Zaid Hamid commentary

[IMADreamer]

 

[IMADreamer]

you were Banned ... Welcome back but we didn't missed you tough

sorry BB did't understnd..noops i never banned .
i don't want to do any single work due to which i can get any single warning leave ban aside.(not because i fear from ban/warning but because hamari TAHZEEB aisi nahi hian aur na hamare bado ne hame ye shikhya hian ki guest ke ghar me jakar uska apmaan karo(yes we have differences in openion and thinking and we can argue on it)).

if i will ever do this then lots of my fellow indian member and my elders will never forgive me and i never want to do this)

And honestly speking you don't know me bt i know you from very long time till you joined forumn and have read most of your posts.

yaar i m saying again and again that i m not here for pakistaan bashing.yes i posed these videos but my intention was just to spread humour not hate.
if you guys still don't want then i will delete all those videos i have no prob. i m not here for making enemys i m here for making friends.

i just posed videos from your own media which was censord by your own goverment so i don't think that i post any wrong/flame video.but still you guys want to delete just because i m an indian so no prob. i will delete just let me know.

 

[Kompromat]

hey its all good man ...

take it easy and chill.

 

[Hyde]

sorry BB did't understnd..noops i never banned .

yaar i m saying again and again that i m not here for pakistaan bashing.yes i posed these videos but my intention was just fun not hate.
if you guys don't want i will deleted all those videos i have do prob. i m not here for making enemys i m here for making friend.

i just posed videos from your own media which was censord by your own goverment so i don't thnk i post any wrong video.but still you guys want to delete just because i m an indian so no prob. i will delete just let me know.

Don't worry dreamer you did a good job by posting these videos here

Thanks for sharing...............

 

[thebrownguy]

did u miss a parody of ajmal kasab, its the best dont miss it, haha

fcuk off indian

pakistani media is much mature than indian media, atleast they talk about realities where as indian media though much older than pak media is shamlessly childish and immature and is much fanticised by bollywood.

No offence hammy, but the parody of kasab was disgusting. These clowns were joking about an incident which involved a massacre of 200 innocent people.

And as far as media is considered I am not exactly proud of our news channels. I agree that it is not exactly a very mature media.


And if you are calling Pakistani media mature and more factual in their approach while keeping ZH in mind, then please think again. This guy lives in a world which is Pakistan centric and everyone is conspiring against Pakistan. In one of Brasstacks episodes the host went on to say that global recession is a conspiracy against Pakistan.
Is This mature?

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

I find on internet some thing unbelieving, about Zaid Hamid , That he is just enemy of Islam.

Please download document from Following link, read and then Comment .


Zaid Hamid's Reality and his defend of Yusuf Kazzab


Regards,

 

[Kompromat]

aik or flame thread aagai....yaar choor do ZH ki jaan...or bhi gham hain Zamanay main Zaid Zaman kay siwa

Zara is website ka IP check kar kay batana mujhe

 

[Imran Khan]

beleve me i never see ZH any program 10 mints in my life but i am now sick from realty of him again and again .leave him alone yaar every 3 days same story yousif kazzab and zaid haimd .

 

[graphican]

I find on internet some thing unbelieving, about Zaid Hamid , That he is just enemy of Islam.

Please download document from Following link, read and then Comment .


Zaid Hamid's Reality and his defend of Yusuf Kazzab

Regards,

My Dear Friend,

Zaid has produced more than 200 programs by the time you are reading this text. For your convenience, I am sending you link of 200th program that was about Judaical and Political reforms in the country and that is only, totally and entirely based on the principles of Khalafat-e-Rashda.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=5DB7995CD7B64C31&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&v=5QighNmR_NM

These 200 programs are a very good resource for your to judge what is this person talking about and what Ideology he follows. BUT having said that, I would say there are people in Pakistan who he is targeting and all of these sections of society are Nationalists and people who like to gain benefit by harming Pakistan. Yes Zaid is against them and they cry when Ziad targets them.

The propaganda that you are being subjected to has been answered and answered very well by him. Have a look at the Videos listed under.

I wish you luck and also pray God would show you the right path and ability to identify truth out of lies.

 

[graphican]

beleve me i never see ZH any program 10 mints in my life but i am now sick from realty of him again and again .leave him alone yaar every 3 days same story yousif kazzab and zaid haimd .

You are missing something big sir. I suggest and hope you can afford to waste 60 minutes of your valuable time to judge this guy. At the time of darkness, he is one hope for the Nation.

 

[graphican]

@IMADreamer

It is so nice to see even Indians are somewhat obsessed of this guy , even if Negatively. This aspect suggests how charismatic this guy has become . He is hope of our future Pakistan and we are happy to have found him at the time we needed somebody desperately.

 

[Imran Khan]

You are missing something big sir. I suggest and hope you can afford to waste 60 minutes of your valuable time to judge this guy. At the time of darkness, he is one hope for the Nation.

sorry i have no time for this yaar i feel good without tv in my roomon net i can't see becuse i have habbat of page refresh.

 

[sparklingway]

Fasi Zaka made some genuine points in his column this week.

Hate speech III
The Pakistan report card
By Fasi Zaka

Zaid Hamid, the self-proclaimed 'defence analyst' and a 'scholar' with innumerable other self-bestowed platitudes, has suffered from a number of humiliating setbacks recently. I wrote about this purveyor of hate speech, militarism and spontaneous fiction (conspiracy theories) nearly a year and a half ago, criticising him for hate-mongering and half-truths.

In retaliation, he sent out a mass email claiming that I was critiquing him at the behest of international Zionists and bankers, getting me threats from his acolytes and followers. No longer the darling of TV evangelism, today he has been put down several pegs, rendering him temporarily ineffective.

He was run out of Islamia College in Peshawar by a peace group, his conventions in Islamabad were disrupted by angry students, he's been named in an FIR for murder and his most ambitious project, creating a new Pakistan resolution at Minar-e-Pakistan in front of millions of his followers, as he had boasted, fizzled in front of far less than a hundred people at a hastily concluded event at Alhamra in Lahore on the 23rd of this month.

So, was it people like me, and many other columnists who did a far better job of addressing this demagogue, who won out with arguments of rationalism, trying to reclaim public discourse from charlatans? No. Factual argument had very little to do with it. And that is problematic as I shall explain further on.

What happened? Two things: first the overconfidence of his relentless ego that believed its own hype, and second a past that caught up with him. Let's look at each in turn, eventually coming to the point I mentioned before, that his misfortunes are not a cause for celebration.

First, ego. In his speeches, he rails for the reintroduction of the Khilafat system but is short on all specifics. Simultaneously, he will present himself as the saviour, using the royal "we". He is not one for modesty, quickly one sees through the ruse. He launches into huge spiels of how the CIA, RAW and Mossad are afraid of him. In one TV programme he claimed that the FBI was watching him and he had found a loophole on its website, that it didn't mention Osama bin Laden's wanted status in reference to 9/11. Zaid was sure that after the programme had been aired the FBI would change it.

Well, as usual with Zaid, the facts were wrong. Osama never claimed involvement with 9/11, only his appreciation for it, and the reason for it is tactical. If Osama was caught, any admission would bring a quick close to the trial, he would like to prolong it to give him an opportunity to critique the US for as long as possible within earshot of the US media. As it is, the website has not changed to this day, more than a year after Zaid claimed it would after his revelation. So much for being an "analyst". It's been more than a year since he definitely "proved" that Israel would attack Pakistan in March of 2009.

Regarding his total failure in getting a hundred, let alone lakhs of, people to hear him pass a new 'Pakistan Resolution', he has a new excuse that he has sent out to his followers. Apparently, he thinks it's just like the situation of the Prophet (PBUH) at Hudaiybia! Talk about narcissism.

A charismatic and well-spoken man, he got too used to followers who lapped all his "prophetic" words about politics without counterargument, and the summersaults and changing of position he regularly did were ignored by them on account of the force of his personality. Unfortunately, for him the problem with the media is that it creates repositories online, so in one programme where he tries and puts up a peaceful façade by saying he isn't against Hindus, it's easily contradicted by another programme where he calls them a "paleed" nation.

He says he hates the US, but will happily accept dollars for small reports he authors. It was almost as if he believed he was immune to the rules of logic, and that others wouldn't notice. Anyone who did was a CIA/Mossad/RAW agent, like Hamid Mir who he once accused of being just that.

He has been railing against democracy for the longest time because of Pakistan's cooperation with the US and his desire for his caliphate, but will never criticise Musharraf who set the current relationship in place. If it suited Zaid the rules were flexible. And hence the backlash.

Falling in love with celebrity circles was another problem. While pushing a hardliner Islamic agenda, he would also hobnob with rock stars and fashion designers who treated him with a cult-like awe. Increasing the personal realm of influence was more important than ideological consistency. Others saw through that.

And now to the past. Islamic groups turned against Zaid Hamid when an old case against Yousuf Ali (better known since as Yousuf Kazzab) gained prominence. Yousuf believed he had the soul of the Prophet (PBUH) within him, and was eventually sentenced to death for blaspheming. Documentary evidence has since surfaced that alleges close links between Zaid Hamid and Yousuf. Zaid denied any association for the longest time, but now admits to a link and has not outright distanced himself from the beliefs of Yousuf. This has galvanised the ulema against him. The FIR against Zaid Hamid for murder is for the gunning down of Maluana Jalalpuri who authored a fatwa against Zaid and was killed soon after. His family claim Zaid Hamid had threatened him before his murder.

Whenever Yousaf Kazzab is brought up before Zaid, he insists that the Quranic rules of evidence should be used and false allegations shall take accusers to hellfire. Funny, it never occurs to him to use the same Quranic principles when he randomly labels anyone who inconveniences him in his thirst for followers as a traitor and an agent.

Now, why do I say the downfall of Zaid should not be celebrated? Well, because the very issues of hate speech, militarism and false conspiracy theories remain unaddressed. If Zaid's past was clean, if his ego had not got the better of him, would he have been kosher for Pakistan? In their charge against Zaid, why are the ulema not also talking about how our religion is being misused to fan hate and not tolerance? Even if Zaid magically became irrelevant, what about the persistence of these arguments by others? What is to be done about the erosion of rational discourse in our country?

Is it no less a blasphemy that the ulema who are happy to put their attention to Zaid remain quiet when innocent Christian villages are razed by angry mobs? Or that the Prophet's (PBUH) instructions on education are routinely ignored in a nation that suffers from unforgivable illiteracy? What about the boy murdered in the UET for listening to music by the Islami Jamiat-e-Talba, why are the ulema silent? The ulema have said nothing about Zaid's other pronouncements and beliefs; their love affair with him is only over because of his alleged past, not his dubious present.

The truth of the matter is that Pakistan is in no danger of not believing in the finality of the Prophet (PBUH), with the exception of some small groups. The ulema have a role to play that they have woefully neglected, rather becoming instruments in reactionary behaviour, being anti-progress and sidelining education. Of course, there are some who are an exception to this, but the large majority has failed to provide for the people, preferring instead power over the illiterate.

There is a section celebrating Zaid's setbacks. That's myopic. One man is not responsible for the madness in a country where some, for example, in the middle class, cannot bring themselves to condemn the Taliban. A victory would have been if the triumph was for reclaiming sense, rationality and Islam in our national dialogue from those who subdue it for self-aggrandisement.

Correction
Friday, March 26, 2010
I made a factual mistake in my article "Hate speech III" (March 25) that I would like to correct. I had written that Osama bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. In 2004 Osama eventually claimed responsibility for them. However, Zaid Hamid's assertion in 2009 that he uncovered an FBI mistake on its website that it had not charged Osama for the destruction of the Twin Towers is incorrect because the same was highlighted as far back as 2006 by the Washington Post. To which the FBI clarified that it had purposely kept it that way for unspecified legal reasons.

Fasi Zaka

 

[sparklingway]

They did geot the NoC. earlier mullas went to an extent to threaten bloodshed. They went to Shabaz Shahrif govt and forced him to take action on pretext of looming law and order situation.

These mullas and their funded supporters have endgangerd the lives of thousands of participants so Punjab govt did not have any option but to cancel the entire thing. The program was ended even before the start.

But the takmeel people promised to pass the resolution asking for the integerity and unity of Pakistan so they did.

Anyway its such a shame that in the name of religion they are mixing national hopes and good steps for hope with their personal vendeta.

May Allah keep Pakistan safe from enemies

The mullahs should not have announced their event to force the government to cancel his. He should have been allowed to organize his event. Their are limits to freedom of speech (spreading hatred and intolerance) but he aimed to organize an "awakening" and he should have been allowed to do so. Kids came from Karachi to attend it and went back disappointed.

PS:- I wonder how many would have really turned up. Burger kids don't really want to to stand in long lines or stand under the sun.

 

[FireFighter]

We should learn learn Islam and rationalism from the likes of Fasi Zaka and Nadeem Paracha. the paid goons of the elite media empires. the salesman of democracy and good governance of the PPP. right.