Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

mike2000 · Nov 12, 2014

cnleio said:
China next-gen fighter cockpit (FC-31) detail pics, more like a F-35 cockpit
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Compared with F-35 cockipit
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PLA visiting a F-35 cockpit
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WTH? The U.S let the chinese have a look at the F-35 fihgter cockpit?

Why is it even there in the first place?

Never thought they will particpate in the first place, much less bringing their best/latest fighter to this show. :woot:

Surprised to say the least :what:

Guess next time we should bring our super Typhoons as well then.

Oldman1 · Nov 12, 2014

mike2000 said:
WTH? The U.S let the chinese have a look at the F-35 fihgter cockpit? Why is it even there in the first place? Never thought they will particpate in the first place, much less bringing their best/latest fighter to this show. Surprised to say the least Guess next time we should bring our super Typhoons as well then.

No its just a mockup. And the big difference is that it doesn't have the HUD while the Chinese has one.

Kompromat · Nov 12, 2014

Oldman1 said:
No its just a mockup. And the big difference is that it doesn't have the HUD while the Chinese has one.

F-22 has an HUD. Does it make the Raptor inferior than JSF?

cnleio · Nov 12, 2014

mike2000 said:
WTH? The U.S let the chinese have a look at the F-35 fihgter cockpit? Why is it even there in the first place? Never thought they will particpate in the first place, much less bringing their best/latest fighter to this show. Surprised to say the least Guess next time we should bring our super Typhoons as well then.

Old pics, PLA ever visted F-35A on Singapore Air Show.

Oldman1 · Nov 12, 2014

Horus said:
F-22 has an HUD. Does it make the Raptor inferior than JSF?

No, the big difference is that the JSF doesn't need it, and is different from the Chinese version.

cnleio · Nov 12, 2014

Oldman1 said:
No its just a mockup. And the big difference is that it doesn't have the HUD while the Chinese has one.

It's better than nothing, Double HUDs & Double Security !

Oldman1 · Nov 12, 2014

Horus said:
F-22 has an HUD. Does it make the Raptor inferior than JSF?

Go to time index 7:15 on how it works.

Kompromat · Nov 12, 2014

Oldman1 said:
No, the big difference is that the JSF doesn't need it, and is different from the Chinese version.

I understand. I would rate F-22s DAS/Sensor Fusion still superior to that of the JSF. I believe that FC-31s sensor fusion will be displayed on an HMS, however should some anomaly take place inflight, having HUD never hurts and pilot can still do his job.

Oldman1 · Nov 12, 2014

Horus said:
I understand. I would rate F-22s DAS/Sensor Fusion still superior to that of the JSF. I believe that FC-31s sensor fusion will be displayed on an HMS, however should some anomaly take place inflight, having HUD never hurts and pilot can still do his job.

This is no different than switching from periscopes to photonics mast with no periscope in the control room.

Kompromat · Nov 12, 2014

Oldman1 said:
This is no different than switching from periscopes to photonics mast with no periscope in the control room.

Vehemently disagree with you sir. Just wait till the Raptors get their HMS upgrade. USAF Pilots will tell you the exact same thing im telling you now.

Oldman1 · Nov 12, 2014

Horus said:
Vehemently disagree with you sir. Just wait till the Raptors get their HMS upgrade. USAF Pilots will tell you the exact same thing im telling you now.

Well we can agree to disagree. No different than submariners complaining about lack of periscopes in their boats.

terranMarine · Nov 12, 2014

mike2000 said:
I agree with you on this, I myself im surprised to see the Chinese have advanced so fast in such a short period of time. Their weapons systems are indeed maturing quite faster than i thought. Guess in a decade from now, they will be in top tier 1 military tech power, The only remaining puzzle they have to break to get there is the 'HEART' i.e yea Engines. If/when they master this completely then im afraid Moscow wont have any business deals in Beijing anymore, since its only engines in which they still have a huge lead over the Chinese. This coming decade will indeed be an inetresting one to watch.

huh...... asnd before i forget, i hope the the U.K is obviously in your 'top 5' mr Svensvensonov?.

Well if it isn't the British snob who was laughing at Chinese smokey engines and bragging about British influence while calling me a blinded patriot. Now you are totally shocked how advanced Chinese military is? Not to mention you had zero clue of FC-31 until recently while most of us here knew from the beginning the moment those photos and videos became public.

When i say what British influence? I don't downplay your small island because of jealousy, it's a fact dude. Recently your PM was so nervous of Scotland leaving, now the EU is demanding UK to pay the hefty bill and Merkel wants the UK out of the EU because of some dispute she has with that PM of yours regarding immigration law.

While you still brag about UK influence because of a few high tech areas while China is still catching you are now witnessing just how fast the PLA is modernizing. As stated by my buddies here what's at the show isn't the real capability on display it's only a tiny part of it. Even our Japanese member here and his military friends of the Japanese defence force are fanboys of Chinese toys.
Mark my word when China has mastered the engine tech, hypersonic missile (which has already been demonstrated once or twice), railgun, electromagnetic catapult and more you will be even more shocked and i can even look down at your small island even more. :china:

Kompromat · Nov 12, 2014

Oldman1 said:
Well we can agree to disagree. No different than submariners complaining about lack of periscopes in their boats.

Lets wait. I am waiting for HMS upgrade of Raptors to study its results.

PAF i beleive would like to replace our vipers with the FC-31s as F-35s are no longer in our price range.