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Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army


this alonng with this should sela the fate of LYING INDIAN MEDIA!!

U.N. MONITORS URGE PAKISTAN AND INDIA TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS THROUGH DIALOGUE
Asked about recent reported incidents in Kashmir, the Spokesperson said that, regarding the 6 January alleged incident, the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan, or UNMOGIP, has received an official complaint from the Pakistan Army and will conduct an investigation as soon as possible in accordance with its mandate.
On the 8 January alleged incident, no official complaint has been received either from the Pakistan Army or Indian Army.
Nesirky said that UNMOGIP is aware that the Pakistan Army and Indian Army are in contact via the Hotline and urges both sides to respect the cease-fire and de-escalate tensions through dialogue.


Highlights of the Noon Briefing Wednesday 09 January 2013
 
Guys, no conclusion can be reached.

OBL was never in Pakistan.
TTP is funded by India.
Evil Zionists want to break Pakistan
No Pakistani was involved in 26/11, then proofs, then they are non-state actors. Case closed.

As long as you deal with denial of this magnitude, do you think they will believe what IA says.

Bhains ke aage been naa bajao. Bus agli baar cricket ke liye mat bulao. :D

Case closed. Just mourn for these soldiers and get back to daily life.


Off Course We Will :angel::angel::angel:


The body of one of the soldiers was found mutilated in a forested area on the side controlled by India, said Mr Rajesh K Kalia, spokesman for the Indian Army's Northern Command. However, he denied reports that one body had been decapitated and another had its throat slit.


TODAYonline | World | India seeks to reduce tensions despite firefight
 
I am afraid it would be an uninterrupted cycle, it was discussed on first few pages of this very thread...

therein lies the problem. these senseless killings of each others soldiers just feed the extremely vocal warmongers who sit comfortably in their homes and give interviews on televisions.

these incidents remind of the Russian poem "Only a soldier"

It is a pity that soldiers die such deaths and then we have people who blow things out of proportion. I mean the alleged last words of the dead soldier. With all due respect to the soldier, i think that is make-belief.

If only people stop vouching for revenge attacks. Shelling few warning shots is perfectly ok. Even firing at objects or post walls is ok. We are not in a state of war and we should not push ourselves into a war.
 
nahi ji ....u r not in position :)

i even dont say that india is saint here ..


and how can you say they are not in a position. They come and killed two of our soldiers. I say they are in a position to retaliate again and again and IA in a position to retaliate again and again. There is no winner in this cycle. Best is to avoid it. Ofcourse commanders who want medals would keep pushing soldiers to their deaths
 
nahi ji ....u r not in position :)

i even dont say that india is saint here ..

Lol....... Phantasy!

You don't want third party investigations, you don't want bilateral settlement then you say it's only we who can kill not you.

Where do you live mate?
 
PAKISTAN NEEDS ANSWERS FOR THIS:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...2-tortured-prisoner-s-body-arrives-india.html

The Terrorist Indian Army is comprised of criminals, rapists and murderers!


as well as MAQBOOL HUSSAIN!!this alonng with this should sela the fate of LYING INDIAN MEDIA!!

U.N. MONITORS URGE PAKISTAN AND INDIA TO DE-ESCALATE TENSIONS THROUGH DIALOGUE
Asked about recent reported incidents in Kashmir, the Spokesperson said that, regarding the 6 January alleged incident, the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan, or UNMOGIP, has received an official complaint from the Pakistan Army and will conduct an investigation as soon as possible in accordance with its mandate.
On the 8 January alleged incident, no official complaint has been received either from the Pakistan Army or Indian Army.
Nesirky said that UNMOGIP is aware that the Pakistan Army and Indian Army are in contact via the Hotline and urges both sides to respect the cease-fire and de-escalate tensions through dialogue.


Highlights of the Noon Briefing Wednesday 09 January 2013

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...c-skirmish-indian-army-180.html#ixzz2HZXyryLi
 
Don't know why are u comparing Apples with Oranges.

Dam construction & river distribution in state of J&K is TOTALLY a different issue since for that we have Indus water Treaty for the sharing of the water of Indus & it's tributaries under the mediator-ship of World Bank, it has NOTHING to do with the Kashmir Dispute as such ( for eg. Even in it's early days of formation, Israel had water agreements with it's Arab neighbors when they din't even acknowledged that a state of Israel exists) , it is completely technical issue not at all political issue, this was done for the simple fact that the water is the most important requirement of Human Lives, for that our two countries had sidelined the dispute as such & just wanted to address the need for better water sharing b/w the two. The Treaty has certain Guidelines under which Pakistan can build dams & India can also build dams, if both follows the proper guidelines set by the Treaty than there will be no objection raised by the other in this case. These are it's brief Provisions if u want to have a look:

http://wrmin.nic.in/writereaddata/linkimages/Brief4661612656.pdf

Now u do know that UN is a political organisation while the WB is not, going to UN itself means Politicizing an issue.

As far as Kargil is concerned, it is not me but ur own former President - Gen. Musharaff has acknowledged that it was a military operation to achieve political gains vis-a-vis Kashmir but what he did not imagined was the massive Indian response & International outrage against Pakistan, even one of the best allies of Pakistan - US abandoned it in Kargil.

Exactly dam construction was a technical issue & a humanitarian one that was carried out on disputed territory ! Much like the issue we face today, a humanitarian one with the Geneva Convention being thrown to our face a million & one times on this thread & threads like these since yesterday !

The International Court of Justice, likewise, is an organ of the United Nations & not a political organization ! Were it so one would be compelled to point out that whatever the UNHCR, UNICEF, WHO or the UNESCO do are purely political endeavors. The Security Council & the General Assembly could indeed be dubbed political organizations but that term cannot be used as a blanket to explain away the entire organizational structure of the United Nations for it is, as I understand it to be, an 'international organization' created to facilitate 'international cooperation' between 'sovereign states'.

One could even argue that the International Court of Arbitration may also be called a 'political organization' for it too is a sub-function of the International Chamber of Commerce where nations, similar in case of the United Nations General Assembly & its other functions, are represented & go to for arbitration.

If one were not take that line of reasoning than one feels compelled to accord the same status to the International Court of Justice for whereas one handles affairs of a purely commercial nature the other handles ones of the nature of a legal dispute.

What I fail to understand is how does a suggestion to involve a 3rd party, be it the United Nations, the Scotland Yard or some other committee, metamorphs to an advocacy of presenting the Kashmir Issue before the United Nation's General Assembly or Security Council ? This dispute is, as you rightly pointed out in respect of the Dam Construction issue, is purely of a 'humanitarian' nature where a mutilation has said to have occurred on disputed territory by Pakistani Soldiers belonging to either the 25th Baluch or the SSG ! The purview of any such commission or investigative body is not to give an opinion on the repercussions of the Kashmir Dispute or status of the territories known as Azad Jammu & Kashmir & the State of Jammu & Kashmir, it is there to substantiate Indian assertions against Pakistan in respect of a mutilation.

On to Kargil - You've just said exactly what I was advocating that even if this manages to draw an International Response, Pakistan would be painted with the same 'outrage' for that brutality with even more sympathy for India & her stance on Kashmir pouring in ! I don't think that this will Internationalize that in the least bit anymore than news excerpts, articles or talk-shows couldn't or didn't do already but even if it does & it is proved that Pakistanis did this - That works for you not for us !

So I really don't understand the line of reasoning taken by India !
@Hyperion : Aren't you gonna say something ? :what:
 
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Dude, ask a sane person to comment.

Unless we as a nation get our act together and learn how to act, react and plan cohesively as one unit, we shall have no place in the community of nations. Nothing is fair in this world, and there is NO such thing as fair play. Regarding all treaties and the UN, UN stands for 'UnNecessary'.

Jiss kee lathi uss kee bhens!

Exactly dam construction was a technical issue & a humanitarian one that was carried out on disputed territory ! Much like the issue we face today, a humanitarian one with the Geneva Convention being thrown to our face a million & one times on this thread & threads like these since yesterday !

The International Court of Justice, likewise, is an organ of the United Nations & not a political organization ! Were it so one would be compelled to point out that whatever the UNHCR, UNICEF, WHO or the UNESCO do are purely political endeavors. The Security Council & the General Assembly could indeed be dubbed political organizations but that term cannot be used as a blanket to explain away the entire organizational structure of the United Nations for it is, as I understand it to be, an 'international organization' created to facilitate 'international cooperation' between 'sovereign states'.

One could even argue that the International Court of Arbitration may also be called a 'political organization' for it too is a sub-function of the International Chamber of Commerce where nations, similar in case of the United Nations General Assembly & its other functions, are represented & go to for arbitration.

If one were not take that line of reasoning than one feels compelled to accord the same status to the International Court of Justice for whereas one handles affairs of a purely commercial nature the other handles ones of the nature of a legal dispute.

What I fail to understand is how does a suggestion to involve a 3rd party, be it the United Nations, the Scotland Yard or some other committee, metamorphs to an advocacy of presenting the Kashmir Issue before the United Nation's General Assembly or Security Council ? This dispute is, as you rightly pointed out in respect of the Dam Construction issue, is purely of a 'humanitarian' nature where a mutilation has said to have occurred on disputed territory by Pakistani Soldiers belonging to either the 25th Baluch or the SSG ! The purview of any such commission or investigative body is not to give an opinion on the repercussions of the Kashmir Dispute or status of the territories known as Azad Jammu & Kashmir & the State of Jammu & Kashmir, it is there to substantiate Indian assertions against Pakistan in respect of a mutilation.

On to Kargil - You've just said exactly what I was advocating that even if this manages to draw an International Response, Pakistan would be painted with the same 'outrage' for that brutality with even more sympathy for India & her stance on Kashmir pouring in ! I don't think that this will Internationalize that in the least bit anymore than news excerpts, articles or talk-shows couldn't or didn't do already but even if it does & it is proved that Pakistanis did this - That works for you not for us !

So I really don't understand the line of reasoning taken by India !
@Hyperion : Aren't you gonna say something ? :what:
 
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Dude, ask a sane person to comment.

Unless we as a nation get our act together and learn how to act, react and plan cohesively as one unit, we shall have no place in the community of nations. Nothing is fair in this world, and there is NO such thing as fair play. Regarding all treaties and the UN, UN stands for 'UnNecessary'.

Jiss kee lathi uss kee bhens!

Don't I know ! :hitwall:

We made that mistake in '48 ! Do you know I meant one of the guys (a really old guy) who was there in '48; he couldn't stop cursing the Army & the Government for accepting the ceasefire.

By the way he was from Mohmand not Waziristan - Yeh kaiseiii ? :blink:
 
Exactly dam construction was a technical issue & a humanitarian one that was carried out on disputed territory ! Much like the issue we face today, a humanitarian one with the Geneva Convention being thrown to our face a million & one times on this thread & threads like these since yesterday !

The International Court of Justice, likewise, is an organ of the United Nations & not a political organization ! Were it so one would be compelled to point out that whatever the UNHCR, UNICEF, WHO or the UNESCO do are purely political endeavors. The Security Council & the General Assembly could indeed be dubbed political organizations but that term cannot be used as a blanket to explain away the entire organizational structure of the United Nations for it is, as I understand it to be, an 'international organization' created to facilitate 'international cooperation' between 'sovereign states'.

One could even argue that the International Court of Arbitration may also be called a 'political organization' for it too is a sub-function of the International Chamber of Commerce where nations, similar in case of the United Nations General Assembly & its other functions, are represented & go to for arbitration.

If one were not take that line of reasoning than one feels compelled to accord the same status to the International Court of Justice for whereas one handles affairs of a purely commercial nature the other handles ones of the nature of a legal dispute.

What I fail to understand is how does a suggestion to involve a 3rd party, be it the United Nations, the Scotland Yard or some other committee, metamorphs to an advocacy of presenting the Kashmir Issue before the United Nation's General Assembly or Security Council ? This dispute is, as you rightly pointed out in respect of the Dam Construction issue, is purely of a 'humanitarian' nature where a mutilation has said to have occurred on disputed territory by Pakistani Soldiers belonging to either the 25th Baluch or the SSG ! The purview of any such commission or investigative body is not to give an opinion on the repercussions of the Kashmir Dispute or status of the territories known as Azad Jammu & Kashmir & the State of Jammu & Kashmir, it is there to substantiate Indian assertions against Pakistan in respect of a mutilation.

On to Kargil - You've just said exactly what I was advocating that even if this manages to draw an International Response, Pakistan would be painted with the same 'outrage' for that brutality with even more sympathy for India & her stance on Kashmir pouring in ! I don't think that this will Internationalize that in the least bit anymore than news excerpts, articles or talk-shows couldn't or didn't do already but even if it does & it is proved that Pakistanis did this - That works for you not for us !

So I really don't understand the line of reasoning taken by India !
@Hyperion : Aren't you gonna say something ? :what:

i gotta say somthing dat u BB Hyperion are right and i consider u both winners here so no need to bang ur head against da wall :p:pakistan:

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