Guy holding AK in Blue Area Islamabad

[Leader]

Aurat ki izat bi koi cheez hoti hey......Punjab police is notorious for this , a man commits a crime, in retaliation policemen breaks into the house of the culprit, beats or even rape his female family members.

dont generalize, lets talk about this particular suspect, where you called a policeman, bayghairt for fulfilling his duties.. which is wrong to say.

 

[L@eeq]

Rubber bullets don't go that far that accurately AFAIK.

The tazers were brought from Army, but they didn't have this long of a range.

but look at prev vids the when ssp was negotiating a police man was within 10 meter range behind the tree. so it was not a long range. and there were trees and footpaths so a good elite member would have easily gone near him.

 

[Jango]

this drama is bullshiitt yar, remember during benazir era, a school bus was kidnapped and brought to Islamabad, Nasir ullah Babar was the interior minister, what did they do in the hostage situation when negotiations failed?

here the point was that they thought he is on drugs and high and would give up, but that wasnt the case, otherwise kon say bachay? aik second nahi lagna tha, sab khatam, ham konsi koe welfare state hain or yeh konsa koe saalo bad hota hai !

Yar ab har government decision ko criticize karna hai to phir aap ko har cheez hi kharab lagay gi.

bachon kay samnay us kar baap ko maro gay?

Negotiations were the right thing to do, the SSP made it clear that the attacker was going to be taken away and then physically overpowered in the process without any fighting.

Then you also have media. You couldn't have any guarantee that the bullet would have hit the leg and even if it did hit the leg, you didn't have any assurance that the guy won't pull a trigger. Aik automatic rifle ka trigger 5 second kay liay dabao aur 10 banday mar jatay hain. Aur drama hota.

Hostage negotiations take time...every other Joe on our media has become a hostage situation expert and negotiator.

 

[Jango]

but look at prev vids the when ssp was negotiating a police man was within 10 meter range behind the tree. so it was not a long range. and there were tree and footpatchs so a good elite member would have easily gone near him.

The decision was taken not to use a bullet. And it was the right decision IMO.

He was posing no threat at the moment, he doing nothing, just a mentally challenged person on drugs.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

dont generalize, lets talk about this particular suspect, where you called a policeman, bayghairt for fulfilling his duties.. which is wrong to say.

His job was to simply arrest her, not assaulting her, we are eastern and muslim country not a western one. Also lady police was present on occasion, she was no threat and had no way of escaping so all that action by beghairat policeman was not needed at all.

 

[Jango]

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O bhai already posted, I have deleted your post before and am going to delete this one as well.

No need to spread useless propaganda.

Even a monkey can see that this is a fake and women are different.

 

[Leader]

Yar ab har government decision ko criticize karna hai to phir aap ko har cheez hi kharab lagay gi.

bachon kay samnay us kar baap ko maro gay?

Negotiations were the right thing to do, the SSP made it clear that the attacker was going to be taken away and then physically overpowered in the process without any fighting.

Then you also have media. You couldn't have any guarantee that the bullet would have hit the leg and even if it did hit the leg, you didn't have any assurance that the guy won't pull a trigger. Aik automatic rifle ka trigger 5 second kay liay dabao aur 10 banday mar jatay hain. Aur drama hota.

Hostage negotiations take time...every other Joe on our media has become a hostage situation expert and negotiator.

negotiate for 30 minute, 45 minute, by then judge the actual threat and then move on to do what has to be done, this unnecessary drama that took more than 5-6 hours was totally uncalled.

must learn from this, how to tackle such situations.

 

[L@eeq]

His job was to simply arrest her, not assaulting her, we are eastern and muslim country not a western one. Also lady police was present on occasion, she was no threat and had no way of escaping so all that action by beghairat policeman was not needed at all.

our intahai gatia police do these kind of actions when the suspect is down.
they will assault you even on double sawari. b.c. izzat ka faluda kar dety hain. agar double sawari ruky ge pehla kam thapar marny ka karen gay. phir koi bat ho ge.
and look at the videos a police man hit a bulit ridden person. when skinder was down a police man came and slaped him. how retarded it this behaviour. police duty is to bring the person to justice. not do your own justice on chowk. or on roads.

 

[Last Hope]

The interior minister made it clear that once it was ascertained that this guy had no previous criminal record or wasn't a hardcore Taliban militant, they were not going to shoot, since shooting had a lot of risks involved due to the spectators and media around. but that Zamurd Khan ruined the whole plan.

I think it was a perfect strategy by the police, let the SSP gain trust of the attacker, try to calm him, then try to move him some place else and physically overpower him in the process without a shot being fired. Safe and sound strategy.

I was thinking today, and I thought very hard over this thing, that what would have been the impact on the children. Seeing their father being shot like that?

If you see the video, you can see one kid (the boy I think) holding an umbrella and when firing started, he was jumping frantically. I thought long over it and shuddered over the thought, your father being shot almost dead in front of you. I almost cried. These scars would remain in one form or another with the kids for the rest of their lives. Poor kids.

Zamrud was brave but I would NEVER consider him as a hero. There were lack of proper calculations and it was his luck that he survived. Yes the kid was in a state of confusion and the guy was holding arm out to him, probably calling him close to avoid police fire, and you could see the kid being caught and avoided meeting his dad.

Bottom line, stupid media, stupid chaos, stupid heroes and stupid drama.

 

[L@eeq]

O bhai already posted, I have deleted your post before and am going to delete this one as well.

No need to spread useless propaganda.

Even a monkey can see that this is a fake and women are different.

havent you seen a live show girl beating a boy by express news 2 or 3 days ago?? and after it was known it was planted you cant deny the fact these politicians can do any thing for their reputation.
ok leave the pics what about sikkandar was also a guard of ppp???

 

[Leader]

His job was to simply arrest her, not assaulting her, we are eastern and muslim country not a western one. Also lady police was present on occasion, she was no threat and had no way of escaping so all that action by beghairat policeman was not needed at all.

she carried the gun during her husband's negotiation period and she was an accomplice in the crime too, and you are saying she was not a threat? what if she was hiding a gun under her burka or had a suicide belt wrapped around her?

neutralizing her was necessary, I would again insist that she should have been stripped searched straightaway.

this is the protocol, no hesitation to neutralize a threat.

good job done by policeman, honourable indeed !

p.s. I dont want to bring this example, once Hazart Ali and another Sahabi was asked by Prophet Muhammad to find a woman, who was carrying a letter for th Quresh, Hazrat Ali threatened the woman for strip naked search, if she didnt give the letter.. so better not be a mullah here, and save th ghairat drama please !

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

our intahai gatia police do these kind of actions when the suspect is down.
they will assault you even on double sawari. b.c. izzat ka faluda kar dety hain. agar double sawari ruky ge pehla kam thapar marny ka karen gay. phir koi bat ho ge.
and look at the videos a police man hit a bulit ridden person. when skinder was down a police man came and slaped him. how retarded it this behaviour. police duty is to bring the person to justice. not do your own justice on chowk. or on roads.

And look at the police commandos firing in the air in jubilance after sikandar is shot......this is police of federal capital

 

[Armstrong]

And look at the police commandos firing in the air in jubilance after sikandar is shot......this is police of federal capital

Khan I just placed a water gun to your temple aur teriii cheeekheein nikal gaiiin thiiiinnn.....baaat kartaa haiii !

 

[Jango]

Zamrud was brave but I would NEVER consider him as a hero. There were lack of proper calculations and it was his luck that he survived. Yes the kid was in a state of confusion and the guy was holding arm out to him, probably calling him close to avoid police fire, and you could see the kid being caught and avoided meeting his dad.

Bottom line, stupid media, stupid chaos, stupid heroes and stupid drama.

Nah...look again. The kid was at a good distanve. The guy wasn't going to his kid. The side angle makes it clear.

Sikander first fired, then backtracked, gun got jammed, he held up his guns, a shot was fired which hit the left gun, he then ran to his left at that moment, bullet hits his legs, he falls very badly face first. And I suspect at that moment he got hit on the chest.

I agree though that this guy is no hero. The shots went by a foot! If he got killed, then PPP would be making a ruckus and a siasi shaheed. This was just stupidity. Everything was in control, police were about to move him, but then this guy does his thing. Idiotic. Agr gun jam na hoti then who knows, it could have been a massacre.

And Zamurd Khan totally failed, he didn't grab the attacker, he completely slipped and then ran. Police bailed him out.

 

[Jango]

negotiate for 30 minute, 45 minute, by then judge the actual threat and then move on to do what has to be done, this unnecessary drama that took more than 5-6 hours was totally uncalled.

must learn from this, how to tackle such situations.

Hostage negotiations go on for much longer than this.
HowStuffWorks "How Hostage Negotiation Works"

Read this, the negotiation phase can last for hours.

The golden rule of negotiations is to take as much time as needed, and second is to gain trust of the hostage taker.

SSP had gained trust, and they were also waiting. Jaldi kia hai? Paisay lag rahay hain? Our media played it out exactly like Lal Masjid.