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by financialexpress.com

Scientists have developed a new method to detect traces of pork and horsemeat in ‘halal’ meat, including beef, chicken and lamb, amid the recent controversy over the horsemeat scandal in Europe.

The new method has been developed by scientists at the University of Munster, Germany, along with those from AB SCIEX, a global leader in analytical technology.

The method, which was recently published in the Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry, uses liquid chromatography and tandem mass spectrometry to detect a number of biomarker peptides that are specific to pig and/or horse.

It allows food-testing laboratories to test products for traces of pork and horse meat quickly and easily, a statement released here said.

The mislabelling of meat products sold for human consumption has serious implications from safety and ethical perspectives. With recent news stories of pork and horse meat contamination in different parts of the world, a renewed need for specialized testing of the food supply has rapidly arisen, it said.

For Muslim and Jewish communities, in particular, it is critical for consumers to know whether there is even the slightest contamination of foods that are considered permissible to eat (halal and kosher), having been prepared in accordance with Islamic or Jewish beliefs, respectively.

This new finding is an effort to help serve the interests of these communities that together make up approximately 23 per cent of the global population, the statement said.

Major concerns about inaccurate, fraudulent or misleading labelling of meat-based products were raised during 2013 following numerous reports of horse and pig meat being detected, but not disclosed as contents, in beef-based products sold in supermarket chains across Europe.

We are continuing our AB SCIEX tradition in partnering with experts in industry and academia to develop analytical tools that solve big problems,” said Vincent Paez, senior director of food and environmental department at AB SCIEX.

The halal testing method is a new tool that effectively addresses the safety, religious, ethical and dietary concerns of consumers who avoid products with pig and horse meat,” Paez said.

Scientists at AB SCIEX are continuing to look into other similar.

Scientists develop new halal meat test | MuslimVillage.com

Source: http://www.financialexpress.com/
 
Last years incident really caused some advancements in detection methods!
lol thy shud first let a female horse to eat da meat ...dat if its her hubby's meat we are eatin in burgers n pizza these days:enjoy:.....who can detect it better than his own wife:p: jk
 
Even big-lizards are Halaal :-)
LINK to another thread.
Ahadees on Lizard eating


It's halal :D
no its not haha


Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Messenger forbade the eating of donkey meat and allowed the eating of horse meat.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4219, In-book reference : Book 64, Hadith 259, Online English reference : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 530


It was narrated that Jabir said: "We used to eat horse meat during the time of the Messenger of Allah."
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4330, In-book reference : Book 42, Hadith 68, English translation : Vol. 5, Book 42, Hadith 4335

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Video on issue of falsely-so-called Jhatka-Meat. I said falsely because it's a mis-conception that it's killed with a Jhatka. They just stun the animal with a bang on its head, it's still alive, then animal is slaughtered afterwards.


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Muslims have takes Halal meat issue to too extreme. Most of muslims just follow band-wagon without bothering to study WHAT the requirements to halal actually ARE!!!

2 things are required; severing of blood vessels to allow the blood to flow & taking the name of God Almighty. The way they slaughter in West (which I have seen) they sever the neck vessels & let the blood flow. So one condition fulfilled. As to 2nd condition, Hadees below make a permission that we can say name of God even after meat is prepared. The video posted also says the same.

One misconception that is common is "Jhatkay Walaa Meat". They think that animals are killed by striking them on head etc. Which is wrong. They stun the animal by hitting it on back of neck/head & presume that in doing so animal will NOT feel the pain of slaughter that much. Animal does NOT die, in fact when I saw them doing it, animal kept standing on its legs & was then taken to a rotating cage where 4 animals were trapped & then their throats were slit with a rotating disc-blade. & Blood was allowed to flow. Spine was NOT severed, only the neck blood-vessels were. Even if spine is severed, it shouldn't matter.
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Watch this video & read Ahadees below. Even thou everyone in West might NOT be Ahl-e-Kitaab BUT method of slaughter is that of Ahl-e-Kitaab. So meat prepared in west would be considered food of Ahl-e-Kitaab.
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Q&A: Are McDonald's and Burger King Halal? - Jamal Badawi - YouTube
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Abu Dawood:Book 9, Number 2823:

Narrated 'A'ishah: (the narrator Musa did not mention the words "from 'A'ishah in his worsion from Hammad, and al-Qa'nabi also did not mention the words "from 'A'ishah" in his version from Malik): They (the people) said: Apostle of Allah, there are people here, recent converts from polytheism, who bring us meat and we do not know whether or not they mentioned Allah's name over it. The Messenger of Allah said: Mention Allah's name and eat.
Abu Dawood:9:2811:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:The verse: "So eat of (meats) on which Allah's name hath been pronounced (Qur'an vi. 118)" and the verse: "Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced (Qur'an v. 6)," were abrogated, meaning an exception was made therein by the verse: "The food of the people of the Book is lawful unto you and yours lawful unto them. (Qur'an vi. 121)"
Dawud :: Book 15 : Hadith 2820
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:
Ibn Isa added: (Ibn Abbas) and AbuHurayrah said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) forbade the devil's sacrifice. AbuIsa added in his version: This refers to the slaughtered animal whose skin is cut off, and is then left to die without its jugular veins being severed.

Sunan Abu Dawood 9:2812-15, 2820, 2849-51
Quran:5:3-4, 6:118,121,145.
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You post appears to be, quite literally, full of narrations and explanations that offer opinions based on random interpretations....hide behind such 'fatwa's'. One may just as well not even say the name of Allah and eat it anyway,.

May be your Westerner friends are right.!
Your post is, quite literally, devoid of any counter-narrations.! And it's NOT a "Fatwa" it's Prophet himself talking.
Jamal Badawi gave the context in which a certain verse was revealed, did you listen? Did you bother to go read the ahadees that give the context to that verse? That's called looking at the context. Just like context of "Don't go near prayer" is "when you are intoxicated"

Let me make it easy for you, here's the "context":

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Jews came to the Prophet and said: We eat which we kill but we do not eat which Allah kills? So Allah revealed the verse: "Eat not of (meats) on which Allah's name hath not been pronounced." to the end of the verse.

Sunan Abi Dawud 2818, In-book ref:Book 16, Hadith 31, English translation :Book 15, Hadith 2812
Sunan Abi Dawud 2819, In-book ref:Book 16, Hadith 32, English translation:Book 15, Hadith 2813


Verse was revealed because slaughter was already being done in the name of God, while naturally killed animal was not. So to exclude eating of naturally died animal, the other of the two options was advised; that's what the verse was for.


"Might as well not say name of God"; that's your extrapolation based on nothing,, contrary to my post which is based on something. I follow Prophet's sunnah (not a fatwa). And Prophet allowed taking name of God AFTER meat was cut already.

But like jamal Badawi said, we should respect both opinions. If you are not comfortable, stay away from such meat. But don't tell your Westerner friends that they are wrong because they have evidence from Prophet's sunnah (not fatwas) to support their actions.
 
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The horsemeat has nothing to do with Halal.. it has to do with the Tesco Horsemeat scandal in the UK.
 
WTH?? This is just to identify mixing of the meat. For it to be halal, animal needs to be killed in one of the most brutal way possible (by slitting throat and let it bleed to death). How are they going to identify that?
 
Eat of that over which the name of Allah (swt) has been pronounced (while slaughtering that animal/bird), if you are believers in His revelations (6:118)

And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allah's Name has been pronounced (at the time of slaughter), while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under extreme necessity? (6:119)

Eat not (O believers) of that meat on which Allah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of slaughtering) for sure it is disobedience of Allah (a sinful conduct). And certainly, the Shayaatin (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you, and if you obey them [making al-Maytatah legal to eat (Maytatah - a dead animal or animal / bird slaughtered without taking the name of Allah during slaughter)], then you would indeed be a polytheists (i.e. doing shirk, ascribing partners to Allah) (6:121)

And such animals upon which they mention not the Name of Allah only to fabricate a lie against him (6:138)

So eat of the lawful (Halal) and good food (Pure) which Allah has provided for you. And be grateful for the Graces of Allah, if it is He whom you worship (16:114)

For every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies so that they may mention the Name of Allah (swt) upon the animals that He has given them for food (22:34)

So mention the Name of Allah (swt) upon them (cows, oxen, camels etc) as they line up (for sacrifice) (22:36)
 
WTH?? This is just to identify mixing of the meat. For it to be halal, animal needs to be killed in one of the most brutal way possible (by slitting throat and let it bleed to death). How are they going to identify that?

I know that your a troll. So leave this thread with respect!

You don't know anything about our religion. NADA. And if you don't have anything good to add or say than please don't waste time of people like me that try to stop trolls like you. :sniper:


And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allah's Name has been pronounced (at the time of slaughter), while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under extreme necessity? (6:119)

The above quote itself explains everything. If really do hope that your not a troll like the person above your post but since you haven't even read or understood what you just copied and pasted into your post. I have no choice but to conclude that you are a troll.

As, explained in the quote. Its permissible to animals that are halal but they should be slaughtered in the proper way (i.e. say the magic words). But, you cannot eat what is forbidden, like pork and other animals. Horse is permitted but it would be better if you eat something better. Since its only in the direst moments that you should eat a horse or if your culture or society is attached to horse-only meat. @RAMPAGE @KingMamba :coffee:
 
The horsemeat has nothing to do with Halal.. it has to do with the Tesco Horsemeat scandal in the UK.
Please read....The horse meat was an extra thing that can be detected by the method...Halal was for the pig...

The method, which was recently published in the Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry, uses liquid chromatography and tandem mass spectrometry to detect a number of biomarker peptides that are specific to pig and/or horse.

Eat of that over which the name of Allah (swt) has been pronounced (while slaughtering that animal/bird), if you are believers in His revelations (6:118)

And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allah's Name has been pronounced (at the time of slaughter), while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under extreme necessity? (6:119)

Eat not (O believers) of that meat on which Allah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of slaughtering) for sure it is disobedience of Allah (a sinful conduct). And certainly, the Shayaatin (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind) to dispute with you, and if you obey them [making al-Maytatah legal to eat (Maytatah - a dead animal or animal / bird slaughtered without taking the name of Allah during slaughter)], then you would indeed be a polytheists (i.e. doing shirk, ascribing partners to Allah) (6:121)

And such animals upon which they mention not the Name of Allah only to fabricate a lie against him (6:138)

So eat of the lawful (Halal) and good food (Pure) which Allah has provided for you. And be grateful for the Graces of Allah, if it is He whom you worship (16:114)

For every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies so that they may mention the Name of Allah (swt) upon the animals that He has given them for food (22:34)

So mention the Name of Allah (swt) upon them (cows, oxen, camels etc) as they line up (for sacrifice) (22:36)
You missed 1:

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.[Quran 5:3]

However, I think many missed the point...the thread is about the Chemical method used...As for those bringing in Halal as a subject....that is secondary...the swine detection will also benefit Jews...so I am not sure how many of you missed that?

As for this method I am not sure how much quicker this is than the molecular kit and how much more accurate as compared to the kit..
 
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And why should you not eat of that (meat) on which Allah's Name has been pronounced (at the time of slaughter), while He has explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you, except under extreme necessity? (6:119)

the above mention ayat is enough for believer and for non believer they are just transgressing the limit of allah
jews and christian used to slaughter their animal like us but by the passage of time christian transgress the limit of allah and change their slaughter way.

if you see how they slaughter beef with shock gun and sheep with electric shock and then bleeding the animal next to juguler vein just to make it impure and show their disbelief when its proven that cutting juguler vein of the animal the feeling of pain reaching the animal brain is disconnected and is the best way for animal to die.
When a animal is slaughter by cutting juguler vein its heart start pumping blood out very fast and what is left behind is pure Allah almighty wants us to eat pure and be healthy .

and why should a believer eat from a animal on which allah's name is not mention i will prefer to become vegeterian then eating meat which is haram.

And its the practice of Rasool saw and shahabah and majority of muslim around the world to recite allah's name and place animal facing kabah .these practice is not only for bakri eid but practice daily in islamic slaughter house around the globe.



You missed 1:

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin - then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.[Quran 5:3]
 
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