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This is a must read.

On this Pakistan is united: the men who killed 132 children in a Peshawar school are terrorists. On this too Pakistan is – temporarily – united: terrorism must be defeated. After that the trouble begins. With something as seemingly innocuous as who, exactly, is a terrorist. Pakistanis can’t seem to agree.

Neither can the media. A day after the Peshawar carnage, after the Pakistan army had announced that the slaughter in the school had been operationally coordinated by Afghan-based Pakistani militants, an outraged analyst on local TV asked what the world’s response would have been had India been attacked by militants from Pakistan.

India, the analyst claimed indignantly, would be contemplating bombing Pakistan and the Indian army would already have been mobilised on the Pak-India border. The world at large, the analyst continued, would have pounced on Pakistan for its terrible behaviour. But, the analyst lamented, because Pakistan is weak, it could do no more than send its army chief to Afghanistan and politely seek the Afghan government’s cooperation.

For many in Pakistan, the analyst’s anger would have resonated. His fulminations against the international community’s perceived discrimination against Pakistan would have garnered much sympathy. To much of the outside world, the analyst’s comparison would have triggered incredulity.

For exactly that scenario – Pakistanis slipping into India to mercilessly kill civilians in a major city – had infamously already occurred. In Mumbai. In 2008. Had the TV analyst simply forgotten? Surely not.

But there the analyst was, on one of Pakistan’s most popular news channels, suggesting that the world does not share Pakistan’s pain. Unsaid, though not uncommunicated, was a darker theory: Pakistan is a victim of an international conspiracy, an innocent victim of geopolitics, alone and vulnerable in a Hobbesian world full of militant proxies.

Ultimately, Pakistan’s problem with militancy is not denial. It is not even ignorance. It is something quite different. Simply, it is the widespread belief that militants fighting the Indian state, militants fighting to free “Indian-held Kashmir”, militants fighting the Afghan government and militants fighting to “free” Afghanistan are not militants. They are the good guys. The righteous ones brave enough to take on the world in the name of the one true God.

The problem was never denial. The problem is the paradigm. The Afghan Taliban are not militants. Lashkar-e-Taiba – LeT –are not terrorists. And, even more insidiously, there are those within Pakistan who do not believe that Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan is in the wrong.

Instead, the belief is that the Pakistani state itself is on the wrong path. A democratic path. A path that keeps it in thrall to American, godless, anti-Islam interests. A path that takes Pakistan far from that of the religion in the name of which it was ostensibly created.

That’s really why it’s possible for Pakistan to stun the outside world – two days after the horror of Peshawar – by granting bail to one of the alleged architects of the Mumbai attack, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi of the officially banned LeT. That’s why it’s possible for Pakistan to confound the world by rejecting global sympathy over the Peshawar attack and embracing LeT instead.

The Lakhvi bail is not a surprise. In truth, it is the inexorable outcome of recent events in Pakistan. Consider just what happened in Lahore, the provincial capital of Punjab and the heart of political power in Pakistan, on 4 December.

Imran Khan, the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), had been trying to oust the government of Nawaz Sharif via street protests since August, and threatened to shut down Lahore that day. But within hours of Khan’s announcement on 30 November, the PTI appeared to realise it had made a mistake: the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a hardline Islamist organisation, was holding its annual congress in Lahore on 4 and 5 December. And so the PTI quickly postponed its protest.

Pause on that for a moment. The business of toppling a national, elected government had to take a back seat to the annual Lahore pilgrimage of Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Jamaat-ud-Dawa. It was perhaps inevitable. With the Narendra Modi government in India taking a hawkish line on Pakistan, pro-Kashmir, anti-India jihadis in Pakistan were always going to take centre stage.

There is though at least one thing that Pakistan remains wilfully blind to. Every single one of the militant groups fighting the Pakistani state today was once at some point in recent history considered to be a good militant/good taliban. Just like Hafiz Saeed is today.

Yes, Pakistanis are united against terrorism. But not on terrorists | Cyril Almeida | Comment is free | theguardian.com
 
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The dilemma of our neighbor. How do they define good and bad or denounce it all together will decide their fate.
 
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This is a must read.

On this Pakistan is united: the men who killed 132 children in a Peshawar school are terrorists. On this too Pakistan is – temporarily – united: terrorism must be defeated. After that the trouble begins. With something as seemingly innocuous as who, exactly, is a terrorist. Pakistanis can’t seem to agree.

Neither can the media. A day after the Peshawar carnage, after the Pakistan army had announced that the slaughter in the school had been operationally coordinated by Afghan-based Pakistani militants, an outraged analyst on local TV asked what the world’s response would have been had India been attacked by militants from Pakistan.

India, the analyst claimed indignantly, would be contemplating bombing Pakistan and the Indian army would already have been mobilised on the Pak-India border. The world at large, the analyst continued, would have pounced on Pakistan for its terrible behaviour. But, the analyst lamented, because Pakistan is weak, it could do no more than send its army chief to Afghanistan and politely seek the Afghan government’s cooperation.

For many in Pakistan, the analyst’s anger would have resonated. His fulminations against the international community’s perceived discrimination against Pakistan would have garnered much sympathy. To much of the outside world, the analyst’s comparison would have triggered incredulity.

For exactly that scenario – Pakistanis slipping into India to mercilessly kill civilians in a major city – had infamously already occurred. In Mumbai. In 2008. Had the TV analyst simply forgotten? Surely not.

But there the analyst was, on one of Pakistan’s most popular news channels, suggesting that the world does not share Pakistan’s pain. Unsaid, though not uncommunicated, was a darker theory: Pakistan is a victim of an international conspiracy, an innocent victim of geopolitics, alone and vulnerable in a Hobbesian world full of militant proxies.

Ultimately, Pakistan’s problem with militancy is not denial. It is not even ignorance. It is something quite different. Simply, it is the widespread belief that militants fighting the Indian state, militants fighting to free “Indian-held Kashmir”, militants fighting the Afghan government and militants fighting to “free” Afghanistan are not militants. They are the good guys. The righteous ones brave enough to take on the world in the name of the one true God.

The problem was never denial. The problem is the paradigm. The Afghan Taliban are not militants. Lashkar-e-Taiba – LeT –are not terrorists. And, even more insidiously, there are those within Pakistan who do not believe that Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan is in the wrong.

Instead, the belief is that the Pakistani state itself is on the wrong path. A democratic path. A path that keeps it in thrall to American, godless, anti-Islam interests. A path that takes Pakistan far from that of the religion in the name of which it was ostensibly created.

That’s really why it’s possible for Pakistan to stun the outside world – two days after the horror of Peshawar – by granting bail to one of the alleged architects of the Mumbai attack, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi of the officially banned LeT. That’s why it’s possible for Pakistan to confound the world by rejecting global sympathy over the Peshawar attack and embracing LeT instead.

The Lakhvi bail is not a surprise. In truth, it is the inexorable outcome of recent events in Pakistan. Consider just what happened in Lahore, the provincial capital of Punjab and the heart of political power in Pakistan, on 4 December.

Imran Khan, the leader of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), had been trying to oust the government of Nawaz Sharif via street protests since August, and threatened to shut down Lahore that day. But within hours of Khan’s announcement on 30 November, the PTI appeared to realise it had made a mistake: the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, a hardline Islamist organisation, was holding its annual congress in Lahore on 4 and 5 December. And so the PTI quickly postponed its protest.

Pause on that for a moment. The business of toppling a national, elected government had to take a back seat to the annual Lahore pilgrimage of Hafiz Saeed, the chief of Jamaat-ud-Dawa. It was perhaps inevitable. With the Narendra Modi government in India taking a hawkish line on Pakistan, pro-Kashmir, anti-India jihadis in Pakistan were always going to take centre stage.

There is though at least one thing that Pakistan remains wilfully blind to. Every single one of the militant groups fighting the Pakistani state today was once at some point in recent history considered to be a good militant/good taliban. Just like Hafiz Saeed is today.

Yes, Pakistanis are united against terrorism. But not on terrorists | Cyril Almeida | Comment is free | theguardian.com
Another piece of crab by liberal puppets of west we are clear we are not going to touch any one just to please India or USA and there wet dreams
 
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Another piece of crab by liberal puppets of west we are clear we are not going to touch any one just to please India or USA and there wet dreams
Dont touch them now and see its result after a decade ..but its expected from you but our duty is to warn you ..every passing day terrorist sympathisers are cornered so take care of yourself ...
 
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Another piece of crab by liberal puppets of west we are clear we are not going to touch any one just to please India or USA and there wet dreams

Never mind...as i mentioned in my earlier post...Good Luck to you...Anyway, India will find its way out to fight out the Islamic jihadist in my nation...But you will slowly pay the price for entertaining these jihadist elements in your society as your heros or saviours...
 
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Another piece of crab by liberal puppets of west we are clear we are not going to touch any one just to please India or USA and there wet dreams

That is very obvious, your Islamo-fascist kind is pretty unevolved to survive.

Had you the common sense to eliminate all terrorist in the first place, you wouldn't be having your children ripped to shreds by these 6th century cave dwelling yahoos!!
 
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Hi,

Pakistanis are where they are is due to the media and the politicians. Since 9/11---pakistanis have chosen to listen to the lies--the media has chosen to tell them lies---the politicians have instigated them and corrupted them to accept lies and the public has obliged as such.

The media did it to get the ratings and show the rulers how strong they were---the politicians did it get into power---.

The thing with Pakistan is that it has no history and character----. It has nothing to fall back on---all it has is stories of 1400 years ago----the problem is with the identity---who they are---what they are---where they are---.

Pakistanis simply don't understand the concept of nationhood---they don't know what it takes to have a nation---they don't know what it takes to own a nation----right now they are like a herd of sheep----one jumps into the well---the rest follow---.
 
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Hi,

Pakistanis are where they are is due to the media and the politicians. Since 9/11---pakistanis have chosen to listen to the lies--the media has chosen to tell them lies---the politicians have instigated them and corrupted them to accept lies and the public has obliged as such.

The media did it to get the ratings and show the rulers how strong they were---the politicians did it get into power---.

The thing with Pakistan is that it has no history and character----. It has nothing to fall back on---all it has is stories of 1400 years ago----the problem is with the identity---who they are---what they are---where they are---.

Pakistanis simply don't understand the concept of nationhood---they don't know what it takes to have a nation---they don't know what it takes to own a nation----right now they are like a herd of sheep----one jumps into the well---the rest follow---.
Sir
So according to you they are falling back to 1400 years leaving a vaccum in between ..what is remedy ? They tried to look forward with a religious bridge towards arab with hope of green pasture ..A giant leap leaving thousands years of history and civilisation towards once alien philosophy
But now when they already traversed half path it their destined land does not look greener ..what should they do ?
It would have been good if they contributed towards Islam evolving it more sophisticated according to time like some other countries (indonasia malasia turkey iran to some extent) ..There has to be a solution ..whats it according to you ??
 
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Sir
So according to you they are falling back to 1400 years leaving a vaccum in between ..what is remedy ? They tried to look forward with a religious bridge towards arab with hope of green pasture ..A giant leap leaving thousands years of history and civilisation towards once alien philosophy
But now when they already traversed half path it their destined land does not look greener ..what should they do ?
It would have been good if they contributed towards Islam evolving it more sophisticated according to time like some other countries (indonasia malasia turkey iran to some extent) ..There has to be a solution ..whats it according to you ??

Hi,

The state needs to take back the mosques and madrassahs from the Mullah---mosques only for prayer and no political sermons---and madrassahs switched over too full standard education.

A state of emergency---like the one Indira Gandhi enforced--that is what is needed----.

ORDER needs to be restored in the streets of Pakistan---that is the first and foremost item on the agenda----unless there is order in the streets---there cannot be any enforcement of LAW---.

The thing is that all the pakistanis know what the problems are---but there is nobody to guide them with confidence to what the solutions are and someone to show them the direction---.

The things is that the people are willing to change---if they see justice and equality---. You give them justice----and they will dance to your tunes---. That is all it takes----not 5 times prayers---not haj---not zakat---not fastings---not faith---but ony and only insaaf ( justice ).
 
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Another piece of crab by liberal puppets of west we are clear we are not going to touch any one just to please India or USA and there wet dreams
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please put pints where you disagree and why with prrof..
calling other crap wihout understnaidnd is one side of terrorisam like my version is only true version without giving support argument with prrof
 
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Hi,

The state needs to take back the mosques and madrassahs from the Mullah---mosques only for prayer and no political sermons---and madrassahs switched over too full standard education.

A state of emergency---like the one Indira Gandhi enforced--that is what is needed----.

ORDER needs to be restored in the streets of Pakistan---that is the first and foremost item on the agenda----unless there is order in the streets---there cannot be any enforcement of LAW---.

The thing is that all the pakistanis know what the problems are---but there is nobody to guide them with confidence to what the solutions are and someone to show them the direction---.

The things is that the people are willing to change---if they see justice and equality---. You give them justice----and they will dance to your tunes---. That is all it takes----not 5 times prayers---not haj---not zakat---not fastings---not faith---but ony and only insaaf ( justice ).
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Madarsa...
is terrorist only come from madarsa..
is madarsa synnonymus with terrorisam.. i think all not..
the way PAK establishment changes history with false imperative and wrong hisotry notion ..
Madrassa is part of problem but not only problem
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Emegrcy ..
this is the worst thing for pak..
what you will achive in emegecy.. it can improve efficiency in govt and reduce corruption ..
but will it solve extremism... ?

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Problem
all pakistani know all problem
how many spell in right chronology and priority ...
how many politcian said openly go taliban go.. ?

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The things is that the people are willing to change---if they see justice and equality..
best thing to do..
but problem start from constition of pakistan where same right ti denied being human and mulsim .. so how you expect justice to work.. when your best book shows revers
 
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Hi,

Pakistanis are where they are is due to the media and the politicians. Since 9/11---pakistanis have chosen to listen to the lies--the media has chosen to tell them lies---the politicians have instigated them and corrupted them to accept lies and the public has obliged as such.

The media did it to get the ratings and show the rulers how strong they were---the politicians did it get into power---.

The thing with Pakistan is that it has no history and character----. It has nothing to fall back on---all it has is stories of 1400 years ago----the problem is with the identity---who they are---what they are---where they are---.

Pakistanis simply don't understand the concept of nationhood---they don't know what it takes to have a nation---they don't know what it takes to own a nation----right now they are like a herd of sheep----one jumps into the well---the rest follow---.
exactly! thats why these clowns like cyril almedia show up as well.
 
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It wasn’t the final atrocity

THE gut-wrenching massacre in Peshawar’s Army Public School has left Pakistan aghast and sickened. All political leaders have called for unity against terrorism. But this is no watershed event that can bridge the deep divides within. In another few days this episode of 134 dead children will become one like any other.

All tragedies provoke emotional exhortations. But nothing changed after Lakki Marwat when 105 spectators of a volleyball match were killed by a suicide bomber in a pickup truck. Or, when 96 Hazaras in a snooker club died in a double suicide attack. The 127 dead in the All Saints Church bombing in Peshawar, or the 90 Ahmadis killed while in prayer, are now dry statistics. In 2012, men in military uniforms stopped four buses bound from Rawalpindi to Gilgit, demanding that all 117 persons alight and show their national identification cards. Those with typical Shia names, like Abbas and Jafri, were separated. Minutes later corpses lay on the ground.

If Pakistan had a collective conscience, just one single fact could have woken it up: the murder of nearly 60 polio workers — women and men who work to save children from a crippling disease — at the hands of the fanatics.

Hence the horrible inevitability: from time to time, Pakistan shall continue to witness more such catastrophes. No security measures can ever prevent attacks on soft targets. The only possible solution is to change mindsets. For this we must grapple with three hard facts.

First, let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders or infidels. Instead, they are fighting a war for the reason Boko Haram fights in Nigeria, IS in Iraq and Syria, Al Shabab in Kenya, etc. The men who slaughtered our children are fighting for a dream — to destroy Pakistan as a Muslim state and recreate it as an Islamic state. This is why they also attack airports and shoot at PIA planes. They see these as necessary steps towards their utopia.

Let’s openly admit that the killers are not outsiders or infidels.
No one should speculate about the identity of the killers. Taliban spokesman Muhammad Umar Khorasani released pictures of the eight ‘martyrs’, justifying the killing of minors with reference to Hadith (a horrific perversion, of course). Dizzied by religious passions, the men roamed the school searching for children hiding under desks and shouted “Allah-o-Akbar” before opening fire. Shot in both legs, Shahrukh Khan, 16, says he survived by playing dead. Another surviving student, Aamir Ali, says that two clean-shaven gunmen told students to recite the kalima before shooting them multiple times.

Second, Pakistan must scorn and punish those who either support terrorism publicly or lie to us about the identity of terrorists. Television anchors and political personalities have made their fortunes and careers by fabricating wild theories. For example, retired Gen Hamid Gul and his son Abdullah Gul have adamantly insisted multiple times on TV that suicide attackers were not circumcised and hence not Muslim. Though body parts are plentifully available for inspection these days, they have not retracted earlier claims.

Those on the state’s payroll that encourage violence against the state must be dismissed. Maulana Abdul Aziz of Islamabad’s Lal Masjid — a government mosque — led an insurrection in 2007 against the Pakistani state. He flatly refuses to condemn the Peshawar massacre. Other state employees have called upon all to not pray for army soldiers killed in action. At another level is Jamaatud Dawa’s supremo, Hafiz Saeed. He blames India for the Peshawar massacre and, ignoring ironclad evidence, misguides Pakistanis about the identity of the enemy.

Among political leaders, none is more blameworthy than Imran Khan, the icon of millions of immature minds. He has never named the Taliban as terrorists even when they claimed responsibility for various atrocities. That the TTP may be involved in the Peshawar massacre is the first exception, but this is contained only in a tweet. For a man who uses the strongest language against political opponents and has hogged TV channels for months, he has yet to condemn TTP before a national audience. Why the reticence?

It was even worse earlier. In 2009, as the Taliban took over Swat, on Hamid Mir’s Capital Talk he claimed that the Swat Taliban were fighting a war of liberation against the Americans. When I asked why they were fighting in Pakistan and killing our policemen and soldiers, he accused me of being an American agent and then, later, attempted to physically attack me. Readers can google this video.

Third, if Pakistan is to be at peace with itself then it must seek peace with its neighbours and begin disassembling the apparatus of jihad. The bitter truth is that you reap what you sow. Today, massive militant establishments hold the Pakistani state hostage. They run their own training centres, hospitals, and disaster relief programmes. When Sartaj Aziz, adviser to the prime minister on foreign affairs, said that Pakistan was not going to target militant groups which “did not pose a threat to the state”, he accidentally spilled the beans. In fact he was merely restating Pakistan’s well-known zero-sum paradigm — we live to hurt others, not to better ourselves.

While bewailing the murder of our children, let us acknowledge that Pakistan’s soil has been used time and again for inflicting grief and sorrow across the world. Today it is not just India and Afghanistan who accuse us, but also China and Iran.

By launching Zarb-i-Azb, Gen Raheel Sharif has broken with his timid predecessor, Gen Kayani. North Waziristan should never have become the epicentre of terrorism. He has done well to meet President Ashraf Ghani in Kabul and demand the extradition of TTP’s Mullah Fazlullah, now ensconced on the Afghan side. But what of Mullah Omar? The Pakistani Taliban and the Afghan Taliban are two sides of the same coin. I wonder if President Ghani asked General Sharif to help extradite Mullah Omar for facing justice before the Afghan people.

The author teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn December 20th , 2014
 
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Every Action should be taken according to law if a person commits a crime he should be punished,jailed,Investigated and followed by judicial process based on his/her crime, you cannot hang or kill every one just becoz india says so :hitwall:
 
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