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Dont worry China this helicopter has a higher service ceilling then the tejas So You can shoot tejas but tejas cannot :china:

I think you are right
Even if the Chinese took some help so what everybody does name me one country that doesnot

India Does not every thing is In house in indian Defence i.e Cheetah chooper, Super Cheetah chooper, LCA,Arjun,AKASH,TRISHUL,etc
 
Dont worry China this helicopter has a higher service ceilling then the tejas So You can shoot tejas but tejas cannot :china:

We don't compare ourselves with India. Why bother comparing yourself with a country that is behind you?
We have already defeated them in war, we don't need to even give them any attention to their country. They are just a pest, nothing more than that.
 
I hope this article is right. I hope this Russian, American, European,Indian (everyone but Chinese) attack helicopter kicks some serious a$$ in South Tibet. I hope it's going to be like shooting jawans in a barrel with the WZ-10.
 
i believe the story is true, but kamov only responsible for design concept only as clearly stated in the article. the real engineering works are in chinese hands. hence, the reasons why they consulted agusta and euro-copter to help with the transmission and rotor blades and PW engines fro protoypes, instead of kamov.. not 100% indigenous, but who cares. if they buy bullets or arty shells from others like some country, then that's big deal. lol

the y-20 has a lot of help from antonov too, so don't be surprised if news like this pop up one day. i think most people already know this. :lol:
 
i believe the story is true, but kamov only responsible for design concept only as clearly stated in the article. the real engineering works are in chinese hands. hence, the reasons why they consulted agusta and euro-copter to help with the transmission and rotor blades and PW engines fro protoypes, instead of kamov's.. not 100% indigenous, but who cares. if they buy bullets or arty shells from others like some country, then that's big deal. lol

the y-20 has a lot of helps from antonov too, so don't be surprised if news like this pop up one day. i think most people already know this. :lol:

should be equal to all, why now defending china , it should acknowledge it taken foreign help why hiding and lying to others.
 
yes , very true in case of China but in case of India "Druv" , things reverse.

the druv still heavily relies on imported critical and non critical parts. lol



should be equal to all, why now defending china , it should acknowledge it taken foreign help why hiding and lying to others.

the chinese get help for the design and make everything themselves. india has a lot help openly from others.. build the final products based on components made by others and still can't get em to work. not equal.. :D
 
You know guys, this is not even a news, just a blog by a common bloger....... Do you guys seirously believe it?
If I open a blog and say all indian jets, tanks are designed by me, do you believe that ? :omghaha:
Indian just believe what they want to believe, but never base on the truth or reasonable logic thinking, this is the indian.:smitten:
 
Indian projects are not secret, we all know what comes from where. In LCA/ALH/Arjuna etc we all know which foreign country helped on what subcomponent.

Our datasheet are open, we never claim we made something, which we not.. While Chinese copy all stuff, still they try to show they have achieve on there own.

J10: Lavi design
FC1 : Some Russian design
J11 : Russian design
Tanks : Russian design

remember 50-60% of job done when you copy the basic design. Suppose I get detail design of F22, how much it will difficult to make something like F22?



Chinese need open media which can reveal the truth. The truth is hidden among Communist leader...

The emperor, without clothes, is laughed at!!

WZ-10 was initially designed and tested with US P&W, Russian and Ukrainian engine.

But later China developed Wozhou (WZ)-9 turbo-shaft engine that is used in production WZ-10 attack helicopter.

WZ-9 IS a Chinese made indigenous engine.

No, WZ-9 was designed by indian, here is the reason:WZ-9 "copied" US p&w, but there are indians in the teams that designing p&w engines, So, WZ-9 was designed by indian!!
 
You know guys, this is not even a news, just a blog by a common bloger....... Do you guys seirously believe it?
If I open a blog and say all indian jets, tanks are designed by me, do you believe that ? :omghaha:
Indian just believe what they want to believe, but never base on the truth or reasonable logic thinking, this is the indian.:smitten:

it's form aviation week at the heli-expo. this is different from the other bs we've heard of. i doubt anyone is this shameless.. :rolleyes:
 
This totally makes the chines propaganda lady naked infornt of every one internationally the Chines CCP has been hiding many facts under the cover of false and hallow propaganda even today they steal or buy Russian concepts and designs and use their cheap chines paint to cover it up and rest of the Chines rejoice over international forms as if it is their own baby where as in reality it was the Russian seed which they grew up as their baby... meanwhile the Russian laugh on them secretly with their next chines wife.

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And at times rest of the world get to see the chines exposed like this.

May be I drank a glass or two vodka more with that chines escort last night..... :lol:

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Chinese design, russian validation, consulting contract signed in 1994 and stopped in 1998 because of exorbitant fee and low added value from Kamov design office.

It's not correct to say that this is Kamov's design.

However I can understand the reaction of Kamov today as they never succeed in selling Ka-50/52 in China because of Z-10, but take the risk to lose credibility.

I suggest to close this thread as this is not really a "news".

Henri K.
 
I would wanted to note that Mikheev insists Kamov created only preliminary design, the rest of work Chinese waged on their own, to the credit of their country.

The Changhe Aircraft WZ-10 attack helicopter is based on a Russian design commissioned by the Chinese, Kamov's chief design engineer says.

In 1995, Kamov developed a preliminary design in the 6t weight class under a contract with the Chinese government, says Sergey Mikheev, Kamov's chief design engineer, speaking at the Heli-Expo trade show in Las Vegas, Nevada.

"Due to understandable reasons, this information was kept secret," he says.

The Project 941 design was not based on any Soviet-era attack helicopter project and was strictly designed for China's unique requirements, Mikheev says. "They gave us the desired weight, we discussed preliminary performance parameters, then we signed a contract and we fulfilled the contract," he says.

After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, he says. Kamov did not participate in any further developmental work on the WZ-10, he insists.

Thereafter, to the country's credit, Mikheev says, the Chinese handled the rest of the developmental work. That includes the developmental prototypes and the operational aircraft that is currently in production for the Chinese military.


"So I wish success to the helicopter," Mikheev says.

Mikheev would not comment on the WZ-10's performance. "That is a question for the Chinese," he says. "I know what I have done."
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HELI-EXPO: Chinese WZ-10 attack helicopter based on Kamov design
 
Chines CCP has been hiding many facts under the cover of false and hallow propaganda even today they steal or buy Russian concepts and designs and use their cheap chines paint to cover it up

After Kamov completed the design, the Russian design bureau verified the design via testing. Kamov then delivered the design to China and the Project 941 concept was accepted by that country's government for further development, he says. Kamov did not participate in any further developmental work on the WZ-10, he insists.

Thereafter, to the country's credit, Mikheev says, the Chinese handled the rest of the developmental work. That includes the developmental prototypes and the operational aircraft that is currently in production for the Chinese military.


"So I wish success to the helicopter," Mikheev says.


I would like to advise you to restrict your language on PDF , it is clearly against the forum rules and no Moderator will tolerate such sort of abusive language here so try and learn to express yourself or in this case vent out your frustration in a civil manner before a Chinese accidentally hits the report button ... :azn:
 
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