Cobra. Too bad the AH-1Z Viper was rejected. That would've been something but from my understanding, Pakistan Army has gone for the CZ-10 and maybe the Turkish T-129. The Mi-35 is also a mean beast.

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I couldn't understand how they were very sloppy in the early months of the war, sending single Ka-52s into hot zones without cover or recon and pre-clearing of potential hazardous ambushes knowing quite well the Ukrainians are loaded with MANPADS & SAMs. Rarely using the defensive capabilities of the Ka-52 which did work on several occasions, particularly the President-S early warning and flares but they didn't use them to their fullest potential it seemed. At least they've come to their senses and have since used better tactics to avoid such heavy losses.

They could've easily seen what the US went through in Iraq and then switched to flying "wolf packs" and never sending one helo into a hot zone all by itself without any recon or clearing house.

In Sinai, the EGY military would send in F-16s & MiG-29s to target intel targets and soften them with heavy bombing before sending a minimum of 6 Apaches at a time with ground forces in classic combined arms tactics to clear out more delicate and dense areas. 3 helos would cover the other 3 that would target and destroy cretin vermin hideouts and positions. Worked out well. They're yet to use these guys, though, from my understanding.

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Russia forgot 1 factor the US was successful in invading Iraq due to its overwhelming firepower and blanket precision bombing campaigns before sending its main armor thrust into take the capital Baghdad.

Russians did the complete opposite. They literally sent their best ground/armoures forces straight into battle without any sustained bombing campaign before. Later Russia realized its mistake but it was far to late.

Russia has lost 70% of its most combat capable tanks. Not a small figure. And now when you include Ukraine is bombing russia airfields within russia since the last months you ask yourself- What air defence doing???

Its no surprise that Russia is now fighting a defensive attritional war similar to how Iran fought for years during the Iran-iraq war… attritional trench warfare utilizing drones, artillery, and waves of infantry. The few modern Tanks/attack helis the russians have left will only now be used for infantry support. Something they should have been utilized for from the very beginning.

Hundreds of videos of russia tank battle groups aimlessly driving thru narrow village road with no infantry being seen in sight later half the tanks in the btg are being blown to pieces.

Better late than never though

 

[Nasr]

Your assessment is off the mark. Have a look at Russian hardware losses in Ukraine:

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

NATO-supplied hardware is doing well in the war, but Ukrainian forces still have significant capability gaps and not equipped to rout Russian forces in the war. Ukrainian jets cannot defeat Russian jets and help turn the tide of the war either.

War in Ukraine has rather shown that Russian military is not equipped to fight NATO.

First Photos of Destroyed Leopard and Bradley’s, confirmed

If that were the case and NATO hardware is so superior, then how is it that Russian forces hold Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaparozhe, Kherson and Crimea for over 18 months of combat?

And if NATO is so powerful, why aren't NATO troops in Ukraine to beat back the Russians out of alleged Ukrainian territory?


Reality is that the Russians never went with the intent to invade Ukraine and usurp the country. Russia sent its military as a move to show the West that it will not tolerate NATO at its doorstep, nor the killing of Russian speaking Ukrainians (now Russian citizens). The West was given ample opportunities to reach a negotiated settlement, yet as the Minsk Accords have proven, the West has never been interested in peace.

Russian military has adapted after the first few months of the SMO, after realizing that there is no one in the West, willing to negotiate for peace. As proven by 1st of April 2022 appearance of the then British Prime Minister in Kiev to derail the Ankara hosted peace talks between Ukraine and Russian Federation.

Militarily, Russia has expanded its initial force of 190,000 troops, to a massive 700,000 troops stationed all across the Eastern Arc of the contact line. Russian missile barrages have debunked the claim by Western news media that Russia is running out of missiles. HIMARS has been decoded and successfully been neutralized. Production of Kinzhals has been ramped up. Artiyomovsk (Bakhmut) is under Russian military control. Ukrainian military has failed to even reach the 1st defensive line of the Russians, since the start of the much touted, so-called Ukrainian Counter-Offensive and we are approaching the rainy autumn season.

All this, despite the apparent "crippling economic sanctions" on Russia.

So no thanks, I don't believe even an iota worth of argument which suggests that NATO could ever be superior or would win in a conventional war with Russia.

 

[TheSolution]

Funny how on this very forum, quite a few members were running their mouth like rabid dogs on Russian military hardware is pathetic and useless. And now when the Russians are whooping the West all over Ukraine and Western military hardware is being trashed by the Russian Military ... some of those same members are all praises.

I did not forget how I used to get attacked when I would suggest Pakistan buy Russian military hardware and to develop close economic and political ties with Russia.

The stench of hypocrisy is all too apparent.

Jahils will always be what they are ... JAHILS. No matter how many degrees they may have under their belt.

This is literally the only piece of equipment with good PR so far

 

[nahtanbob]

And if semiconductors were such a huge deal, then how come Americans have not fielded combat ready hypersonic missiles, whereas the Russians have not only fielded but also successfully demonstrated its fire power in actual combat?

The West has lost its technological dominance and as for Russia, the West will not ever be able to dominate or subdue the Russian Federation ... period!

Semiconductors is a huge deal in electronic warfare, electronic intelligence, precision guided munitions, surveillance and communications. Count the number of Russian generals killed in the war

Who has the West lost their technological dominance to ?

 

[Nasr]

This is literally the only piece of equipment with good PR so far

You were saying?

Presentation of the Modern Systems of Artillery Fire Control / August 18, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.

Presentation of the Modern Systems of Artillery Fire Control / August 18, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.

www.youtube.com

 

[jhungary]

There either former or current U.S military personnel fighting Ukrainian uniform. Call Signs, radio chatter relates to non-Ukrainians. American mercenaries are also there, but military former or current, from America, Britain, France, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Germany and the Baltic States, are present and fighting in Ukraine against the Russian Forces.

You are talking about Equipment, not menpower

You do know NATO soldier even involved in Ukraine privately cannot bring NATO equipment. You may be able to blend people into a war, but seeing stuff that Ukraine don't have and NATO have cannot be explained away,

Just because American or British volunteer is fighting in Ukraine, that does not mean they can bring their Artillery, Fighter Jet and Tanks to Ukraine....

Patriots failed against Kinzhals, proven and debunked the capability of Patriots in Jazeera-ul-Arab (Yemen War) and Ukraine (SMO) against saturation attacks and cruise /hypersonic missiles. The latest version of Patriots is what current users want, now more desperately, since they know the older modified version is junk.

HIMARS has been successfully intercepted on multiple times and is documented , so we have started hearing less about them. Ukrainians are now using the cluster munitions more.

lol, Whether Patriot is effective is debatable, I will give you that. However, this is a FACT that since Patriot was introduced in battlefield, Russia almost stopped their attack with Kinzhal or using subsonic cruise missile, the last subsonic cruise missile strike is on the 27th August and the one before that is 7th August, that's almost 3 weeks (20 days) without cruise missile strike. Now you can say that challenge is bogus, but if they do, why not continue using Kinzhal?

And HIMARS had been carrying on destroying Russian military structure both on the frontline and at the rear, if you hear less about them, that's probably you choose not to hear them.

This is just last month and it took me 4 minutes to look it up, i can probably give you more if I log into my Telegram account.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/08/02/ukraine-himars-missile-attack-kherson-contd-lon-orig-tp.cnn

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23684...tins-160million-radar-station-himars-missile/

At the begining of 2022, before Russian forces entered Eastern Ukraine .... the Ukrainian forces were poised to invade its Eastern territories and destroy the Donbass militias. Russian forces have absorbed Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhia regions of Ukraine. 2014, Russian forces peacefully absorbed Crimea.

lol, the war has been frozen for 8 years, and you think the Ukrainian is going to attack Donbas in 2022? Why not 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021?

The reason why Ukraine did not attack is because they were afraid to draw Russia in an open war (a la what happened now) and had Russia did not invade Ukraine generally, I am pretty sure the line stays where it was. Because Ukraine and the world will not be able to see Russian incompetence.

Russia had not absorb anything, and now that they have invaded, Ukraine is going to attack because that taboo is gone, and Russia Offensive is dead on water now because they are the one that starting to build defensive structure, which mean if this war drawn on, Ukraine can crawl these land, even Crimea, back bit by bit unless Russia want to support this infinite war that can literally last generations, And I am pretty sure no country in the world can do it, the last time the Russian tried it is at Afghanistan, they hold it for 9 years, US tried in Afghanistan for 20, 12 for Vietnam, and I am pretty sure Ukraine will not normalise their relationship with Russia and a state of war is going to continue for these two parties in the next 2 decades, that is if the Russian can hold on that long.

 

[LeGenD]

If that were the case and NATO hardware is so superior, then how is it that Russian forces hold Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaparozhe, Kherson and Crimea for over 18 months of combat?

The bulk of Ukrainian forces is composed of Soviet-origin hardware with limited improvements. You expect this force to blitzkrieg through well-dug Russian defensive lines? You need to focus on what type of munitions and hardware formations are needed to cut through well-dug Russian defensive lines, a capability that US-led forces can bring to the table but Ukraine does not.

And if NATO is so powerful, why aren't NATO troops in Ukraine to beat back the Russians out of alleged Ukrainian territory?

A war is not fought on chest-thumping grounds or prove something to skeptics. You can gauge capability of any side from careful examination of developments and if you are able to look through propaganda.

Reality is that the Russians never went with the intent to invade Ukraine and usurp the country. Russia sent its military as a move to show the West that it will not tolerate NATO at its doorstep, nor the killing of Russian speaking Ukrainians (now Russian citizens). The West was given ample opportunities to reach a negotiated settlement, yet as the Minsk Accords have proven, the West has never been interested in peace.

Russian forces were directed to take Kyiv and execute regime change in Ukraine back in 2022, but they faced defeat in this sector and were routed:

Destination Disaster: Russia’s Failure At Hostomel Airport

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Russia armor is not survivable and Russian Air Force is lacking in precision strikes capability. This is why Russian forces flopped in Kyiv in very simple terms.

Russian military has adapted after the first few months of the SMO, after realizing that there is no one in the West, willing to negotiate for peace. As proven by 1st of April 2022 appearance of the then British Prime Minister in Kiev to derail the Ankara hosted peace talks between Ukraine and Russian Federation.

Yes, Russians have learned some lessons from failure in Kyiv and Kharkiv, and were able to create multi-layered defenses in other sectors.

But you may never know. Keep an eye on developments in Robotyne and surroundings.

With a Village Recaptured, Ukraine Takes the Next Step in Its Counteroffensive

After penetrating Russian defenses to retake the village of Robotyne, Ukrainian forces have pushed the fight a few miles east, but formidable obstacles lie ahead.

www.nytimes.com

This is the sector where Ukrainian forces are looking to cut through Russian defenses.

Militarily, Russia has expanded its initial force of 190,000 troops, to a massive 700,000 troops stationed all across the Eastern Arc of the contact line.

And where was this mighty force when Wagner was moving towards Moscow?

Russian missile barrages have debunked the claim by Western news media that Russia is running out of missiles.

Yes, this was a bad assumption.

HIMARS has been decoded and successfully been neutralized. Production of Kinzhals has been ramped up.

False claim and propaganda.

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Check kinetic power of a standard HIMARS rocket:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667822769927512064

The ground literally shook.

Check accuracy of HIMARS:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668779733012873217

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669104302181195778

Direct hit(s) on vehicles - each is completely destroyed.

More strikes are documented:

HIMARS defeat S-400 system

Ukraine has used HIMARS to defeat S-400 system components on different occasions in the war. 1st event: https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fi%2Fweb%2Fstatus%2F1663600729775554561...

defence.pk

It is not difficult to dig out facts if you are good at searching.

Now let me you tell you the problem:

1. Ukraine has a total of 20 HIMARS in total. This is not enough to turn the tide of war.
2. US has not given long-range HIMARS munitions to Ukraine to make it possible for Ukrainian forces to take out Russian assets well behind front lines.

Americans have soft corner for Russians, this is why you see big names like Donald Trump and Elon Musk not wanting to support Ukraine.

When Elon cut off Ukraine's access to Starlink, he claimed that Russians had jammed his network. Absolutely false claim.

When US was not providing HIMARS to Ukraine, some in US claimed that Russia had jammed HIMARS. Absolutely false claim.

Americans overhype Russians and use this as a pretext to not support Ukraine. US could develop a very strong Ukrainian army long ago but this was not given priority. WE still do not see US training legions of Ukrainian troops and helping Ukraine in a significant way.

Russian advances in Syria and Ukraine are entirely due to American soft corner and tacit approval.

Ukrainian leadership is frustrated but Zelensky was told to SU and be thankful for the limited support.

It is easy to mock Ukraine, a country that was not prepared to fight a war with a neighboring giant.

Ukraine has no choice but to utilize its weapons calculatingly. Blitzkrieg is not possible.

Artiyomovsk (Bakhmut) is under Russian military control.

Ukraine is keeping Russia busy in this sector.

Ukrainian military has failed to even reach the 1st defensive line of the Russians, since the start of the much touted, so-called Ukrainian Counter-Offensive and we are approaching the rainy autumn season.

As noted above, keep an eye on developments in Robotyne and surroundings.

All this, despite the apparent "crippling economic sanctions" on Russia.

So no thanks, I don't believe even an iota worth of argument which suggests that NATO could ever be superior or would win in a conventional war with Russia.

Russian economy is not doing well at all. Have you been to Russia to see how people are doing there?

But Russian economy cannot be shut down in its entirety because the world is bigger than OECD bloc and multiple countries buy stuff from Russia. China is also supporting Russia in any way it can.

US is on another level entirely in comparison to Ukraine in literally any metric of war. I can draw this comparison for you in a table but this will take a while and I will do this when I have time. NATO can do to Russia what it did to Iraq in a conventional war but US will not take action because Americans have soft corner for Russians.

 

[KAL-EL]

Blue Thunder should get an honorable mention here

 

[Michel Niesten]

The KA-52 Alligator is a good helicopter, with efficient weapon systems.
The war in Ukraine however shows even good helicopters are not good enough.
39 KA52 have been lost, many with their crew. Only few crewmembers survived with a successful ejection.
So about one-third of Russian active fleet of KA-52 have been shot down.
So if they are the best attack helicopter ever?
Loss ratio says otherwise.

In my opinion the RAH-66 Comanche would have been a very good helicopter too, until it’s program was cancelled over cost increases

 

[Ali_Baba]

The KA-52 Alligator is a good helicopter, with efficient weapon systems.
The war in Ukraine however shows even good helicopters are not good enough.
39 KA52 have been lost, many with their crew. Only few crewmembers survived with a successful ejection.
So about one-third of Russian active fleet of KA-52 have been shot down.
So if they are the best attack helicopter ever?
Loss ratio says otherwise.

In my opinion the RAH-66 Comanche would have been a very good helicopter too, until it’s program was cancelled over cost increases

Agree - and then there is the new debate of Drones vs Attack Helicopters argument on the cost/risk/effectiveness ratios of the two approaches.

 

[Nasr]

You are talking about Equipment, not men power.

American Army:

Why is the U.S. military struggling to recruit young Americans?

With a record low number of Americans eligible to serve, and few of those willing to do it, this "is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force,” said an expert.

www.nbcnews.com

British Army:

Recruit numbers in Armed Forces fall by 30% amid warning

The number of recruits enlisting in the UK's Armed Forces has dropped by 30 per cent as Russia wages war on Europe's doorstep.

www.dailymail.co.uk

German Army:

German military facing recruitment gap, says commissioner – DW – 04/02/2023

The Bundeswehr is facing recruitment issues that are even worse than its lack of equipment, a top official has said. Commissioner Eva Högl said a plan to boost personnel numbers is "unattainable."

www.dw.com

Swedish Army:

Recruitment Woes Plague Swedish Military

Recruiting soldiers to the Swedish Armed Forces following the abolishment of mandatory conscription has proven harder than expected, with the military...

www.defense-aerospace.com

Low serviceability of U.S military:

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

You do know NATO soldier even involved in Ukraine privately cannot bring NATO equipment. You may be able to blend people into a war, but seeing stuff that Ukraine don't have and NATO have cannot be explained away,

N-LAWS, Javelins, Leapords, Mardars, Challenges, Abrams, HIMARS, TB-2s, Strykers, M113s .... if that is not NATO equipment, than what is? Also, if it cannot be proven that NATO military personnel in Ukraine aren't using their own equipment, the opposite cannot be proven either.

Just because American or British volunteer is fighting in Ukraine, that does not mean they can bring their Artillery, Fighter Jet and Tanks to Ukraine....

At first, Washington said it would not give long range weapons and then they gave the Ukrainians, HIMARS. Then Washington said that they would not give them tanks, they are giving them Abrams, Strykers and Bradleys. Then they said they wouldn't give them fighter-jets or long range precision weapons and now they are giving them F-16s and ATACMs.

If these are not NATO standard weapons, what are NATO fighting with? Plasma guns? Teleportation Devices? Iron-Man Suits?

lol, Whether Patriot is effective is debatable, I will give you that. However, this is a FACT that since Patriot was introduced in battlefield, Russia almost stopped their attack with Kinzhal or using subsonic cruise missile, the last subsonic cruise missile strike is on the 27th August and the one before that is 7th August, that's almost 3 weeks (20 days) without cruise missile strike. Now you can say that challenge is bogus, but if they do, why not continue using Kinzhal?

You were saying?

Kyiv hit by biggest Russian air strike in months

Russia's largest air strike on Kyiv since spring killed two people early on Wednesday, with the debris of downed missiles falling on buildings, a park and a school, Ukrainian officials said.

www.reuters.com

And HIMARS had been carrying on destroying Russian military structure both on the frontline and at the rear, if you hear less about them, that's probably you choose not to hear them.

This is just last month and it took me 4 minutes to look it up, i can probably give you more if I log into my Telegram account.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/08/02/ukraine-himars-missile-attack-kherson-contd-lon-orig-tp.cnn

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23684...tins-160million-radar-station-himars-missile/

And?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-himars-rockets-ukraine/index.HTML

Has Russia Neutralized Ukraine's NATO HIMARS?

Despite Rostec’s claims, HIMARS will remain an integral part of Kyiv’s defensive efforts in the future. And Putin will pay a price.

www.19fortyfive.com

lol, the war has been frozen for 8 years, and you think the Ukrainian is going to attack Donbas in 2022? Why not 2014? 2015? 2016? 2017? 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021?

UN Human Rights mission reports almost 10,000 killed in Donbass since 2014

Almost 10,000 people have been killed in Donbass since the beginning of the military conflict, with over 23,000 people injured, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (UNMMU) said on Wednesday. In April 2014, the people of the Donetsk...

www.sott.net

The reason why Ukraine did not attack is because they were afraid to draw Russia in an open war (a la what happened now) and had Russia did not invade Ukraine generally, I am pretty sure the line stays where it was. Because Ukraine and the world will not be able to see Russian incompetence.

There is a plethora of videos, photos and historical evidence which provides accurate account Neo-Nazi clique which took over the political, military, bureaucratic and intelligence leadership and enacted laws which banned the use of Russian language. Despite the fact that nearly all of eastern half of Ukraine speaks the Russian language.

Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia

Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.

www.reuters.com

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

If Ukraine was so adverse to Russia's reaction, then why did it ban the Russian language, when Ukrainians and Russians have a shared ethnic, cultural and religious history together?

Russia had not absorb anything, and now that they have invaded, Ukraine is going to attack because that taboo is gone, and Russia Offensive is dead on water now because they are the one that starting to build defensive structure, which mean if this war drawn on, Ukraine can crawl these land, even Crimea, back bit by bit unless Russia want to support this infinite war that can literally last generations, And I am pretty sure no country in the world can do it, the last time the Russian tried it is at Afghanistan, they hold it for 9 years, US tried in Afghanistan for 20, 12 for Vietnam, and I am pretty sure Ukraine will not normalise their relationship with Russia and a state of war is going to continue for these two parties in the next 2 decades, that is if the Russian can hold on that long.

If Ukraine can win, or is winning, then why is the Western MSM talking about NATO intervention in Ukraine from a certain Russian victory?

The reality is that the it is the West that has supported/sponsored Neo-Nazi takeover of Ukraine, lied about its sincerity of at Minsk Accords (documented), Odessa Town Hall massacre denial/ignored, Western mercenaries and ex-military in Ukraine, deployment of U.S troops in Romania and Poland, William Burns diplomatic cable stating clearly that Russians defined Red-Line on Ukraine in NATO.

$130 billion flushed down the toilet, 350000 Ukrainian troops killed, forced recruitment of Ukrainians into military, hundreds surrendering to Russians since Ukrainian military is unable to extract them.

The West is now at a critical juncture, because it chose to take on Russia through Ukrainian lives being lost. Russia is in a commanding position in this war, economically, politically and militarily.

The bulk of Ukrainian forces is composed of Soviet-origin hardware with limited improvements. You expect this force to blitzkrieg through well-dug Russian defensive lines? You need to focus on what type of munitions and hardware formations are needed to cut through well-dug Russian defensive lines, a capability that US-led forces can bring to the table but Ukraine does not.


A war is not fought on chest-thumping grounds or prove something to skeptics. You can gauge capability of any side from careful examination of developments and if you are able to look through propaganda.


Russian forces were directed to take Kyiv and execute regime change in Ukraine back in 2022, but they faced defeat in this sector and were routed:

Destination Disaster: Russia’s Failure At Hostomel Airport

www.oryxspioenkop.com

View attachment 950250

Russia armor is not survivable and Russian Air Force is lacking in precision strikes capability. This is why Russian forces flopped in Kyiv in very simple terms.


Yes, Russians have learned some lessons from failure in Kyiv and Kharkiv, and were able to create multi-layered defenses in other sectors.

But you may never know. Keep an eye on developments in Robotyne and surroundings.

With a Village Recaptured, Ukraine Takes the Next Step in Its Counteroffensive

After penetrating Russian defenses to retake the village of Robotyne, Ukrainian forces have pushed the fight a few miles east, but formidable obstacles lie ahead.

www.nytimes.com

This is the sector where Ukrainian forces are looking to cut through Russian defenses.


And where was this mighty force when Wagner was moving towards Moscow?


Yes, this was a bad assumption.


False claim and propaganda.

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Check kinetic power of a standard HIMARS rocket:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1667822769927512064

The ground literally shook.

Check accuracy of HIMARS:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1668779733012873217

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669104302181195778

Direct hit(s) on vehicles - each is completely destroyed.

More strikes are documented:

HIMARS defeat S-400 system

Ukraine has used HIMARS to defeat S-400 system components on different occasions in the war. 1st event: https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fi%2Fweb%2Fstatus%2F1663600729775554561...

defence.pk

It is not difficult to dig out facts if you are good at searching.

Now let me you tell you the problem:

1. Ukraine has a total of 20 HIMARS in total. This is not enough to turn the tide of war.
2. US has not given long-range HIMARS munitions to Ukraine to make it possible for Ukrainian forces to take out Russian assets well behind front lines.

Americans have soft corner for Russians, this is why you see big names like Donald Trump and Elon Musk not wanting to support Ukraine.

When Elon cut off Ukraine's access to Starlink, he claimed that Russians had jammed his network. Absolutely false claim.

When US was not providing HIMARS to Ukraine, some in US claimed that Russia had jammed HIMARS. Absolutely false claim.

Americans overhype Russians and use this as a pretext to not support Ukraine. US could develop a very strong Ukrainian army long ago but this was not given priority. WE still do not see US training legions of Ukrainian troops and helping Ukraine in a significant way.

Russian advances in Syria and Ukraine are entirely due to American soft corner and tacit approval.

Ukrainian leadership is frustrated but Zelensky was told to SU and be thankful for the limited support.

It is easy to mock Ukraine, a country that was not prepared to fight a war with a neighboring giant.

Ukraine has no choice but to utilize its weapons calculatingly. Blitzkrieg is not possible.


Ukraine is keeping Russia busy in this sector.

As noted above, keep an eye on developments in Robotyne and surroundings.


Russian economy is not doing well at all. Have you been to Russia to see how people are doing there?

But Russian economy cannot be shut down in its entirety because the world is bigger than OECD bloc and multiple countries buy stuff from Russia. China is also supporting Russia in any way it can.

US is on another level entirely in comparison to Ukraine in literally any metric of war. I can draw this comparison for you in a table but this will take a while and I will do this when I have time. NATO can do to Russia what it did to Iraq in a conventional war but US will not take action because Americans have soft corner for Russians.

That's all? after 18 months of war and 3 months of counter offensive? Don't sound like progress to me.

 

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American Army:

Why is the U.S. military struggling to recruit young Americans?

With a record low number of Americans eligible to serve, and few of those willing to do it, this "is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force,” said an expert.

www.nbcnews.com

British Army:

Recruit numbers in Armed Forces fall by 30% amid warning

The number of recruits enlisting in the UK's Armed Forces has dropped by 30 per cent as Russia wages war on Europe's doorstep.

www.dailymail.co.uk

German Army:

German military facing recruitment gap, says commissioner – DW – 04/02/2023

The Bundeswehr is facing recruitment issues that are even worse than its lack of equipment, a top official has said. Commissioner Eva Högl said a plan to boost personnel numbers is "unattainable."

www.dw.com

Swedish Army:

Recruitment Woes Plague Swedish Military

Recruiting soldiers to the Swedish Armed Forces following the abolishment of mandatory conscription has proven harder than expected, with the military...

www.defense-aerospace.com

Low serviceability of U.S military:

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

Are you for real? Or you have an attention span of a goldfish?

You were talking about NATO equipment, not soldiers. Soldier is a dude, you and I can be a soldier, it mean nothing...

N-LAWS, Javelins, Leapords, Mardars, Challenges, Abrams, HIMARS, TB-2s, Strykers, M113s .... if that is not NATO equipment, than what is? Also, if it cannot be proven that NATO military personnel in Ukraine aren't using their own equipment, the opposite cannot be proven either.

At first, Washington said it would not give long range weapons and then they gave the Ukrainians, HIMARS. Then Washington said that they would not give them tanks, they are giving them Abrams, Strykers and Bradleys. Then they said they wouldn't give them fighter-jets or long range precision weapons and now they are giving them F-16s and ATACMs.

If these are not NATO standard weapons, what are NATO fighting with? Plasma guns? Teleportation Devices? Iron-Man Suits?

Yeah, how many N-LAWS, Javelins, Leapords, Mardars, Challenges, Abrams, HIMARS, TB-2s, Strykers, M113s?

I will tell you how many

4000/24000 NLAW used by Ukraine
8000/50000 FGM-148 Javelin used by Ukraine
72/3600 Leapord 2 used by Ukraine
31/447 Challenger 2 used by Ukraine
31/8500 Abrams used by Ukraine
20/540 HIMARS used by Ukraine
48/500 TB2 used by Ukraine
200/4900 Stryker used by Ukraine
700/80,000 M113 used by Ukraine
110/6785 M2/3 Bradley used by Ukraine
37/441 CAESAR SPG used by Ukraine
200/2500 M777 Artillery used by Ukraine
200/12000 M109 Howitzer used by Ukraine

If the west want to arm Ukraine, they would have dump equipment on it, and if Russia is having such a trouble facing <15% Western Equipment, what do you think will happen if the west flooded Ukraine with Western Equipment

You need to face the fact that the majority of this war is fought with Russian equipment on both side.

You were saying?

Kyiv hit by biggest Russian air strike in months

Russia's largest air strike on Kyiv since spring killed two people early on Wednesday, with the debris of downed missiles falling on buildings, a park and a school, Ukrainian officials said.

www.reuters.com

Are you for real??

This is the 27 August Strike I was talking about

lol, Whether Patriot is effective is debatable, I will give you that. However, this is a FACT that since Patriot was introduced in battlefield, Russia almost stopped their attack with Kinzhal or using subsonic cruise missile, the last subsonic cruise missile strike is on the 27th August and the one before that is 7th August, that's almost 3 weeks (20 days) without cruise missile strike. Now you can say that challenge is bogus, but if they do, why not continue using Kinzhal?

the one before that is August 7, if you cannot do simple maths, let me count them out for you, 7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27. That's 20 days Russia usually had missile attack every week, sometime twice in a week, and that's 3 weeks between attacks.

And Russia had not used Kinzhal at all since May, again, if they are that effective and the Patriot interception is bogus, why not using them in August?

And?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/russia-jamming-himars-rockets-ukraine/index.HTML

Has Russia Neutralized Ukraine's NATO HIMARS?

Despite Rostec’s claims, HIMARS will remain an integral part of Kyiv’s defensive efforts in the future. And Putin will pay a price.

www.19fortyfive.com

UN Human Rights mission reports almost 10,000 killed in Donbass since 2014

Almost 10,000 people have been killed in Donbass since the beginning of the military conflict, with over 23,000 people injured, the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine (UNMMU) said on Wednesday. In April 2014, the people of the Donetsk...

www.sott.net

And yet, HIMARS Still taking out target in Donbas and Crimea

If we go by the figure Russian said how many HIMARS was destoryed, they already had the number at 40 more than Ukraine had.

There is a plethora of videos, photos and historical evidence which provides accurate account Neo-Nazi clique which took over the political, military, bureaucratic and intelligence leadership and enacted laws which banned the use of Russian language. Despite the fact that nearly all of eastern half of Ukraine speaks the Russian language.

Ukraine passes language law, irritating president-elect and Russia

Ukraine's parliament approved a law on Thursday that grants special status to the Ukrainian language and makes it mandatory for public sector workers, a move Russia described as divisive and said discriminated against Russian-speakers.

www.reuters.com

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

If Ukraine was so adverse to Russia's reaction, then why did it ban the Russian language, when Ukrainians and Russians have a shared ethnic, cultural and religious history together?

That's not the same as Ukraine wanting to attack. You can't attack unless you have troop surge, like what the Russian did back in Dec 2021 before they are set to attack Ukraine. otherwise what are you going to use for an attack? Saying Neo Nazi controlling the country and inhibit Russian language, even if you are correct, that is not sign an attack is imminent. Repositioning troop and increase supply flow is, like this

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076699748/ukraine-russian-attack-preparation