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Looks like the deal is still on and only delayed due to election in September. I am sure Germany will be happy to earn $2B.

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German submarines for Pakistan?

Published: June 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM
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BERLIN, June 18 (UPI) -- Germany has generally agreed to export three submarines to Pakistan, but the sale is being delayed because of the country's political instability.

For Germany, it's an economically promising but politically risky deal: the sale of three U-214 submarines built by German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems to Pakistan for an estimated $2 billion.

In 2006 the German government gave its general approval after Pakistan and the company requested the sale. Berlin even granted federal export credit guarantees worth nearly $1.4 billion.

That was before Pakistan became infested with al-Qaida and Taliban insurgents who went on to destabilize the government and launch attacks into neighboring Afghanistan. Pakistan's political instability has caused Germany to delay the deal.

Contract negotiations have been dragging on for years. A delivery of the three subs to Pakistan would require the approval from Germany's national security council, and it has repeatedly postponed a decision on the deal. But that doesn't mean the sale is off the table: The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reports negotiations are still ongoing.

Pakistan's defense minister recently visited Berlin and a top Pakistani general will arrive in the German capital next week -- it's likely that the Siemens-engine-powered U-214 subs, which are able to run underwater at reduced speeds for up to three weeks, were and will be on the discussion agenda.

Observers say a final decision on the deal won't be made until shortly after the German federal elections in late September. The period in between two governments is often used to push through politically controversial deals.


Several German lawmakers oppose the sale, mainly because of Pakistan's instability and the region's overall volatility.

Berlin says it doesn't sell arms into politically unstable countries, but numbers prove otherwise.

German companies in 2007 sold weapons for $221 million to Pakistan, according to a government report.

Globally, Germany proves a successful export of high-tech weapons and weapons parts. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Germany exported conventional weapons -- such as submarines, tanks or helicopters -- worth some $12 billion between 2004 and 2008. (Small arms and weapons parts amount to roughly the same amount.)

Compared with 1999-2003, German arms exports increased by 70 percent, SIPRI says. The country is now No. 3 in the global market, trumped only by Russia and the United States, which leads the world in arms exports.

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German submarines for Pakistan?

Published: June 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM
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BERLIN, June 18 (UPI) -- Germany has generally agreed to export three submarines to Pakistan, but the sale is being delayed because of the country's political instability.

For Germany, it's an economically promising but politically risky deal: the sale of three U-214 submarines built by German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems to Pakistan for an estimated $2 billion.

In 2006 the German government gave its general approval after Pakistan and the company requested the sale. Berlin even granted federal export credit guarantees worth nearly $1.4 billion.

That was before Pakistan became infested with al-Qaida and Taliban insurgents who went on to destabilize the government and launch attacks into neighboring Afghanistan. Pakistan's political instability has caused Germany to delay the deal.

Contract negotiations have been dragging on for years. A delivery of the three subs to Pakistan would require the approval from Germany's national security council, and it has repeatedly postponed a decision on the deal. But that doesn't mean the sale is off the table: The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reports negotiations are still ongoing.

Pakistan's defense minister recently visited Berlin and a top Pakistani general will arrive in the German capital next week -- it's likely that the Siemens-engine-powered U-214 subs, which are able to run underwater at reduced speeds for up to three weeks, were and will be on the discussion agenda
.

Observers say a final decision on the deal won't be made until shortly after the German federal elections in late September. The period in between two governments is often used to push through politically controversial deals.

Several German lawmakers oppose the sale, mainly because of Pakistan's instability and the region's overall volatility.

Berlin says it doesn't sell arms into politically unstable countries, but numbers prove otherwise.

German companies in 2007 sold weapons for $221 million to Pakistan, according to a government report.

Globally, Germany proves a successful export of high-tech weapons and weapons parts. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Germany exported conventional weapons -- such as submarines, tanks or helicopters -- worth some $12 billion between 2004 and 2008. (Small arms and weapons parts amount to roughly the same amount.)

Compared with 1999-2003, German arms exports increased by 70 percent, SIPRI says. The country is now No. 3 in the global market, trumped only by Russia and the United States, which leads the world in arms exports.
 
And i heard also this, that, our Chief of Army Staff these days in Germany , am i right ?:pakistan:
 
As far as I have heard the submarine deal did come up for discussion. Though it is surprising that COAS discussed it.
 
By Patrick Donahue and Brian Parkin

June 18 (Bloomberg) -- Chancellor Angela Merkel’s coalition will probably go ahead with the sale of three submarines to Pakistan, ignoring opposition concerns about the delivery of military hardware to the nuclear-armed state, two German government officials said.

The Federal Security Council, a body made up of ministers that vets all military hardware sales, is prepared to back the sale of the Class 214 submarines made by ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems AG, the officials said on condition of anonymity because the decision is not yet final.

A Pakistani delegation including army chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani is in Berlin today for meetings with German officials. Opposition lawmakers are wary of sales to Pakistan as it struggles with Islamist radicals along the border with neighboring Afghanistan.

“We have to ask ourselves whether such an unstable country really needs such submarine technology,” said Alexander Bonde, a Green Party lawmaker leading opposition to the sale in the lower house of parliament in Berlin. Bonde said a final decision will probably be made after German national elections Sept. 27.

Taliban Offensive

Pakistan has struggled in a seven-week campaign to push back radicals after Taliban fighters advanced to within 100 kilometers (60 miles) of the capital, Islamabad. The army is preparing to mount an offensive in South Waziristan to drive out militants from its northwest tribal areas.

A Pakistani delegation visited Berlin several weeks ago to express interest in the submarines, said Muhammad Azam, a spokesman for the Pakistani embassy in Berlin. No official orders have yet been tendered, he said.

A preliminary inquiry from Pakistan has been “positively assessed” by the German government, though no official request yet been processed, Economy Ministry spokesman Steffen Moritz said in a phone interview.

Andrea Wessel, a spokeswoman for ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, a unit of Dusseldorf-based ThyssenKrupp AG, said the company wouldn’t comment on “ongoing projects.”

“Pakistan’s interest in these submarines shows it still sees India as the traditional enemy, even though bilateral tensions have eased somewhat since 2004,” Christian Wagner, an analyst at the Berlin-based German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said in an interview. “The money would be better spent on equipping and training its land forces to combat terrorist insurgents.”

The 65-meter (213-foot) submarines, non-nuclear vessels equipped with eight torpedo tubes, rely on a fuel-cell system to remain silent beneath the water for longer periods than previous models. ThyssenKrupp describes the vessels as having “extraordinarily developed stealth characteristics and an impressive weapon and sensor payload.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Patrick Donahue in Berlin at at pdonahue1@bloomberg.net; Brian Parkin in Berlin at bparkin@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: June 18, 2009 13:26 EDT
Germany Is Poised to Sell Submarines to Pakistan (Update1) - Bloomberg.com
 
Well that is some good information but its not till sep 27th which is far!!! second can some one shed some light on this submarine
 
Well that is some good information but its not till sep 27th which is far!!! second can some one shed some light on this submarine

i'll be very surprised if it dosnt get final approval!
 
“Pakistan’s interest in these submarines shows it still sees India as the traditional enemy, even though bilateral tensions have eased somewhat since 2004,” Christian Wagner, an analyst at the Berlin-based German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said in an interview

Good news is Indians have started acquiring long distance weapons including nuclear subs and air craft carriers so it shows they do not consider Pakistan their enemy any more.:victory:

I wonder if U require any brains to get these jobs:rofl:.
 
“Pakistan’s interest in these submarines shows it still sees India as the traditional enemy, even though bilateral tensions have eased somewhat since 2004,” Christian Wagner, an analyst at the Berlin-based German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said in an interview. “The money would be better spent on equipping and training its land forces to combat terrorist insurgents.”

Everytime some one comes up with a statement like this, i wonder why do they forget that the same holds true for the opposite side as well. So why singleout Pakistan alone?
 
Iam still vary about this deal lets see wat happens inshallah we will get them as we need them!
 
There are soon elections of the CDU, SPD and I am sure they'll bring arguments for and against Pakistan to win those election though the domestic politics counts much much more then. Nothing is sure but Germans are well-known for being kind and hard-working so they will certainly sell those submarines to Pakistan as they got a pro-Pakistan stance.
 
Well don't worry guys, French are waiting in line with their Scorpene. They already offered Pak without any strings attached. And Germans knows very well and big rivals of each other. German won't let French take over this deal. French always try to let down German in every field. Matter of national pride amongst two nation.
 

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