Zardari offers Pak warm waters to Chinese

[somebozo]

Pakistan strategic cross roads has got all kind of dirty intelligence agencies involved in war through terrorism. At this tough time its only best to make our alliances strong to boost our security. Remember matters of Chinese interests are also matters of security to them. Long live Pak-China friendship!

 

[POKEMON12]

Okay. Stop selling your country.

Looks like you are the only sensitive one in pakistan who believes that strategically imp areas are not surrendered to a nation whose ultimate goal is to become the US(big daddy) of asia.
On one hand pakistani guys said that they believe in good relation with India on platform of equality only, on the other hand completely surrendering themselves in China hands. Do they really believe that an economy and millitary as big as China is going to treat Pakistan equal to them. US never did it nor will China. US uses you and now its China's turn.
Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Do they really believe that an economy and millitary as big as China is going to treat Pakistan equal to them. US never did it nor will China. US uses you and now its China's turn.
Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who do you think benefits the most from the US-Israel relationship? Obviously Israel.

Bilateral relationships are not as simple as you are portraying them to be.

 

[POKEMON12]

Who do you think benefits the most from the US-Israel relationship? Obviously Israel.

Bilateral relationships are not as simple as you are portraying them to be.

I somewhat agrees.
China and India both are going through major economic reforms and their mentality is shifting more toward professional , realistic and sustainable competition. On the other side some pakstanis, in my opinion, who are more emotional and religious with adrenaline raging in ther veins considered this bilateral relationship as build up against India.
Personally I would prefer trilateral relationship Indo-Pak-China against western monoply and believe me it can works

 

[Omar1984]

Looks like you are the only sensitive one in pakistan who believes that strategically imp areas are not surrendered to a nation whose ultimate goal is to become the US(big daddy) of asia.
On one hand pakistani guys said that they believe in good relation with India on platform of equality only, on the other hand completely surrendering themselves in China hands. Do they really believe that an economy and millitary as big as China is going to treat Pakistan equal to them. US never did it nor will China. US uses you and now its China's turn.
Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

China-Pakistan relations is very different from U.S.-Pakistan relations. First of all, China never turned its back on Pakistan and never placed sanctions on Pakistan. And secondly, China never invaded our territory with drones or helicopters that killed our Pakistani soldiers and our innocent Pakistani civilians. The only time China came to our territory with its helicopters is when China provided humanitarian aid to flood and earthquake victims.

China is not a bully in the region, its india thats a wannabe america-like bully in the region. Every South Asian country is friendly with China, while every South Asian country has disputes with india.

Anyways, a strong China is in Pakistan's interest. China will never be a threat to Pakistan. There are no disputes between China and Pakistan. China doesn't claim any part of Pakistan and Pakistan doesnt claim any part of China. Pakistan's national and strategic interests dont conflict from China's national and startegic interests. China is the most friendly neighbour Pakistan has.

 

[POKEMON12]

China-Pakistan relations is very different from U.S.-Pakistan relations. First of all, China never turned its back on Pakistan and never placed sanctions on Pakistan. And secondly, China never invaded our territory with drones or helicopters that killed our Pakistani soldiers and our innocent Pakistani civilians. The only time China came to our territory with its helicopters is when China provided humanitarian aid to flood and earthquake victims.

China is not a bully in the region, its india thats a wannabe america-like bully in the region. Every South Asian country is friendly with China, while every South Asian country has disputes with india.

Anyways, a strong China is in Pakistan's interest. China will never be a threat to Pakistan. There are no disputes between China and Pakistan. China doesn't claim any part of Pakistan and Pakistan doesnt claim any part of China. Pakistan's national and strategic interests dont conflict from China's national and startegic interests. China is the most friendly neighbour Pakistan has.

o.k your choice sir.
But I think justification of Pak-China relations given by you are the same given for Pak-US relations 3 decades before. Hope history doesn't repeat itself.

 

[Omar1984]

o.k your choice sir.
But I think justification of Pak-China relations given by you are the same given for Pak-US relations 3 decades before. Hope history doesn't repeat itself.

So nice for you to care

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

o.k your choice sir.
But I think justification of Pak-China relations given by you are the same given for Pak-US relations 3 decades before. Hope history doesn't repeat itself.

They can make their own decisions.

 

[sensenreason]

China is not a bully in the region, its india thats a wannabe america-like bully in the region. Every South Asian country is friendly with China, while every South Asian country has disputes with india.

Anyways, a strong China is in Pakistan's interest. China will never be a threat to Pakistan. There are no disputes between China and Pakistan. China doesn't claim any part of Pakistan and Pakistan doesnt claim any part of China. Pakistan's national and strategic interests dont conflict from China's national and startegic interests. China is the most friendly neighbour Pakistan has.

China is a bully in the region and on the global stage. Do ask other East Asians or India or even Africans with whom economic disputes are on the rise.India is fixing its relations in its neighbourhood.

I agree Chinese and Pakistani interests are aligned at this time and they have good relations.However, do keep reading this for a few more months as things unravel.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

China is not a bully in the region, its india thats a wannabe america-like bully in the region. Every South Asian country is friendly with China, while every South Asian country has disputes with india.

Your opinion about China is your choice, Omar ji but about us is completely wrong. Every south Asian country except Pakistan is also friendly with India. Nepal and Bhutan have Open Border economic policy with us, Maldives and Mauritius have excellent ties with us, Bangladesh has helped us with flushing terrorists out of its territory and handed over to Indian government; even Burma has helped us recently in getting rid of tribal bandits and drug traffickers in our borders with them. Needless to say about the emerging strong ties between our extended neighbours and us in Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia that recently got a big boost after so many years of ancestral ties.

Sri Lankan president has come to India many times and has openly expressed his desire to warm ties with us and both our countries have signed many agreements.

You see, our perception of "friendly" country doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be militarily aligned to us. A "neutral" country in case of our war with a third regional player is also fine by us as we ourselves are non-aligned by strategy.

 

[Omar1984]

Your opinion about China is your choice, Omar ji but about us is completely wrong. Every south Asian country except Pakistan is also friendly with India. Nepal and Bhutan have Open Border economic policy with us, Maldives and Mauritius have excellent ties with us, Bangladesh has helped us with flushing terrorists out of its territory and handed over to Indian government; even Burma has helped us recently in getting rid of tribal bandits and drug traffickers in our borders with them. Needless to say about the emerging strong ties between our extended neighbours and us in Thailand, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia that recently got a big boost after so many years of ancestral ties.

Sri Lankan president has come to India many times and has openly expressed his desire to warm ties with us and both our countries have signed many agreements.

You see, our perception of "friendly" country doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be militarily aligned to us. A "neutral" country in case of our war with a third regional player is also fine by us as we ourselves are non-aligned by strategy.

Are you saying that only Pakistan has disputes with india? Think again.

List of India's territorial disputes:

- Aksai Chin
People's Republic of China
India


- Boraibari
Bangladesh
India


-Daikhata-Dumabari
India
Bangladesh


- Demchok, Chumar, Kaurik, Shipki Pass, Jadh, and Lapthal
People's Republic of China
India


- Indo-Bangladesh enclaves
India
Bangladesh


- Kachatheevu Island
India
Sri Lanka


- Jammu and Kashmir
India
Pakistan


- Kalapani region (Kalapani River), and the smaller Susta River dispute and the smaller still Antudanda and Nawalparasi disputes
India
Nepal


- Lathitila
India
Bangladesh


- Muhurichar river island
India
Bangladesh


- Pyrdiwah
India
Bangladesh


- Shaksgam Valley
People's Republic of China
India


- Siachen Glacier and Saltoro Ridge area
India
Pakistan


- Sir Creek
India
Pakistan


- South Talpatti/New Moore/Purbasha Island
India
Bangladesh


- South Tibet (most of Arunachal Pradesh)
People's Republic of China
India


- Trans-Karakoram Tract
People's Republic of China
India


Looks like India claims most of Asia, sounds like a wannabe bully to me.

List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It would be a proud moment if We can help China expand in warm waters by Iran , China has alot of trade with Pakistan and Iran and also with gulf so its important that they also have access to waters with deals with Pakistan

We owe alot of respect to China and we trust china

Obama can go bark his barking else where - we know he is a two faced liar

 

[sergente rehan]

It's a good move to create strategic economic relations with friendly China. It's in both countries interests. Creating an economic hub as it was inteded intially when the Gwadar project started will benefit in economic terms to both China and Pakistan. I didn't see it as selling our port or consider it harmfull for our sovreignity. if some people think in such way then they are fooling themselves and missleading others as they didn't know anything about economy or how the globalization works. Just look at dubai and any other realities. We want same situation for our port. It's only about economy, developement and infrastructure. If China will help building a new railway track and creating new jobs it will for sure benefit our economy and people.

 

[Vajra_Yuddh]

Are you saying that only Pakistan has disputes with india? Think again.

List of India's territorial disputes:

- Aksai Chin
People's Republic of China
India


- Boraibari
Bangladesh
India


-Daikhata-Dumabari
India
Bangladesh


- Demchok, Chumar, Kaurik, Shipki Pass, Jadh, and Lapthal
People's Republic of China
India


- Indo-Bangladesh enclaves
India
Bangladesh


- Kachatheevu Island
India
Sri Lanka


- Jammu and Kashmir
India
Pakistan


- Kalapani region (Kalapani River), and the smaller Susta River dispute and the smaller still Antudanda and Nawalparasi disputes
India
Nepal


- Lathitila
India
Bangladesh


- Muhurichar river island
India
Bangladesh


- Pyrdiwah
India
Bangladesh


- Shaksgam Valley
People's Republic of China
India


- Siachen Glacier and Saltoro Ridge area
India
Pakistan


- Sir Creek
India
Pakistan


- South Talpatti/New Moore/Purbasha Island
India
Bangladesh


- South Tibet (most of Arunachal Pradesh)
People's Republic of China
India


- Trans-Karakoram Tract
People's Republic of China
India


Looks like India claims most of Asia, sounds like a wannabe bully to me.

List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The dispute with Bangladesh somehow magically appeared only with BNP/Jamaati government coming into power but throughout their first 30 years of the country, Bangladesh never asked us anything. Where did these "disputes" come from then? Thin air? Take your pick.

There was one true dispute over 2 un-inhabited islands throughout last 35+ years I agree, both of which drowned in the tsunami, hence burying the dispute.

Dispute with Nepal never came up before Prachanda and his gang started pressing for "India violating our land". Even their extremely nationalist Rashtriya Prajatantra Party didn't have so many hiccups with us than what Prachanda magically created.

King Gyanendra raised an issue of Kalapani region but through mutual discussions it was solved, later only Dahal had brought the issue out of the dead. Madhav Kumar Nepal never mentioned it.

Nepal has an Open Border policy with us, meaning that Nepali people can come and work and stay and do everything like Indians in India except voting and vice versa. This policy makes it sometimes difficult to track each other's territory and hence sometimes some diplomatic issues slightly come up which is perfectly normal (not even 1/10th the level that you and we have). Do you know how much trust is needed at people-to-people level to have this kind of agreement? Take a guess why only Bhutan other than Nepal qualifies for such an agreement. BTW Nepalis are also indigenous to Sikkim as a part of our state community and have no issues with us. So spare me the lecture of telling me what Nepalis are like.


Dispute with Pakistan

You raised it; so it is your problem. Not ours.

Dispute with Sri Lanka

We traded off some concessionary territory with SL's previous government in exchange for this island. How many times have you heard Rajapakse raising any dispute? I recollect never. In fact, he came to India and said that SL was 100% supportive of India's policies and wanted to welcome India alongside China to have strong ties with his country.

Dispute with China is after CCP started asking for everything in our east including my own home state Sikkim then Arunachal Pradesh and east Ladakh (a part of the state of J&K) and even external (80 km) strip of Uttarakhand. Most Pakistani members talk of "south Tibet" because of your allegiance to China and not because you know the situation here. Accept it.

China has border dispute with Vietnam, Brunei, Indonesia, Philippines, Bhutan, Japan and India as you saw recently. Your friend isn't as clean as you you make him look or believe him to be.

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The bottomline aim of me telling that except Pakistan all are not problematic was in the sense that your "dispute" over our state is the most violent, non-cooperative and illogical while other countries didn't take it to the level you did. Now because of your mistakes in last 2 decades, any talk is impossible.

And let us not digress here but your own people are suffering now as well as a result of taking this to the extreme. Other than your country, even Chinese are relatively peaceful and mature in tackling our sensitivities.