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Pakistan ordering 8 Block 60 F16's ?

Do you think the US will sell Block 60 F16's to pakistan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 39.7%
  • No

    Votes: 65 49.6%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 14 10.7%

  • Total voters
    131
  • Poll closed .
But aren't jf-17s better than f-16s?
Not yet.
Instead of buying new F-16s, why not just to upgrade existing F-16s to V level. The F-16V is a common sense upgrade for F-16s that need to stay relevant for decades to come and its “open architecture” allows for further upgrades down the line. This face-lift of the F-16 is almost entirely internal, but it gives the most successful 4th generation fighter a quantum leap in capabilities.

The F-16V will be available in both upgrade form for older F-16s and in new production aircraft. This new configuration features a slew of upgrades, most notably is Northrop Grumman’s APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) Scalable Agile Beam Radar, also known as SABR. This new radar allows simultaneous air-to-ground and air-to-air modes and offers a huge leap in fidelity, range, target identification, jamming resistence and detectability over the F-16C/D’s APG-68 series of mechanically scanned array radars.

An updated cockpit layout with full color displays and a large center pedestal display, similar to what was offered to India in the guise of the F-16IN, is also included in the F-16Vp package. Additionally, a new modular mission computer, digital electronic warfare system, ground collision avoidance system, high capacity Ethernet data bus and an advanced Link 16 datalink with satellite connectivity round out the F-16V’s primary features.

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The F-16V configuration takes to the air for the first time over Fort Worth, Texas:

First F-16V Flies But Its New Features Won't Show Up On USAF Models
Upgrading wont be the option PAF would choose because it was recently we upgraded all our older F-16s through Mid Life Upgrade.
 
Actually the fact is that the PPP Govt. between 2008-2013 looted our economy in such a big way that we not left with enough funds to go for the J-10B and also run the Thunder program simultaneously. Pakistan has no issues with Russian engines and the one on the Thunder is Russian.
No sorry cant blame PPP alone others are not saint in higher positions in Pakistan. Everyone is blamed or maybe no one rather a stupid decisions were made thats why our country is in this position now... ? dont u think so brother ?
 
Sir,

To be an American DOG is a very enviable position. You should try it as well----.


I think Pakistan should be a Dawg with the U.S. And vis-a-vis. The Dawg is a slang for the best friend or a "home boy". That's where Pak PM and the U.S. Administration were going. Become best friends and continue to increase the past 70 years of friendship to new heights. It'll take time to grow this relationship to new heights, but there is no stopping if both parties are honest to each other!
 
No sorry cant blame PPP alone others are not saint in higher positions in Pakistan. Everyone is blamed or maybe no one rather a stupid decisions were made thats why our country is in this position now... ? dont u think so brother ?

Not saying others are saints. But the level of corruption and bad governance shown between 2008 and 2013 is unparalleled in the country's history. Even the current Govt. is corrupt to the core. But even then they have tried to at least to put on a show that they are doing something. The Zardari era was testament to willful and brazen corruption. Remember a PPP minister on a talk show, said that they also have the right to indulge in corruption.
 
I think Pakistan should be a Dawg with the U.S. And vis-a-vis. The Dawg is a slang for the best friend or a "home boy". That's where Pak PM and the U.S. Administration were going. Become best friends and continue to increase the past 70 years of friendship to new heights. It'll take time to grow this relationship to new heights, but there is no stopping if both parties are honest to each other!


Only thing is that the americans have no intention ever to help Pakistan become strong or give us anything that really benefits us. If they did, they would be offering us F-22 and F-35. america has never helped Pakistan and has always tried to undermine us. So no amount of sucking up to them will change that.
 
Dr. Shahid Masood in his show mentioned 16 but it's not confirm at this time.
 
Only thing is that the americans have no intention ever to help Pakistan become strong or give us anything that really benefits us. If they did, they would be offering us F-22 and F-35. america has never helped Pakistan and has always tried to undermine us. So no amount of sucking up to them will change that.


It's people like you and your mentality that's caused a gap in the U.S. , Pakistan's relationship. Instead of people like you actually trying to do the hard work to grow your nation to where it can be a rich, independent sovereign state, you guys will shift the blame for a total lack of hard work and care for your country to setting unreal and beggar like expectation as if you are the 51st U.S state!!!! The U.S isn't even giving the Europeans the F-22, what's so special about Pakistan????

Grow your country, pay taxes, elect leaders who actually work instead of talking and accusing others like lazy people. Pakistan can't afford the laziness she's experienced by her nation, politicians and the military for the past 6+ decades. If Pakistan had the economy like Turkey or Malaysia, she can pay cash for F-16's block 60, or be a partner in the JSF, like Turkey is.

When you don't have the buying power, and you ask for foreign aid, special financing and all, you can be rest assured the other party will make sure their interests are protected. It's no different than going to a bank in Pakistan and getting a commercial loan out. The bank will make you sign on your property to make sure their interests are protected!!!

@MastanKhan : do you want to address the above post I responded to? It's time the Pakistanis show some positive attitude towards the U.S., for a better future relationship. Perception is reality and that should be changed!!

Dr. Shahid Masood in his show mentioned 16 but it's not confirm at this time.

8 new first, more later, hopefully on cash deal, to be paid when deliveries start. Plus may be a couple of squadrons of used, low flying hours jets too. Things will start to mature up in the next few months.
 
It's people like you and your mentality that's caused a gap in the U.S. , Pakistan's relationship. Instead of people like you actually trying to do the hard work to grow your nation to where it can be a rich, independent sovereign state, you guys will shift the blame for a total lack of hard work and care for your country to setting unreal and beggar like expectation as if you are the 51st U.S state!!!! The U.S isn't even giving the Europeans the F-22, what's so special about Pakistan????

Grow your country, pay taxes, elect leaders who actually work instead of talking and accusing others like lazy people. Pakistan can't afford the laziness she's experienced by her nation, politicians and the military for the past 6+ decades. If Pakistan had the economy like Turkey or Malaysia, she can pay cash for F-16's block 60, or be a partner in the JSF, like Turkey is.

When you don't have the buying power, and you ask for foreign aid, special financing and all, you can be rest assured the other party will make sure their interests are protected. It's no different than going to a bank in Pakistan and getting a commercial loan out. The bank will make you sign on your property to make sure their interests are protected!!!

@MastanKhan : do you want to address the above post I responded to? It's time the Pakistanis show some positive attitude towards the U.S., for a better future relationship. Perception is reality and that should be changed!!



8 new first, more later, hopefully on cash deal, to be paid when deliveries start. Plus may be a couple of squadrons of used, low flying hours jets too. Things will start to mature up in the next few months.


The biggest problem Pakistan suffers from is what all the non western/European nations (except China and Japan) suffers from. The inability to completely indigenously produce cutting edge, high tech military hardware and equipment from start to finish. Without any foreign assistance. Somehow, Pakistan needs to learn how to. If they could do that, all our problems would be solved. Worshipping the americans will never help us achieve this. In fact it would be counter productive. This is the blunt truth with regards to Pakistan's relationship with america. No rudeness or offence intended.
 
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Pakistan won't say anything, it may even completely ignore this entire offer and not comment at all. Remember the previous approval? The US offered a number of AH-1Z attack helis, and 1000 hellfire missiles, plus a number of other systems, but Pakistan still has yet to even comment on it; I'd go so far as to say that Pakistan is ignoring the offer on purpose, to snub the US.

With China backing Pakistan fully, and Russia coming into the China-Pakistan camp, the US is starting to realize that it won't be able to exert influence on Pakistan. With what is happening in the South Asia and Middle East regions, the US is realizing it's mistake of pushing Pakistan. This is why you're seeing the US trying to win over Pakistan again, with (recently) supporting the CPEC project and offering to get involved, along various defense deal offers. It seems the US needs Pakistan more than the other way around.

That's not to say that Pakistan should cut of relations with the US. The US is still an important ally, and relations must improve with them, if Pakistan wants to continue having good relations with the west. While there are a number of concerns that Pakistanis have, they must never forget that the US HAS done a LOT of good in Pakistan. Despite the sour relations that both sides have had for a very long time (far longer than 9/11), Pakistan and the US have had to rely on each other a lot, and will continue to do so. Both have a shared destiny, one that (despite what may US lawmakers may think, including the white house) cannot be replaced with India. Neither nation, no matter how bad relations get, will declare the other hostile. Any fighting that occurs, will be kept covert, off the screen, behind closed doors, simply because both know that relations between the two are far too important to get rid off.
Thanks for a sensible analysis
 
Just like the Frenchies are making $$$ for the last one decade :D

now you are in love with China stuff, but you gotta wonder why China won't sell you a more capable fighters like the J-10B or J-11.

I also wish the U.S would stop selling to Pakistan :D can make so much more $$ dealing with the Indians.
 
It's people like you and your mentality that's caused a gap in the U.S. , Pakistan's relationship. Instead of people like you actually trying to do the hard work to grow your nation to where it can be a rich, independent sovereign state, you guys will shift the blame for a total lack of hard work and care for your country to setting unreal and beggar like expectation as if you are the 51st U.S state!!!! The U.S isn't even giving the Europeans the F-22, what's so special about Pakistan????

Grow your country, pay taxes, elect leaders who actually work instead of talking and accusing others like lazy people. Pakistan can't afford the laziness she's experienced by her nation, politicians and the military for the past 6+ decades. If Pakistan had the economy like Turkey or Malaysia, she can pay cash for F-16's block 60, or be a partner in the JSF, like Turkey is.

When you don't have the buying power, and you ask for foreign aid, special financing and all, you can be rest assured the other party will make sure their interests are protected. It's no different than going to a bank in Pakistan and getting a commercial loan out. The bank will make you sign on your property to make sure their interests are protected!!!

@MastanKhan : do you want to address the above post I responded to? It's time the Pakistanis show some positive attitude towards the U.S., for a better future relationship. Perception is reality and that should be changed!!



8 new first, more later, hopefully on cash deal, to be paid when deliveries start. Plus may be a couple of squadrons of used, low flying hours jets too. Things will start to mature up in the next few months.


Hi,

Thank you very much---. The problem is again of that of a weak leadership----. Pakistanis need to understand that nothing comes cheap----relationships need to be managed and maintained thru real hard work and perseverance.

It is not the fault of the U S A that Pakistan gets blamed for everything---it is the faut of the Pakistanis that they don't talk back in the same manner---.

If the U S puts the fault on Pakistan---then Pakistan also has 20 things to throw back at the U S-----. Pakistanis just don't knw how to talk back at the U S----they can do it in a pleasant manner and rip a hole----but they are clueless----.

Pakistani politicians are muts----. Between Nawaz and Zardari---there is not a single person with a backbone---. Backbone does not mean that you start t butt heads----but means that you lay your points across forcefuly---and if it happens the second time---go on the U S media forums----.

If the U S general after having a meeting with Gen Kiyani in spai comes to the U S and starts bashing pak military suddenly----then Gen Kiyani is duty bound to shout Back at the U S Gen thru the same media----and just does not keep his mouth shut and act mad.

Pakistanis need to learn to get out of stupid mindset----.

If Pakistan talks back----what is the U S going to do that it is not already doing---. It is going to do nothing more----.

So---to blame the U S for all our miseries is incorrect---you just do not know how to deal with them.

Even your glorious Benazir Bhutto could not do anything to manipulate the americans.

In old cultures----there were warriors and then there were merchants / farmers---and both stuck to their jobs-----like in japan---china----Russia---Europe----Hindustan----soldiers would bring war---merchants / farmers would sell, buy grow produce and they could also do bargaining.

But the americans have changed everything----americans are merchant / soldiers at the same time----. That is a very unique phenomenon----.

I repeat it again as I have done it a hundred time---. Inn 1991---I am working in Beverly Hills----I have fairly rich Jewish client----we were talking---he says to say---"---- do you really think that the americans love us----absolutely not----we make a sales pitch to them every moment----" ---that sales pitch is made to the govt on one side---and to the public on the other side.

The problem here is with the Pakistanis---in their learning abilities---ask them to steal funds---steal property---bribes---make cheap product---mix bad product in the good product and while reciting the name of Allah---they will all do this in a heart beat without taking a burp----but ask them to learn to deal with the americans---and they get a heart attack----.

So---when I made my first car deal in 1989---and I think like a profit of $5000---it was to an American indian---my Boss says---" don't strut around---you are not a salesman yet---Do it to a white guy and then I will acknowledge you "----.

All this bit-ching and moaning I hear from the Pakistanis---they simply do not know how to talk to the whitey----.

Sell the sizzle not the steak----. Sell them on the idea that why you are indispensable----sell them on your importance---sell them on your history together----and you cannot stop making that pitch---it is done 24/7----if you like it or not.

Which is superior the Block 60 or the Gripen.

Hi,

How are you sir? Our BLK 3 JF 17 is gong to be superior than the Grippen NG with the " total overall " package----which means the Aesa and other electronics package---AS, AA and AShM---smart weapons----day/night all weather capabilities.

There is no other singe engine aircraft integrated with all three---BLK 60 would be at least a couple of levels above and ahead of the Grippen NG.
 
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I think you got your answer below. Block 60 is far superior to the Gripen. The only thing they might share are the AMRAAMS and Sidewinders. The rest (the entire plane, i.e. the Block 60, capability wise) is much superior.
I already knew that. Those who have been reading my posts. know that my knowledge of the Blk60/61 is not limited to this forum.

But thanks for stating the obvious.
 
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