Youm-e-Shuhda 2013

[Kompromat]

Rafiqui Shaheed

Sq Ldr Muazzam ali khawar shaheed

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Salute to the men died to defend their home

 

[Jango]

I sent a letter to the editor but it didn't get posted!

 

[Last Hope]

I sent a letter to the editor but it didn't get posted!

Which paper/magazine? Mind sharing the latter?

 

[Jango]

Which paper/magazine? Mind sharing the latter?

Dawn...lets see until tomorrow, if it doesn't come then, I'll share it here.

 

[Bratva]

Did General Kiyani made any Bold statement today about elections?

 

[Last Hope]

Dawn...lets see until tomorrow, if it doesn't come then, I'll share it here.

It happened with me too. I shared a project with them for publicity and the next thing I knew was my idea was stolen and worked upon, infact most of my work was aired with slight changes.

Dawn was the only media-channel I used to like before this incident.

 

[muse]

Allah willing, General Elections would be held in the country on 11th of May.

All ah seems to have some time on his hands, and if the elections result in the coming to power of those close to TTP ideology - it will of course be the will of Allah?

The nefarious designs of our enemy, may it be internal or external, will never succeed and we shall eventually prevail. I can say this with complete confidence because I know that the blessings of Almighty Allah and prayers of the entire Nation are with us.

Allah is with us and the enemy, whose very humanity is suspect, well, someone other than Allah made them? Allah is on the side of the victor, of this we can be sure.


With this Allah business taken care, we can move on to substance:

[B

]the fact of the matter is that today it is Pakistan and its valiant people who are a target of this war and are suffering tremendously. I would like to ask all those who raise such questions that if a small faction wants to enforce its distorted ideology over the entire Nation by taking up arms and for this purpose defies the Constitution of Pakistan and the democratic process and considers all forms of bloodshed justified, then, does the fight against this enemy of the state constitute someone else's war? Even in the history of the best evolved democratic states, treason or seditious uprisings against the state have never been tolerated and in such struggles their armed forces have had unflinching support of the masses; questions about the ownership of such wars have never been raised.[/B]

Ok, this that mean that Pakistan armed Forces do not have "unflinching support of the masses" -- So why fight "your own countrymen" and real Muslims? Gen Kiyani seems not to understand, wars are not won by support of the masses but making the enemy dead.

We sincerely desire that all those who have strayed and have picked up arms against the Nation, return to the national fold

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The Duffer chief of the Duffer officer corp is now reduced to begging the enemy to allow it once again to run away so that it may fight another day - So much sacrifice only to once again run away to fight another day, so that it can do what it now knows best to do, to run away.

Message to the Duffer Kiyani: While you still can, make the enemy dead, end this insurrection on the terms f the Pakistani state, it may yet save your duffer officer corps.

 

[Jango]

No PR75/2013-ISPR Dated: May 2, 2013
Rawalpindi - May 2, 2013:
On the occasion of Yaum-e-Shuhada and to pay homage to supreme sacrifices of SHUHADA, Pakistan Post has issued three commemorative Postage Stamps of Rupees 8 each. The postage stamps carry pictures of Captain Karnal Sher Khan (Shaheed), Havildar Lalak Jan (Shaheed) recipient of Nishan-e-Haider and Naik Saif Ali Khan (Shaheed) recipient of Hilal-i-Kashmir (equivalent to Nishan-e-Haider).
It may be mentioned here that Yaum-e-Shuhada is celebrated on April 30 every year to pay rich tributes to the brave sons of soil who rendered their lives for the defense of the motherland.

 

[muse]

We sincerely desire that all those who have strayed and have picked up arms against the Nation, return to the national fold

These are the sad utterances of Gen. Kiyani - all will be forgiven, the deaths of more than 50,000 Pakistanis, the maiming of thousands more, all will be forgiven if only the Talib will accept the surrender of the so called Pakistan Army and return to the national fold - A courts martial of this incompetent general will be a good start, to be followed by the cleansing of the entire officer corp

 

[Jango]

Gen Kiyani seems not to understand, wars are not won by support of the masses but making the enemy dead.

This sort of war is won by support of the masses, not by just killing.

This isn't India we are talking about, this is a ideology that has to be fought by the Army, civilian government, you, me and all of the civil society.

 

[muse]

This sort of war is won by support of the masses, not by just killing.

This isn't India we are talking about, this is a ideology that has to be fought by the Army, civilian government, you, me and all of the civil society.

Rubbish - no war is won by "masses" as a matter of fact nothing is achieved by the slogan of masses except to deceive people . The ideology was unleashed by the army and while I very much agree that the ideology must be defeated, this eventuality must follow the death/defeat of the armed avant garde of the ideology.

All wars are won just one way, by killing the enemy in such numbers that resistance is not possible - please do not deceive yourself nor others, it's a disservice.

 

[Jango]

Rubbish - no war is won by "masses" as a matter of fact nothing is achieved by the slogan of masses except to deceive people . The ideology was unleashed by the army and while I very much agree that the ideology must be defeated, this eventuality must follow the death/defeat of the armed avant garde of the ideology.

All wars are won just one way, by killing the enemy in such numbers that resistance is not possible - please do not deceive yourself nor others, it's a disservice.

I agree with your killing part, but how much will you kill?

First, let's look at other insurgencies.

The LTTE case was not of religion, they were a select group of people after a separate state, they can be killed and work finished with. It was the case of a single person chasing his vision...

IRA is also different, so are others.

This insurgency is based on a religion which 98% of our people follow. The TTP are not driven by a single person unlike LTTE where a single person had his vision, the whole of TTP follows a ideology, if you kill one guy, another will prop up, kill another one, you have another leader ready to come. This cycle goes on, no matter how many you kill, another will always come.

Now why will they come? Because the ideology is still there, it is still being followed by millions, but the problem is that not all those millions are not Taliban, not all of them have guns with them, most of them are sort of law abiding citizens who live a normal life. You kill 50k TTP, 50k more will prop up if the ideology and thinking is still there.

Army kills a guy, another one from Lahore props up and joins TTP...now before his joining TTP, how do you deal with him? You can't kill him, the only way to stop it will be to create awareness through civilian government and civil society.

Unless you introduce a law that the guy with any sort of TTP ideology is to be killed, this issue will be persistent as you cannot kill every other guy on the street.

So unless you kill him before he has a gun, the only way to counter this ideology is by participation of civil society, media and civil government.

 

[muse]

I agree with your killing part, but how much will you kill?

First, let's look at other insurgencies.

The LTTE case was not of religion, they were a select group of people after a separate state, they can be killed and work finished with. It was the case of a single person chasing his vision...

IRA is also different, so are others.

This insurgency is based on a religion which 98% of our people follow. The TTP are not driven by a single person unlike LTTE where a single person had his vision, the whole of TTP follows a ideology, if you kill one guy, another will prop up, kill another one, you have another leader ready to come. This cycle goes on, no matter how many you kill, another will always come.

Now why will they come? Because the ideology is still there, it is still being followed by millions, but the problem is that not all those millions are not Taliban, not all of them have guns with them, most of them are sort of law abiding citizens who live a normal life. You kill 50k TTP, 50k more will prop up if the ideology and thinking is still there.

Army kills a guy, another one from Lahore props up and joins TTP...now before his joining TTP, how do you deal with him? You can't kill him, the only way to stop it will be to create awareness through civilian government and civil society.

Unless you introduce a law that the guy with any sort of TTP ideology is to be killed, this issue will be persistent as you cannot kill every other guy on the street.

So unless you kill him before he has a gun, the only way to counter this ideology is by participation of civil society, media and civil government.

Your post is an apology or the surrendering Army - you ask how many must be killed? I don't know where some Pakistanis lost their honor, because you should be focusing on those Pakistanis killed by the TTP, you should be focusing your anger on the fact that for all of OUR sacrifices, to create out of Pakistan, a nuclear power, it is a bunch of rag heads that hold us hostage, You should be asking, How is this possible?

You say, we can't kill enough of them - you are terribly mistaken - leaders do not just pop up, they have to be created, they have to be trained and positioned - please think about this issue in a reasonable manner and not as a apologist for the Islamist enemy, an please decide who is the enemy, are they foreign trained and funded or are they internally trained and funded and Pakistani phenomenon?? Don't be on all sides, because you will confuse yourself and others.

You sauy most supporters of the Islamist enemy are peaceful and law abiding? Have you lost your mind child?? How can one be an nurrectionist and be law abiding? How can one support insurrection and the murder of Pakistani citizens and be law abiding?

Please always think more and feel less.

 

[Jango]

Which paper/magazine? Mind sharing the latter?

Here's the letter

This is to highlight the pathetic response by media, especially electronic, on the occasion of Youm-e-Shuhada. There wan't even a mention of the sacrifices of Shuhada on TV channels. These people laid down their lives fighting for us and for their country and this is how we treat them? Without even mentioning them once in news bulletins while the Bollywood starts and their marriage or a new song gets 5 minutes on 3 o clock bulletins? Valentines day is given much more importance by the media than this occasion of Youm-e-Shuhada.

No nation can be successful in defeating an enemy unless it appreciates the sacrifices given by it's Army, civilian law enforcement and indeed people from all walks of life.

It is high time we start appreciating the sacrifices and give our soldiers something to feel proud of.