'You should consider our feelings': for Chinese students the state is an extension of family

[jhungary]

China never expects a quick reunion, we care more about making us wealthy and powerful, once we achieve that goal , all other things will come with it. We don't need a chaotic Taiwan now like the one you Indians have in Kashmir to divert our attention and slow down our development. Stability is everything for today's rising China.

It wouldn't happen that way.

The question is, how China can be number one, even if China surpass US in GDP, because that, still mean the Chinese GDP still have a gap with the Taiwanese one, and economic power alone will not get you to the top, in fact, if you think the road China is currently undergoing will lead China to the top then you are delusional, the current way Chinese is going is keep isolating its neighbour, sure, it's easy to buy African nation with money, US did that, Europe did that before hand, but it won't change the fact that they only have their interest at heart, and these African will simply smile at you when they take your money and run.

The US is number 1 not because of its economic might, but on the other hand, it subdue and avoid conflict to immediate neighbour, and mot importantly, did not antagonize the former number 1 (the British empire) in fact, it help out the Brits when they are in their direst need. Not by sending money and build road, but by standing side by side with the Brits and fight off the Nazi. I would not imagine China will in anyway do that to the US, that could only mean if China is coming to number 1, that is going to be a hostile take over. And US, by then will not let China get to that point that easy, and would basically just rally to fight Chinese off, and when you compare the US soft power to China? There are no contest.

Taiwan, on the other hand, for all intend and purposes, is a separate entity, call it whatever you may, but it is a separate entity regardless, they have their own foreign policy, their own armed force, their own rules and government. You can never recover Taiwan by force, no matter how long it takes for you, because, unless the Taiwanese want to see themselves as Chinese (mainland Chinese) willingly, you are not going to force them to become one of you, they will fight you for it, and it will be like how US fight the Vietcong, British fought the Mao Mao, French fought the Indochinese, and how US fought Iraqi insurgency, all of these ended in tears. You are talking about a national identity, unless you nuke Taiwan and kill everyone living there and move your own people in, they will never be Chinese unless they want to. It is that simple.

 

[beijingwalker]

It wouldn't happen that way.

The question is, how China can be number one, even if China surpass US in GDP, because that, still mean the Chinese GDP still have a gap with the Taiwanese one, and economic power alone will not get you to the top, in fact, if you think the road China is currently undergoing will lead China to the top then you are delusional, the current way Chinese is going is keep isolating its neighbour, sure, it's easy to buy African nation with money, US did that, Europe did that before hand, but it won't change the fact that they only have their interest at heart, and these African will simply smile at you when they take your money and run.

The US is number 1 not because of its economic might, but on the other hand, it subdue and avoid conflict to immediate neighbour, and mot importantly, did not antagonize the former number 1 (the British empire) in fact, it help out the Brits when they are in their direst need. Not by sending money and build road, but by standing side by side with the Brits and fight off the Nazi. I would not imagine China will in anyway do that to the US, that could only mean if China is coming to number 1, that is going to be a hostile take over. And US, by then will not let China get to that point that easy, and would basically just rally to fight Chinese off, and when you compare the US soft power to China? There are no contest.

Taiwan, on the other hand, for all intend and purposes, is a separate entity, call it whatever you may, but it is a separate entity regardless, they have their own foreign policy, their own armed force, their own rules and government. You can never recover Taiwan by force, no matter how long it takes for you, because, unless the Taiwanese want to see themselves as Chinese (mainland Chinese) willingly, you are not going to force them to become one of you, they will fight you for it, and it will be like how US fight the Vietcong, British fought the Mao Mao, French fought the Indochinese, and how US fought Iraqi insurgency, all of these ended in tears. You are talking about a national identity, unless you nuke Taiwan and kill everyone living there and move your own people in, they will never be Chinese unless they want to. It is that simple.

Don't try to convince me, try to convince the world. Different international polls show increasing number of people around the world hold a different view from yours and I said nothing for sure, you don't have to be this agitated , I only said let's wait and see.

 

[jhungary]

@Slav Defence @ahojunk @Horus @WebMaster @waz
Please check out this false flagger professional keep making up lies and pretended he know Chinese like accusing me of calling poster as my bitch and fuxk that nonsense without any proof to back his accusation just to stir it up(My post #19)
Does he has the authority to flame others as he please?
PS: he's just wanting revenge in anyway at me for exposing he's a "FALSE FLAGGER" claiming both "CHINESE NATIONALITY and USA as well, however "BOTH countries DOES NOT ALLOW DUAL NATIONALITY" has clearly exposed his shameless FALSE flagging status, WHY hes still allowed to continues his lowlife act as a "ANTI-CHINA Chinese" game?
After so many years witnessing his anti-Chinese behavior, does the management still believed he's a Chinese?
@Chinese-Dragon bro, please help to clarify have i said anything like calling that Indian poster "my bitch" or fcuk him in my post #19 as well since you're a Chinese and a HongKonger as well, thankyou

First of you, you forgot to spell SING with SINGH the first time you put the word in, which mean your meant that to be "Du-La Sing" and that is a foul word, again, it cannot translate to English as this is a Cantonese foul word, so I pick up the nearest translation. As I pointed out, the original word is

Du/Diu = Fu.k
La/Lar = That
Sing = Star

So, either you, yourself is a false flagger and do not know you swear on the native tongue you claim you were a part of, or you intentionally swear and try to cook up a bizzare story and say this is not a swear word.

And if you think there are no website and dictionary document Cantonese Foul Word, then you are more naïve than I thought. Especially in this day and age with internet chatting is very popular around the world.

There are number of site recoding Chinese foul word, it is not hard to find a third party reference, and you can of course call @Chinese-Dragon here, why not call another Hong Konger here @bbccdd1470?

for example, here

http://www.youswear.com/m/index.asp?language=Cantonese+

@waz @Slav Defence @The Eagle please take a note on this poster, this is not the first time he issue stealth profanity.

Plus, weren't you said you are going to disappear after I show you the picture how I got you banned?? LOL... Keep going bro, you are almost there, if my math serve me right, this will be your second strike.

Don't try to convince me, try to convince the world. Different international polls show increasing number of people around the world hold a different view from yours and I said nothing for sure, you don't have to be this agitated , I only said let's wait and see.

I am not trying to convince anyone, the issue is as they stand, I don't really care about Taiwan as I have no one I know living there at the moment, you can nuke Taiwan for all I care, it does not bother me.

Facts, however, remain, regardless of how you see them, how I see them, or how the world see them, as long as they see them and mainland Chinese are different, there are no way you can integrate them into China without a fight and it can either ended with you killed all native Taiwanese and move people in and occupied it, or you will have yourself a nasty insurgency when the insurgent is virtually cannot be separated from your own people culturally and physically.

As I said, you don't have to believe me, but I am not trying to sway you or anyone. Believe it or not, if of course, up to you.

 

[beijingwalker]

I am not trying to convince anyone, the issue is as they stand, I don't really care about Taiwan as I have no one I know living there at the moment, you can nuke Taiwan for all I care, it does not bother me.

Facts, however, remain, regardless of how you see them, how I see them, or how the world see them, as long as they see them and mainland Chinese are different, there are no way you can integrate them into China without a fight and it can either ended with you killed all native Taiwanese and move people in and occupied it, or you will have yourself a nasty insurgency when the insurgent is virtually cannot be separated from your own people culturally and physically.

As I said, you don't have to believe me, but I am not trying to sway you or anyone. Believe it or not, if of course, up to you.

We don't have to kill them, people from Taiwan made a great contribution for our development and will do more in the future.

Taiwan Is Suffering From a Massive Brain Drain and the Main Beneficiary is China
http://time.com/4906162/taiwan-brain-drain-youth-china-jobs-economy/

And can you change your flag back to US or the country where you are from, it's kind of weird seeing you bashing China under a Chinese flag.

Taiwan's economy should be first integrated into Mainland China's and then everything can naturally come with it and that is exactly what's happening now.

 

[jhungary]

We don't have to kill them, people from Taiwan made a great contribution for our development and will do more in the future.

Taiwan Is Suffering From a Massive Brain Drain and the Main Beneficiary is China
http://time.com/4906162/taiwan-brain-drain-youth-china-jobs-economy/

And can you change your flag back to US or the country where you are from, it's kind of weird seeing you bashing China under a Chinese flag.

Taiwan's economy should be first integrated into Mainland China's and then everything can naturally come with it and that is exactly what's happening now.

As I said, I don't really care about China or Taiwan in this question, it ain't my fight. And I don't see I bash China in anyway, I am just telling you the truth, you don't have to like it, you don't have too believe it, that's your problem.

There are massive brain drain anywhere, there are one from China to the US, so does that mean US will someday absorb China? You are talking about a national identity of a person, that is literally the few thing you cannot take away from a person by force or by coercion, if they think they are Taiwanese, they will fight you to the last man when you attack, if they think they are Mainland Chinese, then they will integrate into China. this have nothing to do with China being number 1 or how I anti-China or not, I did not swing or have an tendency to swing the Taiwanese people anywhere other than telling you what I think.

Also, when it come down to it, there are something called "Freedom of Speech" in this case, the situation happens in Newcastle University, so it is either in the UK or Australia, and over in Australia or UK, they have something called Freedom of Speech, you can make fun of Jesus, Allah, Buddah and say some unflattering things on anything, they have the right to do so, even if this hurt the feeling of some others. That does not mean they cannot express their own feeling just because it may offend someone. I was sitting next to a gay couple last night on a train when they done with the Yes Vote thing, they have the right to sit anywhere they want and express their love like other hetero couple, if you feel uncomfortable, you can move to the other car. IN this case, if the student are uncomfortable on the lecturer about his stance on Taiwan, they can move, drop out of the class or do anything to their liking, but they cannot ask the professor to change his mind, just because it offended them.

So in this sense this whole thread, in itself is Bullcrap, the lecturer should have told these student, you are not in China anymore, I can say what I want, if you don't like it, you are free to leave the classroom. As with other freedom of expression on speech, religion and belief.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Lying is in your blood, making up lies is your professional, disgusting behavior got busted again
How Dula Singh is cantonese profanity is simply beyond any real "HONGKONGERS" imagination LOL
Keep up with your lies, you will end up making a fool and losing your credibility day by day, loser

https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographies/sikh-political-figures/dula-singh
ANYMORE EXCUSES. Liar?
Oh, @bbccdd1470 brother, please help to exposed this FALSE FLAGGER liar that shamelessly claimed as a "CHINESE CITIZEN" and a "HONGKONGER" as well, thanks in advance

To be fair, since I had read his interviews on PDF and other posts that he had mentioned his profile, I believe he had been living in HK in the past and at least has HK citizenship. As about the "Chinese citizen", this is more accurate to say he is a "HK citizen" and he still needs Home Return Permit to visit China.
Not to mention, there are many foreigners that have HK Id since the HK law allows dual citizenship. so do i believe you are also from HK. You have to realize that we have many kinds of people, and his kind is not uncommon in HK. I will post few recent videos that the shows how divide HK people are and how anti-China some HK people can be:

 

[jhungary]

It's diu nia sing smart ***. My wife is Cantonese and I speak it with her too. . How do you even write lar. Sing/Xing (means star) is used by Cantonese people like an asterisk *, so they don't say out who they are screwing. Diu Nia Sing literally means Fck Yr Stars (*), like diu ni lou mou. Damn genius false flagger, might be a an Indian janitor working in HK and pretending to be Chinese!!


Diu lay lou mou? it's Diu Nei Lou Mou, only foreigners who can't pronounce Cantonese use the sound Lay.....gotcha.

lol, all I can say about this is, LOL..

Nia = Ne A, which mean 你 口牙, which mean your, Cantonese or Cantonese speaking people would use La or Lar, which is the same sound as 那, which mean that, sing is 星, basically, it mean nothing. But if you are actually a Cantonese, you would know the term is compatible to (掉)哪媽 (meaning fu.k your mother) basically because it was similar (The first 2 words are the same). Which bring the topic to this, Diu la sing in its pure form mean ****!!, but most would interlock or compatible with the other word (掉)哪媽 (I fu.k your mother) and in Hong Kong, Diu La Sing would become Fu.k That Mother.

Read this, if you understand Cantonese

http://evchk.wikia.com/wiki/廣東粗口五大字

「.那媽」、「.那星」－同上，例如明代名將袁崇煥的口頭禪「.那媽！頂硬上！」。

And in hong kong, people write both Diu Lay or Diu Lei (nobody ever use Nei, again N pronounce differently in Mandarin and Chinese. N pronounce in the way of 五, 吳 line, but in Mandarin, N sound pronounce the way of 湖. Example try to pronounce 五毫)

Your Wife is a Cantonese, you aren't, so I cannot see how credible you are. And as far as I can see it, you know the square root of jack shit in Cantonese. Let me give you a hint, I study High School and 2 years of college in Hong Kong, and you know what I study in CUHK? Chinese History.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Australians who genocided Aborigines are in no position to lecture China regarding Taiwan..let's have a legitimate discussion first on the destruction and genocide of indigenous population in the Americas,Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,Mexico...............Although I donot like the Chinese, I cannot stand an Anglo-Saxon country lecturing an Asian country regarding what's proper and what's not

 

[bbccdd1470]

The only different between me and people from Hong Kong is, I have hokou in China, yes, I do not have Mainland Chiense (red passport) but since my mother have a hokou, she added all my sibling name in her village before she died, that is sometime in the 1980s, and back then I had study 3 years junior high in Shenzhen, and back then you cannot enrol in Chinese School without a Hokou.

So, to most of these clown, I am more Chinese then they ever were. And again, as per my conversation with some other Chinese member here, I am not anti-China, I speak the truth, and I am anti-CCP, I know for a fact most Chinese see CCP = China, I don't, as I said, before, party come and go, but the country stay forever, over the last 150 years we see 3 change of hands of Chinese Government, form Qing Dynasty to Republic of China to PRC, who say CCP is going to be there forever, I don't tow the line for the sake of the party, that's because I think towing the line without your own stance is to do a disservice to Chinese people, people is the government, not CCP.

I don't honestly care why or how or what other people think, call me unpatriotic if you want, but unpatriotic is to China, not CCP, and since I am never a party member or of any association to CCP, I am fine with that.

You have both hokou and HK id at the same time, so do you need the Home Return Permit to enter China?

We HK people have many disagreement with the governing of CCP. But one thing that we must agree that CCP is improving, even it still has a lots of problems. "I think towing the line without your own stance is to do a disservice to Chinese people" I agree with that we have to criticize the unjust but what I see from HK today, lots of people are criticizing China not because they want any good for China, but anything but China. This is what I'm afraid of where people criticize China or CCP are not based on facts or on reasonable ground. What I mean people can be unpatriotic to China but if they are sincere that want China to be better and progress, then they are always welcome to criticize. On the other hand, if they have other insidious intentions, like belittle China with fake news or helping foreign powers to destabilize China, then they have to be stopped.

 

[The Eagle]

Members! (specifically, involved in off-topic discussion w.r.t. language issue)...

No matter what language you speak or know or use to but here on PDF, the rule is very straight, clear as well as easy to understand that use of profanity or any language other than English is not allowed. So, to make it further easy to understand, there are many words in different languages yet similar to each other but with different meanings, purpose or occasion to use though, all in all, we are not here to get into such never ending conversation while making forum uncomfortable for others at all.

Final words are, stop posting off-topic discussion as well as debating in any language other than English that there wouldn't be any further reminder and action will be taken accordingly.

Regards,

 

[jhungary]

Australians who genocided Aborigines are in no position to lecture China regarding Taiwan..let's have a legitimate discussion first on the destruction and genocide of indigenous population in the Americas,Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,Mexico...............Although I donot like the Chinese, I cannot stand an Anglo-Saxon country lecturing an Asian country regarding what's proper and what's not

lol, Australian genocide Abo?

Did you know the Abologinal History? Maybe you need to think about this for a moment before you open your mouth..

The reason why Aboriginal Population disappear in Australia is not because we have war with them, but rather we ask them (and sometime force them) to integrate into the Australian community.

Yes, disease and hostile contact do occur in Australia, but there were no war to kill off Aboriginal in Australia, in fact, many Australian today (White or Pacific Islander) have and can trace back to their Aboriginal Heritage. The aboriginal people want an apology from the Australian by forcing them to integrating into Anglo Saxon community, and the reason why the pure aboriginal population in Australia is so low is because they were forced to integrated not being killed, and only the tribe that too remote to integrate have held onto their aboriginal heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations

We never killed indigenous people like the Brits and Spanish and American did over in another continent

So, are you feeling stupid now??

You have both hokou and HK id at the same time, so do you need the Home Return Permit to enter China?

We HK people have many disagreement with the governing of CCP. But one thing that we must agree that CCP is improving, even it still has a lots of problems. "I think towing the line without your own stance is to do a disservice to Chinese people" I agree with that we have to criticize the unjust but what I see from HK today, lots of people are criticizing China not because they want any good for China, but anything but China. This is what I'm afraid of where people criticize China or CCP are not based on facts or on reasonable ground. What I mean people can be unpatriotic to China but if they are sincere that want China to be better and progress, then they are always welcome to criticize. On the other hand, if they have other insidious intentions, like belittle China with fake news or helping foreign powers to destabilize China, then they have to be stopped.

Actually, you may be amazed to find out I am actually against the 6-4 movement and the recent "Freedom" or Occupy movement in Hong Kong, I have actually registered my point on here some time ago, the problem is that there exist a large influence all over and that is not the right way to deal with the situation.

I am not pissed at Chinese government take over Hong Kong, in fact, I stayed after turn over, and hope for a better Hong Kong, but you need to understand, the reason I pissed at Chinese Government, and CCP is that they promise the old life is gone, the mark of Colonialism is gone, but in fact, what CCP doing is replacing the old boss with the new boss, just that the old boss is British and the new one is Chinese.

Nothing has change, or ever going to change for Hong Kong in the sense that the life is ACTUALLY EXACTLY THE SAME. I don't particularly want anything, independent, or revert back to British rule, in fact, people know me (some here know that) I hated the British. And the problem is, with the glooming future the CCP promise, none has come true, that, for me is unacceptable.

I know how people from both side of the river thinks. The problem is that for Hong Kong, people do not have a national identity to say they are either British or Chinese. The result is that, in the end, nobody cares. Not the British, and not the Chinese. People are saying when we are under British Control, we are a second class citizen, but did it ever occur to you that after we are under Chinese control, we still are second class citizens?

That is the reason I was pissed off with the CCP, not because I want Hong Kong to go independent or go back to British rule. I don't care about all those.

And no, even if you have hokou, you still need return home card to access the Chinese Border because I am not a Mainland Citizens. But I can stay as long as I can and I can access to hospital and school like a mainlander.

 

[gambit]

...stop posting off-topic discussion as well as debating in any language other than English that there wouldn't be any further reminder and action will be taken accordingly.

Regards,

Please...

I do not mean to be disrespectful towards the admin staff, but we all know the Chinese are exempt from that English language rule. Have been and always will be.

 

[The Eagle]

Please...

I do not mean to be disrespectful towards the admin staff, but we all know the Chinese are exempt from that English language rule. Have been and always will be.

There is nothing as such exemption for specific side though depends upon contexts. Use of any regional language for non-developing discussion with no results, will actually lead to as stated above. It has been advised, even for informative posts that an overview in English, a conclusion with necessary information is must to share for all the readers so in the end, if there is any, would like to see such matter reported as to be taken care accordingly.

Regards,

 

[AViet]

Taiwan is a separate country, is it too hard for the Chinese students to understand once they are out of thier country and seen how democracy works?

Democracy works great in many countries of the world, including India, Bangladesh, the Phillipines, Liberia, Somalia, the Central Africa, Madagascar, and around 40 LDC.

 

[beijingwalker]

World map forever changes with the rise and fall of the powers, nothing stays unchanged, I say let's wait and see.