Zardari targets a barrage of abuse at the Military.

[Green Arrow]

Why we need enemies when we have our leaders like him?

 

[Saleem]

why do people keep on insisting the Z man is a 'leader'..he is the petty chief of a group of thugs and criminals.....call him as such....so is the big & small tundi gang.....and the gang around "the Leader".....

 

[Shamain]

Mqm supporters attitude in this thread is very disturbing. Seizing an opportunity.....for own agenda. But oh well!! When has that been a new thing?

 

[parkour guy]

I totally agree.

Bury zardari alive with her wife

 

[Secur]

Zardari has effectively blackmailed the army and the govt " Khyber say Karachi tak sara mulk bund kr dunga" moreover Altaf is just a two city party having no power outside these cities, whereas PPP is the second largest political party and it benifits from the democratic system, so it gets support from other parties as well in times of trouble. Example of Uzair Baluch is enough. Rangers COAS etc raising questions over police transfers and the criminal elements of PPP has piss*d off Zardari, and he will get away with every thing unlike Altaf. The double standards of ISPR and political parties are because they have been blackmailed.

No, he hasn't, not even close. Zardari and Co don't have effective power in many areas of Sindh (urban) anymore, let alone so far off in distant areas of the country. The PPP's popularity has declined to such a point that analysts believe that it might be reduced to Garhi-Khuda Baksh/Larkana in the near future due to the recent blunders in Thar, massive mismanagement, extensive long term corruption and the trouble with law enforcers/rangers operation (raid on Sharjeel Memon's house and Uzair Baloch's confession). There are elements within the party itself which would be overjoyed if an action is taken against Zardari. Its more than clear that Mr 10% made those threats in desperation and fear and he cant honor it, by any means. The ground realities say otherwise and the military establishment knows this fact, better than all of us. And considering your logic, MQM is the fourth largest political party in the country, represents eighty-eighty five percent of the voters and holds effective power in Karachi. Then, how does it happen that when Altaf and Co go wrong, they are subjected to condemnations and severe criticism from around the country and majority of the politicians/public however when its others (the sons of soil), most either keep quiet or give weak vague statements of support to military at best? Why couldn't/cant, again by your own logic, MQM benefit from the same democratic system? What explains this serious discrepancy in attitude and behavior?

I am not a big supporter of MQM, more of the "lesser of the two evils" type. But, it appears that most of the things they say about discrimination and bias are true. You can continue to rationalize though, its an old habit of Pakistanis to pretend that there's no problem.

Mqm supporters attitude in this thread is very disturbing. Seizing an opportunity.....for own agenda. But oh well!! When has that been a new thing?

No. The unequal behavior for two leaders who used almost the same words is. Any comments on that?

Is Altaf hussain pakistani citizen ? Would someone tolerate in japan, if some non-japanese talk about breaking japan ?

Does it matter? When half of your politicians are dual nationals. Is that your best rationalization of why ISPR and provincial assemblies are silent? Because its pathetic. Either start treating things equal, or have the guts to accept that there's no equality in country for the treatment meted out to immigrants and sons of soil alike.

Zardari simply chose better words to vent out unlike Altaf, I think Zardari is clever enough not to make a speech when drunk unlike Altaf Sb. Same threats in different words.

Fair dinkum? What better words has Zardari chosen? Because they were in more severity than anything Altaf had to say. Lets look at them.

"Hamein jang karna aata hai aur sirf hamein hi aata hai" (we know how to wage war and only we know how to do it)
"Hamein nhi chero warna hum tumhein nhi choren ge" (don't mess with/provoke us or we wont leave you)
"Eint se eint baja den ge" (we will tear you down brick by brick)
"Meine apko khabardar kardiya hai" (I have warned you x3)
"BB shaheed ki maut ke bad, meine Pakistan khappay ka naura lgaya tha, magar har cheez ki had hoti hai" (after Benazir's death, I chanted the slogan of "Pakistan should remain", but there's a limit to everything)
"Agar hum chahen, tu Sindh hi nhi, Karachi se le ker F.A.T.A. tak sab bund hojaye ga" (If we wish, not only Sindh, everything from Karachi to FATA will be blocked)

Stop lying to yourself, will you?

 

[Secur]

@Oscar Have you ever seen another group of people so severely rationalizing, presenting excuses and lying to themselves on why their beloved have such a large difference in their statements and actions when son of soil and immigrants do the same thing?

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Please. Just ok.

Any response yet? I remember the military establishment springing into action within hours of Altaf Hussain's statements. Whats the matter this time? Zardari got their tongue? I like the way though, you fanboys delude yourself. But only if fancy posters chould change the reality on ground.

 

[Rank]

@Oscar Have you ever seen another group of people so severely rationalizing, presenting excuses and lying to themselves on why their beloved have such a large difference in their statements and actions when son of soil and immigrants do the same thing?



Please. Just ok.

Any response yet? I remember the military establishment springing into action within hours of Altaf Hussain's statements. Whats the matter this time? Zardari got their tongue? I like the way though, you fanboys delude yourself. But only if fancy posters chould change the reality on ground.

What you understand from my post by the way ??

 

[Secur]

What you understand with my post by the way ??

Praise where there's anything to praise. There's nothing here at all, all the 26 agencies and the ISPR are keeping silent for whatever reason.

 

[Rank]

Praise where there's anything to praise. There's nothing here at all, all the 26 agencies and the ISPR are keeping silent for whatever reason.

They're silent because har kutay bilay ke bakwaas pe react nahe karti.... secondly... Army completely understand after MQM VS Rangers issue... kabhe DG sahab press kartay.. in response Altaf Hussain and sometime someone from MQM respond.. thn again DG sahab reply.. this Question Answer Answer answer ... response response game is over now... What army realized is, in front of international audience and diplomacy, ye koi acha image nahe ja raha ... dunya ko lagta hey jesay State Army is fighting with some political party.. .that is the reason now after Zardari speech, Army is completely quite and all the response from the Govt end... look how PMLN ministers react achanak lol... even supporters of PMLN was shocked to see the reaction of their ministers ...

Maybe today or tomorrow Nawz Sharif will meet Zardari but eek hint jawab tu dena tha the reason Nawaz Sharif ignore Zardari request for meeting..

 

[syedali73]

Praise where there's anything to praise. There's nothing here at all, all the 26 agencies and the ISPR are keeping silent for whatever reason.

Pakistanis in general have poor memory. This is Zardari, head of, PPP, shrunken or what but still a national level party. Similar or worst kind of statements have been made by ultra nationalists such as GM Syed, Paleejo, Mengal, Bacha Khan, Wali Khan, Asfand Yar Wali etc but Army never responded to those rants unlike how she reacted (or tends to react) towards MQM statements. I would hate to associate this difference (hypocracy) with son of the soil vs non son of the soil but unfortunately it appears like that.

 

[Secur]

They're silent because har kutay bilay ke bakwaas pe react nahe karti.... secondly... Army completely understand after MQM VS Rangers issue... kabhe DG sahab press kartay.. in response Altaf Hussain and sometime someone from MQM respond.. thn again DG sahab reply.. this Question Answer Answer answer ... response response game is over now... What army realized is, in front of international audience and diplomacy, ye koi acha image nahe ja raha ... dunya ko lagta hey jesay State Army is fighting with some political party.. .that is the reason now after Zardari speech, Army is completely quite and all the response from the Govt end... look how PMLN ministers react achanak lol... even supporters of PMLN was shocked to see the reaction of their ministers ...

Maybe today or tomorrow Nawz Sharif will meet Zardari but eek hint jawab tu dena tha the reason Nawaz Sharif ignore Zardari request for meeting..

Is that the next excuse? I seriously love the way that you apologists and rationalists would talk on everything but the real issue at hand. If that were the case, then the military establishment should have kept silent on Altaf and Co statements too. Because, the way I see it, no fine message was sent to a certain race by shouting back then and keeping quiet on Zardari's statements now. And the military-men have been playing this political game for decades, don't pretend that they have anything left to learn or ridiculous mistakes like these. Yes, like the army ever cared about foreign responses to the domestic problems (you are telling us that 3 coups later).

Nope, even the statements from the political party aren't as severe as those seen sometime before, when Altaf did the same thing. Whats with the weak *** vague statements of support to the military instead of direct condemnation as was seen back then?

P.S. Read news properly. He didn't ignore, he politely rescheduled the meeting for a later time.

 

[Rank]

Is that the next excuse? I seriously love the way that you apologists and rationalists would talk on everything but the real issue at hand. If that were the case, then the military establishment should have kept silent on Altaf and Co statements too. Because, the way I see it, no fine message was sent to a certain race by shouting back then and keeping quiet on Zardari's statements now. And the military-men have been playing this political game for decades, don't pretend that they have anything left to learn or ridiculous mistakes like these. Yes, like the army ever cared about foreign responses to the domestic problems (you are telling us that 3 coups later).

Nope, even the statements from the political party aren't as severe as those seen sometime before, when Altaf did the same thing. Whats with the weak *** vague statements of support to the military instead of direct condemnation as was seen back then?

P.S. Read news properly. He didn't ignore, he politely rescheduled the meeting for a later time.

lol why not Nawaz reschedule meeting with Zardari before ? THINK!

by the way this is not Musharaf or Kiyani type NRO karnay wali Army lol.... your comments proves that you're not aware with Raheel Sharif and Command or because of political affiliation, you're doing the same job (discourage or not give due credit). Surprised with "THINK TANK CHAIRMAN: ANALYSTS"

 

[Secur]

lol why not Nawaz reschedule meeting with Zardari before ? THINK!

by the way this is not Musharaf or Kiyani type NRO karnay wali Army lol.... your comments proves that you're not aware with Raheel Sharif and Command or because of political affiliation, you're doing the same job (discourage or not give due credit).

I am more interested in pondering over the reason, the difference in the treatment of both sides still exists, even when it was 6 decades (or 4 decades for Biharis) when the immigrants came to this country. I don't still see no politicians or public masses (on social media) labeling Zardari a traitor, like was done with Altaf.

I don't need to read his early life and ascension to power stories to see the discrepancy in behavior and actions. No, the army is doing a great job and giving sacrifices fighting its own creation, please don't say I don't give credit or discourage.

 

[Rank]

I am more interested in pondering over the reason, the difference in the treatment of both sides still exists, even when it was 6 decades (or 4 decades for Biharis) when the immigrants came to this country. I don't still see no politicians or public masses (on social media) labeling Zardari a traitor, like was done with Altaf.

I don't need to read his early life and ascension to power stories to see the discrepancy in behavior and actions. No, the army is doing a great job and giving sacrifices fighting its own creation, please don't say I don't give credit or discourage.

I take my words back regarding the credit but again, I still didn't get the point from your message. how many people called MQM traitor ? and if majority then there is a reason.... some one repeatedly behave like....... regarding Army then definitely perception tu wesi he hogi about MQM

 

[Secur]

I take my words back regarding the credit but again, I still didn't get the point from your message. how many people called MQM traitor ? and if majority then there is a reason.... some one repeatedly behave like....... regarding Army then definitely perception tu wesi he hogi about MQM

The point is that sons of soils and Muhajir are treated differently for the same thing. I have no problem with people calling MQM or its chief traitor sometime ago, seriously none. But I do have a problem with the ISPR, army, provincial assemblies, politicians, masses e.t.c not showing the same response now as they did back then. Why?