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[terranMarine]

What type of "brother" ? China changed his friends in critic situation when Vietnam is facing with US attack. China sold his friends, Soviet Union and Vietnam to US to get his own interests, begged US permit to have diplomacy ralation and join to UN. Dirty traitor.

God will punish such dirty chinese traitor.

Another stupid comment, calling China traitors and selling his friends (Soviet Union and Vietnam). Do you know anything about the Sino-Soviet split? The relations between China and the Soviet started having problems after Nikita Khrushchev made negative comments about Stalin. He criticized Stalin for mass murder and Mao Zedong wasn't happy about Khrushchev's negative opinion towards Stalinism. Both leaders have their own view of communism and which direction it should go. Soviet Union stopped all the support to China.
This is also a very important reason why China asked Vietnam not to support Soviet Union. But Vietnam refused and continued their relationship with the Soviets. So China didn't betray them you idiot. With Vietnam supporting the Soviets, Mao thought Vietnam is backstabbing China and switched side by supporting the Khmer Rouge.

Basically it was all about disagreements between Khrushchev and Mao that led to the Sino-Soviet split. If it wasn't for that, they would be still working together during the cold war era and share the same interests. China would not have asked Vietnam to choose between China and Soviet Union. So in my view it's not about traitors but about 2 biggest Communist countries having disagreements that led to the split and eventually put Vietnam on the spotlight to choose between 2 most powerful communist countries.

 

[conan008]

Another stupid comment, calling China traitors and selling his friends (Soviet Union and Vietnam). Do you know anything about the Sino-Soviet split? The relations between China and the Soviet started having problems after Nikita Khrushchev made negative comments about Stalin. He criticized Stalin for mass murder and Mao Zedong wasn't happy about Khrushchev's negative opinion towards Stalinism. Both leaders have their own view of communism and which direction it should go. Soviet Union stopped all the support to China.
This is also a very important reason why China asked Vietnam not to support Soviet Union. But Vietnam refused and continued their relationship with the Soviets. So China didn't betray them you idiot. With Vietnam supporting the Soviets, Mao thought Vietnam is backstabbing China and switched side by supporting the Khmer Rouge.

That's Politics.

 

[EastSea]

Another stupid comment, calling China traitors and selling his friends (Soviet Union and Vietnam). Do you know anything about the Sino-Soviet split? The relations between China and the Soviet started having problems after Nikita Khrushchev made negative comments about Stalin. He criticized Stalin for mass murder and Mao Zedong wasn't happy about Khrushchev's negative opinion towards Stalinism. Both leaders have their own view of communism and which direction it should go. Soviet Union stopped all the support to China.
This is also a very important reason why China asked Vietnam not to support Soviet Union. But Vietnam refused and continued their relationship with the Soviets. So China didn't betray them you idiot. With Vietnam supporting the Soviets, Mao thought Vietnam is backstabbing China and switched side by supporting the Khmer Rouge.

Basically it was all about disagreements between Khrushchev and Mao that led to the Sino-Soviet split. If it wasn't for that, they would be still working together during the cold war era and share the same interests. China would not have asked Vietnam to choose between China and Soviet Union. So in my view it's not about traitors but about 2 biggest Communist countries having disagreements that led to the split and eventually put Vietnam on the spotlight to choose between 2 most powerful communist countries.

Khrushchev critized Stalin is similar to situation in China, Mao critized Zhen Dodu, Wang Ming former general secreters of CCP. There are internal matters of each parties. Vietnam has taken a neutral position. China can't order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. In fact Stalin model for economy policy was disasters for Soviet Union, China and Vietnam when we, both, voluntarily applied with small modification. Who had right in this discussion ?

You admitted that China supported Polpot to against Vietnam in the time Vietnam tried best to get balancing with both China and Soviet Union. This is betrayal policy of China.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Khrushchev critized Stalin is similar to situation in China, Mao critized Zhen Dodu, Wang Ming former general secreters of CCP. There are internal matters of each parties. Vietnam has taken a neutral position. China can't order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. In fact Stalin model for economy policy was disasters for Soviet Union, China and Vietnam when we, both, voluntarily applied with small modification. Who had right in this discussion ?

Against the Khrushchev's policy was just an excuse to break free from USSR. In fact Mao didn't really like Stalin either.

CPC is always strongly independent, since they did not have the desire to be a permanent follower of USSR, despite USSR was formerly their communist mentor.

 

[EastSea]

That's Politics.

very poor and primitive politic under Chinese's knowledge.

 

[conan008]

very poor and primitive politic under Chinese's knowledge.

China can't order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. YES , BUT SU can order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. My little brother.
That 's the point.


AND NOW US can order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. SORRY TO SAY THAT.

 

[terranMarine]

I'm not saying Stalin's model is good for the economy right? China didn't order Vietnam, but asked. Vietnam can take neutral position, you don't hear me saying they have to pick China's side right?
Just like how you accused China betraying Vietnam and the Soviets. Mao thought Vietnam betrayed China by picking Soviets side.

It's all about politics and silly fights about who said what. Having disagreements about how Communism should be practiced.

Unlike you making insulting / false comments i take the time to read and research some real history. In this thread you have made many false claims and i proved how wrong you are.

Ofcourse i agree that Vietnam shouldn't have to pick side between China and Soviets just because of the split but that's world politics unfortunately. Same as how Bush said "if you are not with us , you are against us" when he wanted to force the world to support USA attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all about politics.

You should get the facts straight before accusing China of many things.

You admitted that China supported Polpot to against Vietnam in the time Vietnam tried best to get balancing with both China and Soviet Union. This is betrayal policy of China.

Tell me when Soviet stopped all the help to China, don't you think Mao would think the Soviets are betraying China? And do you have any proof that Vietnam was trying to have a balance between China and the Soviets?

 

[terranMarine]

Against the Khrushchev's policy was just an excuse to break free from USSR. In fact Mao didn't really like Stalin either.

CPC is always strongly independent, since they did not have the desire to be a permanent follower of USSR, despite USSR was formerly their communist mentor.

I don't know whether Mao disliked Stalin or not. After Stalin things got worse between Soviet Union and China.

 

[EastSea]

Against the Khrushchev's policy was just an excuse to break free from USSR. In fact Mao didn't really like Stalin either.

CPC is always strongly independent, since they did not have the desire to be a permanent follower of USSR, despite USSR was formerly their communist mentor.

It's true.

China can't order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. YES , BUT SU can order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. My little brother.
That 's the point.


AND NOW US can order Vietnam to do it or not to do it. SORRY TO SAY THAT.

US can't do it.
Using old enemy to against new enemy is very simple policy plot as saying in Chinese " 相計就計 "

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

CCP is the greatest betrayer in history.
China was liberated from Japan with the direct help of Soviet Red Army.
Entire military industrial base of China, especially in manufacturing aircraft, built with Soviet help.
CCP betrayed the Soviet, but it wanted Vietnam to do the same with the Soviet. When Vietnam did not do that, CCP became hostile to Vietnam...

 

[BoXilai]

It's Photoshop, .

And if they like, I can edit it for our brothers with fighter jets and bomber aircrafts in this photo, it will be awesome.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Very much unlike the Vietnamese, the Chinese never denied that many times in its history, the nation was either broken into many pieces and was completely conquered by then foreigners.

The interesting fact is every time it was broken or conquered, it reunited with even bigger territory and more population under the same Chinese culture. In fact, Chinese history is the longest un-interrupted human history with written proof!

Frankly speaking, without the broken-up of Qin dynasty, Vietnam wouldn’t be built by a Chinese called Zhao Tuo, and latter be a part of China and adopted advanced Chinese culture.

Moreover, those then conquering foreigners eventually become a part of Chinese people, and submerged themselves to the vast ocean of the Chinese tradition, culture and history.

Do you know why the Mongols named their dynasty "Yuan"?

Bet your bonyhead never bothers to study.

To you gleeful Vietnamese, there are more Mongolians living in prosperous China than in abjectly poor Mongol which makes the living by selling coals and other resources to China!

Oh it is true that very much differences between the Vietnamese and the Chinese.
While Vietnam is a small country but Vietnamese always have spiritual against foreign aggression and had defeated the giant bully, China is a giant always humiliated by the smaller countries.
And do you know that China was divided by six powers like a cake?
Do you know a giant as China was defeated by a small country as Mongolia, while Mongolia had three times tried to invade Vietnam, but all 3 times they were defeated by the Vietnamese?
Do you know China was humiliated by the Japanese?
Do you know that HongKong and Macau were colonies of the West until 1997?
Do you know that today China is still not unified?
.......

 

[EastSea]

I'm not saying Stalin's model is good for the economy right? China didn't order Vietnam, but asked. Vietnam can take neutral position, you don't hear me saying they have to pick China's side right?
Just like how you accused China betraying Vietnam and the Soviets. Mao thought Vietnam betrayed China by picking Soviets side.

It's all about politics and silly fights about who said what. Having disagreements about how Communism should be practiced.

Unlike you making insulting / false comments i take the time to read and research some real history. In this thread you have made many false claims and i proved how wrong you are.

Ofcourse i agree that Vietnam shouldn't have to pick side between China and Soviets just because of the split but that's world politics unfortunately. Same as how Bush said "if you are not with us , you are against us" when he wanted to force the world to support USA attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all about politics.

You should get the facts straight before accusing China of many things.



Tell me when Soviet stopped all the help to China, don't you think Mao would think the Soviets are betraying China? And do you have any proof that Vietnam was trying to have a balance between China and the Soviets?

If what you said about Soviet Union did to China, China did the same to against Vietnam.
Vietnam taken a neutral position until Khmer Rouge with direction of Chinese advisers continuously attacked Vietnam 1976 - 1978. 1978, General Secreter of VCP visited China to maintain relation, but chinese believed in Polpot.
China showed her betrayal policy from 1968.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't know whether Mao disliked Stalin or not. After Stalin things got worse between Soviet Union and China.

In fact he did prefer Lenin over Stalin, since he always wanted to be the Lenin of China, not the Stalin of China.

 

[NiceGuy]

Yes there are many idiots who write nonsense. That's why you and EastSea also belong to the same idiots telling nonsense. I don't agree with some things said by gpit such as that Vietnam belongs to China because that's not true. But when you write false statements like other idiots you are no better than those trolls.

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Bcz Mod never remove those nensense comments, that's why, we have to response like that, and let's stop idiot and nensense posting from now.

Hun Sen was an ex Khmer Rouge member who fled to Vietnam. After Cambodia was defeated by Vietnam Hun Sen became the prime minister. It's not a surprise that Hun Sen would say that all Cambodians thank Vietnam for saving them. It's a very bias statement. For example when USA invaded Iraq in the last war telling the world it was developing nuclear weapons, to many Iraq people USA freed them from Saddam's regime. To other Iraq people USA is the aggressor occupying their country.
Look at the end of the story on this site Cambodia: Ronnie Yimsut: The Vietnamese Invasion
"In conclusion, for many (not all) of those who have lived through and managed to survive the Khmer Rouge's regime between 1975 and 1979 certainly share my personal feeling about Vietnam's role as "liberator" of Cambodia. Understandably, for some who have not personally suffered under the Khmer Rouge's regime may think otherwise. Again, depending upon whom you ask this simple question, Vietnam can be either a "liberator" or an "invader" of Cambodia."

OK, if you feel PM Hunsen is biase, then take a look at Khmer Rouge trial supported by UN. The whole world (except China ) are against Khmer Rouge's crime.it means what VN did in Cambodia is Right, we saved Cambodian, and China support the Killer:

Former Khmer Rouge chief gets life imprisonment

The UN-backed tribunal's Supreme Court on Feb. 4 sentenced Kaing Guek Eav alias Duch, commander of Khmer Rouge Tuol Sleng prison, to life imprisonment for his crimes against the Cambodian people

The Supreme Court Chamber of the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia (ECCC) gave him the maximum sentence available under the law, quashing the 35-year sentence imposed by the Trial Chamber on July 26, 2010.

He admitted to overseeing the torture of his prisoners before sending them for execution at the "killing fields."

Judge Kong Srim, president of the Supreme Court Chamber, said that the upper court felt the penalty should be more severe because the former jailer was responsible for the brutal deaths of so many people.

"The crimes of Kaing Guek Eav were of a particularly shocking and heinous character based on the number of people who were proven to have been killed," the judge said. The tribunal says Duch oversaw the deaths of at least 12,272 victims but estimates have placed the number as high as 16,000.

Cambodian Deputy Prime Minister Sok An called the sentence a historical victory of Cambodia and finally justice was served./.
Former Khmer Rouge chief gets life imprisonment -- Vietnam+ (VietnamPlus)

When USA and the international community put the embargo on Vietnam, even the ASEAN countries supported that. It's funny that you would say that China wanted all other ASEAN countries to stay in a mess, what other mess are you talking about? Were Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia mixed in wars during the Vietnam War period?

Why was the embargo dropped? Because Sino-Russian relations began to improve and Deng Xiaoping asked Russia to stop supporting Vietnam occupying Cambodia. USA and the international community wanted Cambodia to be independent as well.

And the whole world was fooled by US-China that time, now, they realise who's right and who's wrong after the Trial

China wanted all other ASEAN countries to stay in a mess. In her view,an ASEAN solidarity will be a threat to her and she can't rob SCS(east sea) from VN-Phil-Malaysia-Brunei-Indonesia anymore, that's the reason why she attacked VN in 1979 .