Youths protest against democracy

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

No need to slit throats this doesnt work , people want democracy check election results .... only way possible is let democracy take the revenge
leaders who deliver get the votes those who do not provide they dont , constant military interference doesnt work for pakistan and wont solve any issues , any more interference or dictators will further create problems

You dont need to advise me in this regard... I have no intentions of slitting throats...

As for Democracy... Its a false God... It ll fall like all false Gods...

I m actually interested in something you just wrote... Pray tell us what has Zardari delivered to become the President? Or since becoming President...

Are you in competition for joke of the day??

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

This is true with regards to Hizb-Ut-Tehrir - they are a bunch of mindless fools who don't know what they say and when........even though they raise valid points there methods are very silly.....

Recently in Birmingham, UK....there members went out to preach about Islam, and managed to circle a 8 year old boy and converted him to islam in front of the media, I mean, WTF is all that about........grooming a child who does not even understand much like that........

These guys are a disease and should be not just segregated but actively banned........these fools are the very ones who decided to protest against British soldiers coming back from Afghanistan during there parade march which lead to so much hatred towards Islam that a very fanatical white and mixed non-Muslim group, the English Defence League (EDL) came into being and today there numbers grow every time they launch a protest about anything to do with Islam, sad thing is, the public actually now support the EDL and they get thousands of supporters coming out.......they have really shot Muslims in the foot in the UK now........and where are they now when the EDL decides to march and smash a Mosque, like they did in Dudley, Nowhere.......vanished and dissappeared taking their fanatic views with them, when the going gets tough they quite, just like that tw@t Omar Bakri of Al-Muhajiroun, he spoke openly like a d!ck as well, only to force the British Government to bring in the New Anti-Terrorism Laws, and a week before they came into force, what does he do, make a runner to Lebanon, leaving the Muslims in the UK to face all the wrath.............

Partial information will deliver wrong judgement bro... You are talking about some people who were thrown out of Hizb ut Tahrir for their antics... I know the guys well... Anjum Choudrey and company... We had some problems with his followers in Ireland also...

I m telling you... the very reason HuT is surviving in Britain is because of their political shrewdness... The government simply cannot ban them because they are huge in terms of influence in the Muslim community... even though Cameron is on record to have planned to ban them on more than one occassions...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

No brother! Jana is right. I have also seen those Hizb-ul-Tehrir pamphlets in detail that they often hand over after jumma prayers. My brother has brought them many times. Wait till i get them one more time.

They are surely misleading you. Everytime they ask to rebel against the current Govt with the help of military coup.

I first came to know about them ten years ago... I have checked them inside out... what may sound like a coup to you is basically asking the military to take a stand and establish Khilafat... considering the influence Pak Army has in politics... its not an irrational demand...

Do publish the next leaflet... no one is above criticism... I ll tell you this much though... these people have been trying to achieve a noble goal for a very long long time...

See the following for yourself...

List of Hizb ut-Tahrir activists martyred by Gaddafi

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So I totally reject the idea of banning a non violent political group... Next thing you ll know is we will become another Libya and Uzbekistan under teh influence of US and Britain...

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

Am i the only one that sees the irony of organizing a protest for a form of governance created in the 6th century through face book ? I am sure the they also supported the site while draw Mohammad day was going on. Whatever rocks their boat i guess.

haha... Yes you are the only one... Perhaps others are smarter than you to know that Democracy is a much older and antiquated ruling system than the Caliphate and dates back to the 4 century B.C

Welcome to the modern times Jigs

LOL!!!!

 

[Gazzi]

Partial information will deliver wrong judgement bro... You are talking about some people who were thrown out of Hizb ut Tahrir for their antics... I know the guys well... Anjum Choudrey and company... We had some problems with his followers in Ireland also...

I m telling you... the very reason HuT is surviving in Britain is because of their political shrewdness... The government simply cannot ban them because they are huge in terms of influence in the Muslim community... even though Cameron is on record to have planned to ban them on more than one occassions...

MBQ - I am intimately aware of HuT and can say with no reservation, the British Government would not care two cents what the hell Muslims think about HuT, if they wanted to actually ban something, they'd do it passing Statute through Parliament......Unfortunately they cannot by Law, ban individual groups who are not involved in active terrorism......hence why the EDL is flourishing thats to these mindless tw@ts who have made life very difficult for ALL Muslims in the UK.......

 

[jayron]

haha... Yes you are the only one... Perhaps others are smarter than you to know that Democracy is a much older and antiquated ruling system than the Caliphate and dates back to the 4 century B.C

Welcome to the modern times Jigs

LOL!!!!

The difference is democracy changes with time and is accommodating as it is made my humans for humans. Can you do the same in your version of government?

 

[Imran Khan]

shot them all and send me pics of bodes .

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

MBQ - I am intimately aware of HuT and can say with no reservation, the British Government would not care two cents what the hell Muslims think about HuT, if they wanted to actually ban something, they'd do it passing Statute through Parliament......Unfortunately they cannot by Law, ban individual groups who are not involved in active terrorism......hence why the EDL is flourishing thats to these mindless tw@ts who have made life very difficult for ALL Muslims in the UK.......

Bro you make it sound like HuT is the reason for anti Islamism in the UK... This is not the case... Britain is one of the most vicious anti Islam state in the world... it has ancient animosity against Muslims and Islam... and secondly and more importantly in context of your concern... the National Front and BNP have been in existance for decades before anyone ever heard the name HuT in Britain...

I speak from experience that when confronted I actually used HuT arguments to shatter the EDL arguments in a public discussion... Actually the person who was supporting EDL became mute when certain facts were put to him in a frank straight forward manner... There is a reason why I would defend them despite them having Arab roots... we need to be careful when we accuse others of something due to our perception and emotions... the reality can be different...

 

[Gazzi]

I do however agree that a Khilfah may well be an open option for pakistan, but to progress this further, there needs to be a single educational curriculum passed first, as this needs to be based on Islamic and other studies, like science and other subjects........

Biggest mistake made by Pakistan was at its creation, when Mullah, Imams, Hafiz, Qari's and Mufti went down the route of Madrassahs and the Mr, Professor, Doctor, Lawyer went to College and University which has led to a confronation head on like we see today........

Both types of studies must be conducted togather, if not, then ask the taliban about not having this sort of mix. Today, if America is dropping bombs on them, then it is because the children in America went to these Universities and learnt enough to make missiles and rockets which are used against them today. To all, the US withdrawal may be seen as a defeat but people forget to see that the US is leaving because of costs measured against achievement in a country as insignificant as Afghanistan. The US anounced when they were coming, came into Afghanistan, removed the Taliban overnight, took over the entire country, if they wanted they could have killed everyone in Afghanistan, yet they killed at whim, went where they wanted, only for the taliban to launch an attack here and there, totally non existent as far as the US is concerned, and now they are going, and have anounced it also, knowing full well, the Taliban and its supporters can do nothing.

This is the power of education, simply sitting on a rock saying God will help us may end up giving you piles.......we need to radically change and agree to an Islamic curriculum which would give the true view of Islam, not the local Imam who deciedes to go his own way........

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

The difference is democracy changes with time and is accommodating as it is made my humans for humans. Can you do the same in your version of government?

Yes and thats where the flaw of democracy lies... Leave it to the rich and powerful to bring in laws that suit them... just look at how the banks have been bailed across Europe and America with millions of poor people left jobless and poor...

As for other matters... anything and everything is used in Islam... This is why I think the comment of Jigs was actually insulting in a way... To his brainwashed AtaTurkist mindset, he thinks that desiring Islam would mean there would be no use of technology... whereas our reality is full of examples where Muslims developed technologies just to overcome obstacles... be them in government or warfare... two examples should suffice... The adoption of Divan system by Syedna Umar RA and the comissioning of the biggest cannons of their time by Fateh Sultan Mehmet...

 

[Gazzi]

Bro you make it sound like HuT is the reason for anti Islamism in the UK... This is not the case... Britain is one of the most vicious anti Islam state in the world... it has ancient animosity against Muslims and Islam... and secondly and more importantly in context of your concern... the National Front and BNP have been in existance for decades before anyone ever heard the name HuT in Britain...

I speak from experience that when confronted I actually used HuT arguments to shatter the EDL arguments in a public discussion... Actually the person who was supporting EDL became mute when certain facts were put to him in a frank straight forward manner... There is a reason why I would defend them despite them having Arab roots... we need to be careful when we accuse others of something due to our perception and emotions... the reality can be different...

Let me say that I work in Law and Order in the UK, and know full well on the inner workings of HuT.

The Ahmadies also say alot of good things in relations to portraying Islam, but when you look at their teachings you realise what blasphemy they believe in........that does not make them Muslim....

The british people living in the UK are very anti towards any change to their culture and way of life, so they will most definately not be happy of a few whack jobs running around insulting everything they believe in and berate their soldiers and country, whilst living in this country claiming benefits and paying taxes which ultimately goes to fight these Wars.......

The HuT are an addition to the already present hatred for Muslims, they have done nothing to help Muslims, just made our living a hell in the UK along with other similar groups........

The irish community felt this during their War with the British and now it is our turn, and instead of behaving like minorities where we could sweeten our relations without compromising our beliefs, you get HuT and others who just spit at the indiginous population here, no wonder they dont want us here.......

 

[Gazzi]

Yes and thats where the flaw of democracy lies... Leave it to the rich and powerful to bring in laws that suit them... just look at how the banks have been bailed across Europe and America with millions of poor people left jobless and poor...

As for other matters... anything and everything is used in Islam... This is why I think the comment of Jigs was actually insulting in a way... To his brainwashed AtaTurkist mindset, he thinks that desiring Islam would mean there would be no use of technology... whereas our reality is full of examples where Muslims developed technologies just to overcome obstacles... be them in government or warfare... two examples should suffice... The adoption of Divan system by Syedna Umar RA and the comissioning of the biggest cannons of their time by Fateh Sultan Mehmet...

The islamic system had been running for over a Millenia so critics can keep their own views to themselves, yes they have a difference in opinion, but their so called Democracies are no fool proof, and by the way, even if someone is voted into power, that still leaves a sizeable amount of people who didn't vote for the winning party out, which could also run in millions of voters, what about their candidates.......does it really mean that the majority wins, even though the losing party may also be in millions, WTF kind of way of life is that......."the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

 

[jayron]

Yes and thats where the flaw of democracy lies... Leave it to the rich and powerful to bring in laws that suit them... just look at how the banks have been bailed across Europe and America with millions of poor people left jobless and poor...

As for other matters... anything and everything is used in Islam... This is why I think the comment of Jigs was actually insulting in a way... To his brainwashed AtaTurkist mindset, he thinks that desiring Islam would mean there would be no use of technology... whereas our reality is full of examples where Muslims developed technologies just to overcome obstacles... be them in government or warfare... two examples should suffice... The adoption of Divan system by Syedna Umar RA and the comissioning of the biggest cannons of their time by Fateh Sultan Mehmet...

Are you sure you are talking about democracy? It is only in dictatorships and kingdoms like Saudi where the rich and powerful make rules. In democracies like US, even the smallest changes are decided based on public voting. Bailing out the banks was an economic decision and we cannot discuss it without knowing the technicalities. With all the problems an average westerner would lead a better life than some one under islamic law.

I agree that islam was once a lot tolerant and gave room for debates and changes when Europe was in the dark ages. But it is not true today.

 

[Jigs]

haha... Yes you are the only one... Perhaps others are smarter than you to know that Democracy is a much older and antiquated ruling system than the Caliphate and dates back to the 4 century B.C

Welcome to the modern times Jigs

LOL!!!!

Right because the democracy in the 4th century B.C. is Democracy now. That is the beauty of systems that are adaptive and changing they are not stuck in the 6th century.

 

[1 ummah]

one of the banners say: real change is Khilafah by nussrah through the pak army. not sure what do they mean by that?

the power is in hand of army,it is accordin to sunat that you ask people of power to protect their govenment i.e khilafat,that is how islamic state was created in madina wen the leader of a tribe saad,i gues converted to islam and gave nusra,(there is hadees saying,ALLAH smiled 4 saad),so if pak army says we will protect khilafat and stand against u.s and other threats,then he system can be implemented other wise it will fall b4 rise(God forbidn)