Zarb A Azb: Why Is Pak Military Bragging About Its Success

[Joseph Goebbels]

Yes it needs detailed answer while I'm in Scandinavia and in my newly established office so a lot of stuff. I will reply surely.

Ok so you are Scandinavia but then how come in your second last post were so convinced that taliban is fighting PA cause it might have indian support ? i mean what proof you have of indian involvement ?

 

[Signalian]

India conducts business with militants and terrorists.

Revealed in a book by Ex RAW officer

Separatists, Militants, Politicos Get Paid by Indian Intelligence Agencies in J&K: Ex-Spy's Explosive Revelations

RAW involvement in Pakistan, statements by A S Dalut, EX RAW officer

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear Mastan Khan with all due respect,

I see it in a totally different perspective; a global perspective, an insurgency occurs in Libya and it ends with Gaddafi being killed, Assad is still fighting and loosing day by day to extremists; Afghanistan aided with your favourite and yardstick of military standards US army and NATO with their latest state of the art military hardware and billions of dollars; have comprehensively failed with Taliban taking the control of Kunduz and Hilmand; they are flat on the ground by every established parameter of defeat (not going into details here since that's out of the scope of this thread).
Pakistan army, facing an ever belligerent and conspiring India under war mongering Modi and a terrorist NSA Ajit Dogal, wavering US support and incompetent and utterly corrupt govt in Islamabad; goes into one of the most difficult terrains in the world, and fights with the terrorists who are thoroughly brainwashed, very well-versed with the local geography and local weather, and have no respect for human life even if it is their own and equipped with some of the latest frequency hoppers and weapons by our enemies i.e. RAW, NDS and others; Pak army kills them, drives them out of their hideout and annihilates their command and control structure. And that's not all, fighting Balochistan insurgents and succumbing the uprising sponsored and supported by so many names MI6, Iran, UAE, RAW and even Mossad. Even that's not all, Karachi infested with sleeper cells of enemy with hardened target killers, suicide-bombers, purse and mobiles snatchers (petty criminal but in large numbers) and worst of all, a totally corrupt and compromised police and above all a thorougly corrupt, incompetent and criminal provincial govt, Pak army through rangers cleans the city so much so that people walk freely in the night on roads and public places after decades and no go areas are wiped out. Do I need to say something more...I guess you would have access to a nice clean mirror....and I know you are self respecting and an honourable person...so if you have realised....just spend 30-40 minutes with it....do a monologue...for your analysis and to see what is wrong in your life right now that is bugging you so much that ....I know some 4 lettered words may automatically slip out of your mind and tongue but it will help to you lessen the burden on your conscience and let you sleep in a good way and see why Pak Army has every reason to be proud of their performance in the recent 3-4 yrs. Let's join to pay them a standing ovation and salute them.....and go back to your business.....tomorrow is a new day

Regards
War & Peace

Hi,

Thank you for the post---I am not here for a LOVEY DOVEY scenario for the pak military----because the rest of you can do my share as well.

Off course I look at the mirror and remind myself of my screwups----.

When the military invaded the Fata a year or so ago----and the families started moving out---why did they not seperate fighting age men from the families and place them in a detention center to check if some belonged to the terrorists---specially the clean shave ones.

The problem with you guys is----that you are happy with the lowest success factor of your military----not knowing that your military has the ability and capabiltity for performing at a much higher level and threshold.

You are justifying the job of the MANAGERS that lack vision---who have no grip on history----who have issues with differentiating between pakistan and islamic brotherhood----who do not understand the power of PROPAGANDA and the use of electronic media to support your cause---where an illeterate Mullah Fazalullah has more media savyness thatn most of the generals----.

You have a right to enjoy your cheap victories----and I also have a right to smash their high pedastals---so be it.


The problem with all you guys is---that you have no concept of TIME in this scenario----. For you guys----times is not even an issue---for you guys---the vagaries of time is not even a concept in your diction---.

Simply told---you guys do not have the ability to understand and comprehend what I am writing if you cannot understand the importance of time fighting the terrorists.

Napoleon lost his most important battle because his Flank was late by 1 minute in moving---.

I am talking of something totally foreign to guys----you kids just read some of my post---see something going against the military and all sense of reasoning just flies out of the window----.

 

[war&peace]

Off course I look at the mirror and remind myself of my screwups----.

Sorry for that I just went in flow but I always have a great respect for you

The problem with you guys is----that you are happy with the lowest success factor of your military----not knowing that your military has the ability and capabiltity for performing at a much higher level and threshold.

You are justifying the job of the MANAGERS that lack vision---who have no grip on history----who have issues with differentiating between pakistan and islamic brotherhood----who do not understand the power of PROPAGANDA and the use of electronic media to support your cause---where an illeterate Mullah Fazalullah has more media savyness thatn most of the generals----.

I would say that under Gen. Kayani military performed really bad. He was not a visionary leader and always sought extension and perhaps to protect the corruption of his brothers.
Ge. Raheel had to clear all that mess and to focus on many fronts. Thus the strategy of the two are very different.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir Mastan,

I know you are much older, wiser and knowledgeable than me however reading all your posts in this thread i didn't understand the purpose of starting this thread. There is no denying what you said is correct, wrong decisions were made and many things could have been done differently (although i do not agree that all of it was Army's fault) however that is all in the past, how do you think it is any use to anyone to whine about it now? There is general consensus that General Raheel Sahrif is trying to right all the wrongs and things are moving in the right direction, unless you know something which we don't, in which case, i would request you to discuss what needs to be done "NOW" and in future. Seniors like yourself should avoid starting such threads as they are demoralizing for the youngsters who already have a few threads to cling to.

Sir,

I would rather be known as an absolute ars-ehole who knows what he says rather be known as old and wise---.

It is not about demoralizing the youngsters----actually in a way it is----be demoralized and become angry----and then tell them in a bigger voice that this lollygagging by the military hierarchy and public officials is not acceptable.

Because unless you are not down---how can you get up---unless you don't know that there is a wrong---how can you correct it.

Do what that alcoholic was doing----admitting and acknowledging your shortcomings is the first step towards building and correcting the direction that you take in the future.

 

[Vapnope]

Then with all the fanfare and drama---they let Osama Bin Laden escape Kandhar---even though he was on the drone camera for 1 1/2 hours----the generals just did not order to press the trigger and neither did the white house which was looking at the live feed.

This hints that Yankees wanted to take the battle inside the Pakistan. And so they did.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

" Not easy to launch "----you should read operation blue star---how the indian military took out the sikhs----and that also thru a sikh general----.

You're not seriously comparing Operation Blue Star with something of the size and scope of the military operations in Swat or various parts of FATA are you?

 

[MastanKhan]

This hints that Yankees wanted to take the battle inside the Pakistan. And so they did.

Hi,

Thank you----it was like words written in the blue skies for everyone to read----. Just because they let him escape---did not mean that they did not want him---just because they stated that they did not want him anymore---did not mean that they are not going to change their mind---.

And that is the crux of my discussion----. It was sheer stupidity on those who believed it---and those who did not prepare for it---.

You're not seriously comparing Operation Blue Star with something of the size and scope of the military operations in Swat or various parts of FATA are you?

Hi,

In punjab and sindh as well.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Do what that alcoholic was doing----admitting and acknowledging your shortcomings is the first step towards building and correcting the direction that you take in the future.

This is something I agree with you on completely - for one, a general acknowledgement by the current military leadership that past military takeovers/coups of the country were unconstitutional and cannot/will not be condoned.

 

[war&peace]

Great Post indeed congrats but what about the fact that Oil Rich wahabi middle eastern GCC nations do most of the funding of taliban and were first to rekognise there government in Afghanistan along with pakistan and all these good or bad taliban or freedom fighters as you call them are hard core sunni and wahabi ideologists and besides NDS or RW&A there is a very heavy fixed force of CIA & NATO then how come they let NDS & RW&A do and get away with all that you suggested against there Most Important Non NATO Ally on whome they are so dependent for there supply routes and nagociations with various taliban and its splinter groups ?

As I gave you my words that I will answer you....
I scribbled (typed basically) quite a few lines...went back and forth but then I discovered this thanks to my Swedish friend and a political analyst and graduate from Harvard Law School, So I guess it is much amusing to hear it from the horse's mouth