Zardari to Patterson: ‘Indian involvement in Mumbai attacks’

[JanjaWeed]

Couple of questions, one we know a few papers have been faking "wiki Leak" cables to push their own agendas/sell a few more papers, how reliable is "The Hindu" as a news paper?

Second seriously do normal people in Pakistan believe India hired a bunch of gunmen to slaughter people just to make Pakistan look bad?

I hope the Hindu turns out to be a trash paper pushing an political agenda before the talks. I can understand a Zardari that is corrupt, I can understand a Zardari that is incompetent but one that believes India staged an elaborate murder of its own people to make Pakistan look bad needs a psychiatric examination for symptoms of paranoia and some one to say quietly Mr. President please step away from the big red button.

wow.. classic quote by saudi king comes to my mind. 'when the head is rotten, it effects the whole body'!! isn't he the same person who claims to know the killers of his wife??

 

[ares]

It is hardly surprising that Zardari holds such a view..considering that many Pakistanis still believe 26/11 is a false flag attack or even 9/11 is a false flag attack.
Working on the same logic, I wonder how many, if any Pakistanis believe that the attacks in their own country are flase flag too and are being perpetrated by their own establishment?

 

[harsh1488]

maybe mr zardari is also a big fan of zaid hamid and watched his show on mumbai attack

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

isn't he the same person who claims to know the killers of his wife??

No he doesn't know who the killers are other than what is already out there in terms of the consensus of most experts - the Taliban or some associated group carried out the assassination.

His 'mysterious' statements to any other effect are just political rhetoric to try and gain sympathy/pressure the establishment/stoke anti-establishment sentiment.

 

[JanjaWeed]

No he doesn't know who the killers are other than what is already out there in terms of the consensus of most experts - the Taliban or some associated group carried out the assassination.

His 'mysterious' statements to any other effect are just political rhetoric to try and gain sympathy/pressure the establishment/stoke anti-establishment sentiment.

so.. when he comes out with the statements like the one discussed here, are we to take this with pinch of salt? afterall his statements does lack credibility! now.. it's not just off the cuff remark i'm making here. But there is a general perception within pakistan & outside that this guy doesn't know what he is talking about?

where do you stand on this?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

so.. when he comes out with the statements like the one discussed here, are we to take this with pinch of salt? afterall his statements does lack credibility! now.. it's not just off the cuff remark i'm making here. But there is a general perception within pakistan & outside that this guy doesn't know what he is talking about?

where do you stand on this?

I am looking at this in a different context - not so much about whether it is true or not, but about what it signifies.

Zardari is obviously basing this view off of inputs by security agencies/advisers. I doubt he came to this conclusion himself.

IMO that would suggest that the Pakistani security establishment believes that India (hard liners in India) was somehow involved, which in turn would suggest that the Pakistani security agencies were not involved. It does not mean that their analysis about Indian involvement is necessarily correct.

 

[JanjaWeed]

I am looking at this in a different context - not so much about whether it is true or not, but about what it signifies.

Zardari is obviously basing this view off of inputs by security agencies/advisers. I doubt he came to this conclusion himself.

IMO that would suggest that the Pakistani security establishment believes that India (hard liners in India) was somehow involved, which in turn would suggest that the Pakistani security agencies were not involved. It does not mean that their analysis about Indian involvement is necessarily correct.

ok.. i appreciate your pov. afterall no agency would admit their guilt! it's normal tendancy to pass the guilt on to someone you despise the most. don't get me wrong.. it's not just unique to one country!!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Considering that neither Zardari nor the security agencies in Pakistan have yet been unable to put the finger on the murderers of his late wife says something (actually a lot). And was'nt that matter enquired into by a UN commission because Pakistan was unable to inquire into it?
Was it before or after this (this talk with Anne) that Zardari came on record that the perpetrators of 26/11 were Non State Actors of Pakistan?

Of course Anne Patterson was completely convinced by this "pitter-patter" so she passed it on to 'Foggy Bottom' as some kind of evidence!

 

[Wonderer]

But isnt he should be saying this to public rather than US diplomat.

In public he committed that it was dn by non state actors from Pakistan.

Is he on some drugs.

 

[DV RULES]

Nonsense why would India help embarrass itself in such a dismal security failure. Don't you think that if it was a planned job that they'd at least be prepared for it, in order to look vigilant and effective?

BTW this is not nonsense as you stated above. False Flag attack but US exchange its expertise with Indian intelligence. Aim of India to plot this was clear to pressurize Pakistan with getting some results, ban on LeT which as India said allegedly involved in Kashmir, attack over Pakistan after newly elected government, prove itself as power to attack on other country on the bases of terrorism as US policy.
But for US it was chance to destabilize India & Pakistan supporting possible war which could give reason deploy UN or US army from Afghanistan, control not only whole south Asia but main objective China. You has to understand how US is willing to see his army near China's boundary.

But he failed.
India & Pakistan showed mind use & protected by this invasion.

Not Fictional, but reality.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Considering that neither Zardari nor the security agencies in Pakistan have yet been unable to put the finger on the murderers of his late wife says something (actually a lot). And was'nt that matter enquired into by a UN commission because Pakistan was unable to inquire into it?

The UN was brought in as part of political theater. The UN commission did absolutely no original criminal or forensic investigation. All they did was talk to various people involved in the investigation, governance and events at the time to try and come up with an idea of what happened. As such, essentially they largely listened to a bunch of opinions and decided which ones they agreed with.

Complete waste of time and money, and most of us knew this when the UN 'investigation' was launched.

The UN commission offered nothing that an independent and bipartisan investigation commission in Pakistan could not have accomplished.

Of course Anne Patterson was completely convinced by this "pitter-patter" so she passed it on to 'Foggy Bottom' as some kind of evidence!

AP's job is to relay whatever transpires in her communications with the leadership in Pakistan - this was obviously an important POV to pass on.

 

[Vinod2070]

Please read my previous posts on how people across the world view the 9/11 attacks instead of just bashing Pakistanis

I wrote that post in the context of this thread. About the 26/11 issue.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I wrote that post in the context of this thread. About the 26/11 issue.

But you are making a generalized statement about Pakistanis alone - hence my point.

The sentiment you are referring to is evident across many nationalities and nations.

 

[Vinod2070]

But you are making a generalized statement about Pakistanis alone - hence my point.

The sentiment you are referring to is evident across many nationalities and nations.

Yes, but in the context of this thread it is applicable to some Pakistanis.

If you can show other people in denial of obvious facts, you can make the same comment for them as well.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yes, but in the context of this thread it is applicable to some Pakistanis.

If you can show other people in denial of obvious facts, you can make the same comment for them as well.

The survey over opinions about 9/11 does show that people across the world tend to believe in conspiracy theories. Focusing on any one set of people alone will end up turning into a flame war.