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Yield of May 1998 Pakistani nuclear tests,a comparison

But you are disputing the claims,so you are as much liable to presenting evidence as someone else.

No, Sir. All I am asking is what evidence do you have to make the claims you are making. My comments remain correct. Without knowing the depths or the geology, no conclusions can be drawn about yield equivalencies.
 
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No, Sir. All I am asking is what evidence do you have to make the claims you are making. My comments remain correct. Without knowing the depths or the geology, no conclusions can be drawn about yield equivalencies.
No your comments dont remain correct.
Chaghi and Sahara are both desert areas,so Topography is similar. Size of Mountain looks similar. Tunnels in both cases is horizontal.
So the conditions of test are nearly identical. Its all in the video,which an ashamed of his origins ex-Pakistani cannot see.
 
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Chaghi and Sahara are both desert areas,so Topography is similar. Size of Mountain looks similar. Tunnels in both cases is horizontal.

Topography is on the surface. Geology goes much deeper than that. How have you determined the mountain height without a frame of reference? The tunnels can be sloped or even down a mine shaft. So the conclusion about the conditions of the test being identical cannot be robust at all given that there are too many assumptions being made without any data.
 
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So this video shows we can contain a nuclear blast- all we have to do is put a mountain on top- now whatcha you gona do indians- :lol:-
:D so do we have enough moutains in KPK & baluchistan to shelter 20 crore Pakistanis during a N. war? :D
 
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Topography is on the surface. Geology goes much deeper than that. How have you determined the mountain height without a frame of reference? The tunnels can be sloped or even down a mine shaft. So the conclusion about the conditions of the test being identical cannot be robust at all given that there are too many assumptions being made without any data.
Well it is not as seen in the video. The guy walking in the tunnel is not walking down a stair case.
 
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In 1998 when Pakistan detonated Nuclear devices,the claimed Yield was 36 Kilotons. But India and many other countries downplayed it and called it a "Fizzle not a bang" and claimed the actual Yield was a mere 6 Kilotons.
In this video we are comparing a 1962 French Nuclear test which was carried out in similar topography with Pakistani tests.
You will notice the similarities in the "Mountain shake" but Pakistani test kicks up more Debris than French test of 1st May 1962.
The French called it "Beryl" and declared Yield was 30Kt. By looking at the video,it can be deduced that since Pakistani test creates a "Bigger bang" it is an Indication that the Yield was greater than 30Kt or close to the claimed 36 Kilotons. Not 6 Kilotons as Indians claim.


What is this method of measuring the Kiloton output of the nuclear fission or fusion with youtube video called. Is it

1. Spectrosonarography,
or

2. videoanalysograhpy
or

3. youtubedumpoideology.
 
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What is this method of measuring the Kiloton output of the nuclear fission or fusion with youtube video called. Is it

1. Spectrosonarography,
or

2. videoanalysograhpy
or

3. youtubedumpoideology.
Just post a Video of Indian test and we can compare. Here we are doing a Visual comparison based on Video evidence and similarities in topography and the way the tests were conducted.
post a video and we can talk.
 
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Just post a Video of Indian test and we can compare. Here we are doing a Visual comparison based on Video evidence and similarities in topography and the way the tests were conducted.
post a video and we can talk.
Can you post for pakistani one
 
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Can you post for pakistani one
Its in the start of the thread? Cant you see?

Asking from an indian about pakistan is like asking someone about his ex cruel boss.

Indians are the extreme form of inferiority complex,just ignore them
Asking the same to many Pakistanis is exactly the same as evident from "Pakistani comments" in this thread
 
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Its in the start of the thread? Cant you see?
I can see but can't see its pakistani or either a real nuclear explosion for sure.

Who can prove that this type of poor quality video is the proof of nuclear explosion and not a fake video or special effect. Moral of the story stop discussing B.S. like Kids

Video is not the credible source, instead compare the seismic data from various credible sources.
 
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For anyone interested in comparing Topography of test sites shown in the video.
French test site of In-Eker, Algerian Sahara Google Maps
Pakistani test site of Ras Koh in Balochistan Desert Google Maps
 
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How can they release the Video Footage of their Phuss Bum....:lol:
Kid does video makes you feel good, my advice rely on the data obtain from the seismic reading and watch hollywood movie for such video.

Here is what Wikeleaks reports says

Technical Aspects of Pakistan's Nuclear Testing

All evidence points to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program being smaller and less
ambitious than that of India.Pakistan reportedly used a simple weapon design based
on enriched uranium, which is said to be a less sophisticated approach than one based
on plutonium, such as India uses.Abdul Qadeer Khan, the head of Pakistan's
nuclear program and the "father" of its atomic bomb, said, "None of these explosions
[of May 28 and 30] were thermonuclear ... We are doing research and can do a fusion
blast, if asked." There are few, if any, other references to a Pakistani fusion, or
hydrogen, bomb program, and the impl ication that Pakistan could detonate a
hydrogen bomb soon seems doubtful.In contrast, India has done considerable work
toward a weapon of that type, as discussed above under "Technical Aspects of India's
Nuclear Testing."Note that a smaller program may suffice to meet Pakistan's
perceived strategic need of deterringIndia, while India, which sees China as a
potential threat to be deterred, may require a larger program.

By all accounts, Pakistan's weapons program relies extensively on foreign
technology. According to one source:
China ... provided blueprints for the bomb, as well as highly enriched
uranium, tritium, scientists and key components for a nuclear weapons
production complex, among other crucial tools. Without China's help,
Pakistan's bomb would not exist, said Gary Milhollin, a leading expert on
the spread of nuclear weapons. ...
Pakistan had obtained the plans from the Chinese Government in the
early 1980's.The bomb was simple and efficient, based on highly enriched
uranium, and it had been tested by the Chinese in 1966. United States
Government physicists built a model of the bomb and reported that it was
a virtually foolproof design. On May 28, 1998, Pakistan announced that it had conducted five underground
nuclear tests; it announced a sixth test on May 30.Yield estimates of the tests varied
widely.A.Q. Khan reportedly said one of the tests of May 28 had a yield of 30 to 35
kilotons, about twice that of the Hiroshima bomb. Samar Mobarik Mand, said to
be "the scientist who conducted Pakistan's nuclear test programme,"reportedly placed
the yield of the May 28 tests at 40 to 45 kilotons, and that of the May 30 test at 15
to 18 kilotons.

On the other hand, estimates based on seismic data placed the yield
of the May 28 tests at between eight and 15 kilotons.

U.S. officials reportedly "estimated the cumulative force of the Pakistani blast or blasts [of May 28] at between
2 kilotons and 12 kilotons, and most likely 6 kilotons ..." For the May 30 test, some
reports placed the yield between 12 and 18 kilotons, but the CIA was said to have
estimated the yield at between one and five kilotons. Seismic data indicated a yield
of between zero (no detectable signal) and one kiloton.

A later analysis by seismologist Terry Wallace placed the yield of the May 28 explosion (or explosions)
at 9 to 12 kt, and that of the May 30 explosion at 4 to 6 kt.

While Pakistani statements and seismic data agree that there was only one test
on May 30, the number held on May 28 is disputed. In early reports of May 28,
Pakistan claimed two or three tests. a number it quickly revised to five. U.S.
analysts questioned the higher number. "Instead of five, 'it appears at least two'
bombs were tested, said one U.S. intelligenceofficial..." Similarly, the New York
Times reported that "American intelligence officials said Pakistan had probably tested
only two weapons rather than the five announced."Wallace found seismic signals
that could correspond to two explosions, but discounts the plausibility of the second
one. Because the yield appearslower than announced, it is unclear if the devices
performed as intended. According to a press report, U.S. officials said that the
estimated yield of the Pakistani test or tests of May 28, put by that report at most
likely six kilotons, "isless than what U.S. intelligence experts had estimated as the
likely yield of even one of the principal bombs in Pakistan's arsenal, raising questions
about whether the device or devices exploded by Pakistan had performed as
expected." On the other hand, as noted above, the Chinese design is thought to be
"nearly foolproof." There are indications that the tests were of actual weapons, as distinct from test
devices.A.Q. Khan "described the devices tested as 'ready-to-fire warheads' that had
been miniaturized so they could fit onto Ghauri missiles..." He also indicated that
four of the five tests of May 28 were of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.According to a press report, "Intelligence analysts believe a goal of the test [on May30] was to devise a bomb small enough to fit on a missile.Pakistan is believed to be close to that difficult goal.
 
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Kid does video makes you feel good, my advice rely on the data obtain from the seismic reading and watch hollywood movie for such video.

Here is what Wikeleaks reports says

Technical Aspects of Pakistan's Nuclear Testing

All evidence points to Pakistan's nuclear weapons program being smaller and less
ambitious than that of India.Pakistan reportedly used a simple weapon design based
on enriched uranium, which is said to be a less sophisticated approach than one based
on plutonium, such as India uses.Abdul Qadeer Khan, the head of Pakistan's
nuclear program and the "father" of its atomic bomb, said, "None of these explosions
[of May 28 and 30] were thermonuclear ... We are doing research and can do a fusion
blast, if asked." There are few, if any, other references to a Pakistani fusion, or
hydrogen, bomb program, and the impl ication that Pakistan could detonate a
hydrogen bomb soon seems doubtful.In contrast, India has done considerable work
toward a weapon of that type, as discussed above under "Technical Aspects of India's
Nuclear Testing."Note that a smaller program may suffice to meet Pakistan's
perceived strategic need of deterringIndia, while India, which sees China as a
potential threat to be deterred, may require a larger program.

By all accounts, Pakistan's weapons program relies extensively on foreign
technology. According to one source:
China ... provided blueprints for the bomb, as well as highly enriched
uranium, tritium, scientists and key components for a nuclear weapons
production complex, among other crucial tools. Without China's help,
Pakistan's bomb would not exist, said Gary Milhollin, a leading expert on
the spread of nuclear weapons. ...
Pakistan had obtained the plans from the Chinese Government in the
early 1980's.The bomb was simple and efficient, based on highly enriched
uranium, and it had been tested by the Chinese in 1966. United States
Government physicists built a model of the bomb and reported that it was
a virtually foolproof design. On May 28, 1998, Pakistan announced that it had conducted five underground
nuclear tests; it announced a sixth test on May 30.Yield estimates of the tests varied
widely.A.Q. Khan reportedly said one of the tests of May 28 had a yield of 30 to 35
kilotons, about twice that of the Hiroshima bomb. Samar Mobarik Mand, said to
be "the scientist who conducted Pakistan's nuclear test programme,"reportedly placed
the yield of the May 28 tests at 40 to 45 kilotons, and that of the May 30 test at 15
to 18 kilotons.

On the other hand, estimates based on seismic data placed the yield
of the May 28 tests at between eight and 15 kilotons.

U.S. officials reportedly "estimated the cumulative force of the Pakistani blast or blasts [of May 28] at between
2 kilotons and 12 kilotons, and most likely 6 kilotons ..." For the May 30 test, some
reports placed the yield between 12 and 18 kilotons, but the CIA was said to have
estimated the yield at between one and five kilotons. Seismic data indicated a yield
of between zero (no detectable signal) and one kiloton.

A later analysis by seismologist Terry Wallace placed the yield of the May 28 explosion (or explosions)
at 9 to 12 kt, and that of the May 30 explosion at 4 to 6 kt.

While Pakistani statements and seismic data agree that there was only one test
on May 30, the number held on May 28 is disputed. In early reports of May 28,
Pakistan claimed two or three tests. a number it quickly revised to five. U.S.
analysts questioned the higher number. "Instead of five, 'it appears at least two'
bombs were tested, said one U.S. intelligenceofficial..." Similarly, the New York
Times reported that "American intelligence officials said Pakistan had probably tested
only two weapons rather than the five announced."Wallace found seismic signals
that could correspond to two explosions, but discounts the plausibility of the second
one. Because the yield appearslower than announced, it is unclear if the devices
performed as intended. According to a press report, U.S. officials said that the
estimated yield of the Pakistani test or tests of May 28, put by that report at most
likely six kilotons, "isless than what U.S. intelligence experts had estimated as the
likely yield of even one of the principal bombs in Pakistan's arsenal, raising questions
about whether the device or devices exploded by Pakistan had performed as
expected." On the other hand, as noted above, the Chinese design is thought to be
"nearly foolproof." There are indications that the tests were of actual weapons, as distinct from test
devices.A.Q. Khan "described the devices tested as 'ready-to-fire warheads' that had
been miniaturized so they could fit onto Ghauri missiles..." He also indicated that
four of the five tests of May 28 were of low-yield tactical nuclear weapons.According to a press report, "Intelligence analysts believe a goal of the test [on May30] was to devise a bomb small enough to fit on a missile.Pakistan is believed to be close to that difficult goal.
Wikileak is just that "A leak'
If you take a leak,you dont take it too serious do you?
:lol:
 
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Such argument is more valid in flat surface tests. In under a mountain test,the tunnels are normally horizontal,as shown in the video and as also in Pakistani test site's case. Plus visually the size of the mountain looks similar.
I shall explain your own logic to you in simple language, tell me if it makes sense...
Video A has triangular shaped mountain, with nuclear bomb detonated in tunnels
Video B also has triangular shaped mountain, with nuclear bomb detonated in tunnels
It is confirmed that Video A's bomb had a yield of 30Kt; now as video A and B's mountain 'appear' to be of the same shape and height, and video B has more dust flying and shaking, you conclude that video B's bomb has a yield of 30Kt or more.

I would suggest, that you study a little logic, critical reasoning, logical thinking. If you wish I can suggest you some books for the same.
And please, at least try to understand more sensible views like these:
Only if the depth of the devices is the same and the overlying geology is similar.
 
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