Yechury says yoga is 'dog's body movement', Twitter users lash out

[Soumitra]

the idea is to get every citizen to participate in the political running of society and have the whole system as decentralized semi-independent communes.

each neighborhood in a city calls its residents to a ground or hall and elects a secretariat... this is done with each resident participating and voicing opinion... the secretariat will then be responsible for maintainence of the neighborhood ( security, lighting etc ), for getting and discussing local needs with the city administration, for discussing local and societal issues with local residents and delivering opinions and decisions of local residents to city administration or higher... the local residents confer in a truly democratic manner, with disregard for age, gender, profession or other attributes... this gathering at neighborhood-level becomes called "basic people's congress".

if a city has ten neighborhoods, there will then be ten "basic people's congress" ( bpc ) gatherings with their own secretariats.

the secretariats of each bpc will gather to discuss local and city issues at city level... each secretariat will be delivering the opinions of their bpc's and the needs of their bpc's and how city resources can be allocated to each bpc in a clean manner... and to help make discussions smoother and to help get resources from higher level and to deliver the city's opinions to higher level, the gathered bpc secretariats will elect a secretariat for the city, and this secretariat can be from among them or from some neighborhood or any other person who is deemed suitable... the city-level gathering will become called "municipal people's congress" ( mpc ).

for easier administration of a larger society, some cities can be gathered together into a region and the city secretariats will gather in "regional people's congress" ( rpc )... this can avoided for a small-population society.

either the mpc or the rpc, the relevant secretariats gather at societal level in the "general people's congress" which takes decisions at societal level and to discuss world issues and how to participate in them... to help smoother discussions, the gather secretariats at this top level elect a "general secretariat"... the gathering becomes called "general people's congress" ( gpc )

in all this, each citizen's novel opinions are delivered from the bpc through a chain until it reaches the gpc, each decision by a bpc is delivered until it reaches the gpc... this makes each citizen of the society a politician and a decision maker and opiner... direct-democracy.

done within the guidance of socialism, this will yield and simplest and almost-perfect society... this entire system is called "jamahiriya" and if all societies human-wide are so changed, it will lead to "world jamahiriya"... this plus some more scientific changes will lead to true communism... a vision worth changing one's life for and working towards it.

i suggest you put a diagram for the bpc, mpc, rpc, gpc to understand them more easily.

for more ( The Green Book - I ).

"aam aadmi party" has a similar but smaller-scale idea in form of "swaraj".

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@hinduguy ( you may have seen this before ).

Another Utopia. It may work for a small country but for a country with 1.2 Billion population this model will fail miserably.

What you are suggesting is existing on a very small level in panchayats in our villages where they decide the village needs. However it cant be replicated for the whole of India.

The federal system which we have with state govts and central govt is ideal. It may not be perfect but then there is no perfect system.

 

[Sky lord]

You use the word "commie" as if it is a slur...don't you realize that the Indian independence movement was led by the commies and socialists?

Hi, from your name "pure defecation", I think you must be a master troller?

If you are genuinely asking a question, I am happy to give you my point of view, if you just want to troll then please leave me out of it as I do not want to get into a pointless slanging match.

So, you are, of course, completely correct many ( not all) of the leaders of the Independence movement were socialists. In fact that was the prevailing wisdom of the mid 20th century.

Gandhi gave the world a new way of protest, "refuse to follow unjust laws". Thanks to him India won Independence without the kind of long term blood shed that could easily have happened in that kind of situation. Is Gandhi perfect? No, he is not, he had some pretty weird ideas about living simple lives in charming little villages - obviously this idea was a non starter. Nehru, our first PM had some excellent and modern ideas on democracy and the secular nation state, we will always be thankful to him for starting us off correctly on those particular issues, but he was a socialist who believed in the command economy and so was his daughter. Russian style socialism kept India poor for 2 generations, that is a lot of wasted lives. Nehru and indira were right about some things and wrong about others.

My point is that no one is all good or all bad, we take the good and change the bad. Martin Luther King sacrificed his life for civil rights of blacks in America, but he was also a known womanizer.

We do not worship our independence movement leaders as God, we are grateful for all they have given us and appreciate their sacrifice but they were wrong about some things - and one of the important things was our economic system.

People like Jamahir, see things in black and white. He hates Modi so will pounce unfairly on even the most harmless things like a bit of stretching exercise and blames him for every 67 year old ill in India. This is juvenile and dangerous..

Ideas are what is important not the person and even ideas have to be tweaked for the environment. American style capitalism may not be the best fit for India which is still a poor country and needs some kind of safety net. My point is not to be dogmatic about anything and to go with what works. And when something obviously does not work after trying it out for half century throw it out and try something new. The argument that communism would have worked if done differently is the most dangerous, it has not worked in any country anywhere in the world.

 

[thesolar65]

OK....We will see the results in 2019!!

 

[jamahir]

Another Utopia. It may work for a small country but for a country with 1.2 Billion population this model will fail miserably.

it is a simple concept which can be scaled infinitely, to where ever humans go, because it is a collection of decentralized systems but under a common understanding and guided by socialism.

you will notice i have mentioned "world jamahiriya"...

What you are suggesting is existing on a very small level in panchayats in our villages where they decide the village needs.

panchayat system is really anti-democracy and anti-human and should have been discarded expressly in 1947... simply put, it is a system for so-called elders ( who are reactionary ) and those who are puppets of zamindars ( in older days ) or politicians or the moneyed to impose their obsolete/reactionary/exploitative diktats on the village population and create a culture, through fear, of reactionarism and anti-humanity until perpetuity.

if "honor" killings happen in villages, it is because of panchayats... if reactionary groups like "ram sena" or pfi exist in cities, if cases like of amaanat in december 2012 happen, it is because of panchayat-heritage village culture being exported to cities and towns.

The federal system which we have with state govts and central govt is ideal.

fake democracy.

but then there is no perfect system.

i just presented the simplest and most democratic political arrangement possible.

Gandhi gave the world a new way of protest, "refuse to follow unjust laws".

what ??

 

[Sky lord]

Another Utopia. It may work for a small country but for a country with 1.2 Billion population this model will fail miserably.

What you are suggesting is existing on a very small level in panchayats in our villages where they decide the village needs. However it cant be replicated for the whole of India.

The federal system which we have with state govts and central govt is ideal. It may not be perfect but then there is no perfect system.

It has never even worked for a small country, Cambodia tried it and killed 3 million people in the process. The commies want us to keep trying for a 1000 years, they are too arrogant to accept that their prescription is wrong. A cold cannot be cured by removing your appendix.

 

[jamahir]

but he was a socialist who believed in the command economy and so was his daughter.

nehru was socialist ??

tell me... why did nehru send the indian military to participate in korea war on the nato side ( so-called uno side ) and against the socialist bloc... four million north koreans died in that war, because of usa military and whichever military helped it.

The argument that communism would have worked if done differently is the most dangerous, it has not worked in any country anywhere in the world.

you cannot be convinced.

 

[airuah]

@jamahir
so commies were at the helm in West Bengal for so many years....what have they achieved that making sure that no factories came there...what is there to show?. Only Culcutta developed because it was a British port city before

 

[Sky lord]

nehru was socialist ??

tell me... why did nehru send the indian military to participate in korea war on the nato side ( so-called uno side ) and against the socialist bloc... four million north koreans died in that war, because of usa military and whichever military helped it.

Jamahir, I am telling you this for the last time, I cannot be responsible for keeping on repeating things because you cannot understand.

Socialism is a a political and economic theory of social organization . It so NOT a military or tribal alliance. I don't know how you can be this confused man!

 

[jamahir]

Jamahir, I am telling you this for the last time, I cannot be responsible for keeping on repeating things because you cannot understand.

dear sir, i am into political activism and not a college student or jobnik... i am lot more senior than you in... in many things.

i ask you again to be respectful.

Socialism is a a political and economic theory of social organization . It so NOT a military or tribal alliance. I don't know how you can be this confused man!

that is such a contradictory statement !!

as long as entire humanity is not socialist, the socialist bloc has historically tended to defend each other, and propagate socialism through many means... for example, have you not heard of "warsaw pact" ??

and why did cuba send tens of thousands of soldiers to angola in the angola war, in support of the socialists there ??

were you a debater in school, using debater's tricks ??

@jamahir
so commies were at the helm in West Bengal for so many years....what have they achieved that making sure that no factories came there...what is there to show?. Only Culcutta developed because it was a British port city before

and why did commies succeed outside of india ??

 

[Sky lord]

dear sir, i am into political activism and not a college student or jobnik... i am lot more senior than you in... in many things.

i ask you again to be respectful.



that is such a contradictory statement !!

as long as entire humanity is not socialist, the socialist bloc has historically tended to defend each other, and propagate socialism through many means... for example, have you not heard of "warsaw pact" ??

and why did cuba send tens of thousands of soldiers to angola in the angola war, in support of the socialists there ??

were you a debater in school, using debater's tricks ??

Then please explain why China and Vietnam both socialist countries fight with each other? And please also explain world war 2 when Russia and USA were on the same side?

I see you edited in that clever little jab about " debaters tricks". What trick am I using ....maybe logic? Yes that is a good trick to have, you should try it.

 

[The Huskar]

and why did commies succeed outside of india ??

Aside from China,which major communist country can boast success??USSR broke into pieces,if I remember my history.

 

[Bobby]

Yechury is a street dog always barking

 

[jamahir]

Then please explain why China and Vietnam both socialist countries fight with each other?

good question... and i ask you to consult this current thread ( Che Guevara!!! And China ), which is a discussion between me, a chinese member and a vietnamese... i should say your answer is there.

And please also explain world war 2 when Russia and USA were on the same side?

1. there was a third big power ( the germany-japan-italy axis ) hostile to both.

2. usa government wasn't as big a imperialist as it is now ( nato was formed in 1949, after end of ww2 ) and wasn't encroaching hugely on ussr region of influence.

p.s - russia was one of the republics in ussr.

I see you edited in that clever little jab about " debaters tricks". What trick am I using ....maybe logic? Yes that is a good trick to have, you should try it.

thank you... but i am always logical and calm... a cat, in most circumstances.

 

[gau8av]

@jamahir you should get married to this one:

 

[jamahir]

Aside from China,which major communist country can boast success??USSR broke into pieces,if I remember my history.

i will present a simple and powerful argument.

ussr was technically founded in 1922 and dissolved in 1991... about 68 years... the same duration as the indian republic's existence... ussr was military superpower, a human space flight power, a technological innovator, a great influence upon human history, helper of development in other nations... and india ??

@jamahir you should get married to this one:

who is she ?? someone from aap ??