Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

then a brown boy like me will ask you, why is yellow boy like you being treated like sheep in your country? a blind resident woke up and walked off and laughed at you.

Hey, the US government is probably tapping the private messages between you and your girlfriend, better watch out.

One thing which I don't like is personal comments and comparisons. If you disagree, disagree on facts.

China Stifles Uighur Muslims on Religion - Asia-Pacific - News - OnIslam.net
China bans Uighur Muslims from fasting during Ramadan | ummid.com

Don't want to embarrass anyone, but you must fight extremists as well as win common people to your side and not leave them to be exploited by extremists.

Uighurs are still Muslims, they didn't convert into anything else, so your sources have no concrete evidence at all.

Even the Uighur soldiers recruited by the PLA (an Atheist military armed force) are still allowed to retain their Islamic faith, China is truly making an exception for them.

 

[Silverblaze]

Even the Uighur soldiers recruited by the PLA (an Atheist military armed force) are still allowed to retain their Islamic faith, China is truly making the exception for them.

this is good and carry on and don't even hesitate monitoring some muslim suspects. You have to keep them away from extremist propaganda and integrate them and continue with the care you show for them.

Singapore is a good example.

 

[muse]

Was it the same case of lawlessness during 1971?

Listen, you can't just roll out tanks and crush the dissidents if they have a genuine demand. Give people freedom and make it clear that violence would not be tolerated.

This isnot a popular revolt this is terrorism

 

[Wholegrain]

We should not place blame on Turkic peoples like certain posters like iajj does, if he comes he he will splurge about dozens posts hurling abuse at them. Only Pan Turkists and Pan turanists should be attacked.

The Salars are a Turkic Muslim people living in Qinghai province in China.

During World War 2, Salars along with Dongxiang (Mongolian Muslims), Hui Muslims, Qinghai Tibetans and Han Chinese served in a division under the Muslim General Ma Biao and fought against Japan. Ma Biao served under General Ma Bufang,

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In "The Marching Wind", Leonard Francis Clark describes his expedition mountainerring in Qinghai and he met Salars in Ma Bufang's army who killed many Japanese in battle.

Salars and Hui in the Chinese srmy also fought against the Soviet backed Uyghur Ili National Army in the Ili Rebellion. The Salar General Han Youwen served against the Uyghurs, Soviets and Mongols during the war and during the Beitashan incident. He later became one of the vice charimen in Xinjiang after he defected to the CPC after the Civil War ended.

Han Youwen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[Silverblaze]

This isnot a popular revolt this is terrorism

Could be.

Mukti Bahini was a terrorist entity, but enjoyed sympathy amongst many. Why? Note: sympathy does not mean active participation.

Just as Pakistanis have sympathy for Afghan taliban even though sometimes they commit some very bad things.

Listen,

Do you want to finish the endless supply for extremists?

Finish the reason they are fighting for.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Listen,

Do you want to finish the endless supply for extremists?

Finish the reason they are fighting for.

There is no way we can accept ETIM's demands.

It's just not possible, China won't separate again without a nuclear war.

 

[muse]

Could be.

Mukti Bahini was a terrorist entity, but enjoyed sympathy amongst many. Why? Note: sympathy does not mean active participation.

Just as Pakistanis have sympathy for Afghan taliban even though sometimes they commit some very bad things.

Listen,

Do you want to finish the endless supply for extremists?

Finish the reason they are fighting for.

Yeah, we should give up and die or convert to Wahabism -- I understand that it makes a good sound bite but it does not make sense -- If the response to acts of terrorism is to give in to terrorism, then whats the point of order and law - so the Chinese, the American and the israeli should do the same to any population and then tell them if you want me to stop, you have to give me a reason to stop - good sound bite not good sense

 

[Silverblaze]

There is no way we can accept ETIM's demands.

It's just not possible, China won't separate again without a nuclear war.

Whose talking of accepting anything?

why do they want separation despite China's economic rise?

Some sympathy for these organizations is derived from some genuine grievances.

remove those grievances which the Chinese are doing and separatist tendencies would wither away. In reality, this part of China is actually getting to previous years.

Yeah, we should give up and die or convert to Wahabism -- I understand that it makes a good sound bite but it does not make sense -- If the response to acts of terrorism is to give in to terrorism, then whats the point of order and law - so the Chinese, the American and the israeli should do the same to any population and then tell them if you want me to stop, you have to give me a reason to stop - good sound bite not good sense

Oh come on man.

Why TTP is sheltered by some village people in the tribal areas? they promise justice and lawlessness and freedom from drones.

This is what happened in Swat. Take out the extremists, but do alleviate grievances.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Whose talking of accepting anything?

why do they want separation despite China's economic rise?

Some sympathy for these organizations is derived from some genuine grievances.

remove those grievances which the Chinese are doing and separatist tendencies would wither away. In reality, this part of China is actually getting to previous years.

ETIM's stated goal is to create an Islamic state called East Turkestan, carved out of Xinjiang.

If we start relaxing restrictions it won't do anything to appease such demands.

 

[Silverblaze]

ETIM's stated goal is to create an Islamic state called East Turkestan, carved out of Xinjiang.

If we start relaxing restrictions it won't do anything to appease such demands.

again, why do they demand a state?

They say that their proposed land would give all the rights to muslims and they would live according to the islamic culture and bla bla bla bla.

This movement has died down and would continue to do so if the Chinese maintain a positive influence on the common people; the silent majority.

On other hand, keep and eye on the US, may be the snowden scandal has not gone down well with them as well.

 

[soaringeagle]

It has nothing to do with religion, there are Muslims all over China and most of them are doing well, The CN government actually has a high tolerance on religious and minority groups unless national security is threaten.
Those are terrorist, every time their acts are carried out by small groups and target at innocent victims.

 

[muse]

Oh come on man.

Why TTP is sheltered by some village people in the tribal areas? they promise justice and lawlessness and freedom from drones.

This is what happened in Swat. Take out the extremists, but do alleviate grievances.

Because of tribal allegiances -- and look, I have first hand experience with knowing that they offer "justice" and that people like it till it's their turn to get some of that justice --

NO Grievance justifies terrorism

 

[Silverblaze]

NO Grievance justifies terrorism

absolutely right, but that does not mean that grievances should be dismissed as non issues.

 

[Wholegrain]

Whose talking of accepting anything?

why do they want separation despite China's economic rise?

Some sympathy for these organizations is derived from some genuine grievances.

remove those grievances which the Chinese are doing and separatist tendencies would wither away. In reality, this part of China is actually getting to previous years.

The traditional religious clerics and secular authorities amonf the Turkic people in the Tarim Basin (now known as uyghurs) voluntarily joined China. The Qarataghlik Khojas (who were sayyids) wielded religious power and they, and the mullahs, begs, Khana, and the Chagatai prince joined China againat the Dzunghars and their Aqtaghlik puppets.

As long as the traditional authorities and reliigious structure wer in place there was no separatism. The clerics did not promote separatism. There was only traditional Islam. China supported keeping the status quo and the clerics and mullahs and begs in power.

Then pan Turkic jadidists who wanted to modernize and reform Islam came in, spread pan Turkic nationalism and separatist sentiment in Xinjiang. The First East Turkestan Republic separatists were inspired by this racist ideology and promoted Turkic supremacy even against non Turkic muslims. The Hui Muslims then crushed the Uyghur rebels and destroyed the republic.

A second strand of separatism was instigated by the Soviet Union. The soviets created the Uyghur ethnicngroup in 1921 and wrote uyghur nationalist histories and promoted uyghur nationalism and separatism from China. The Uyghur leader of the Second East Turkestan Republic during the Ili Rebellion, Ehmetjan Qasim was a member of the .Soviet communist party. Hui and Salar Muslims in the Chinese army fought against the Soviet backed Uyghur army in the Ili Rebellion.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/europe...-300-muslims-during-prayer-2.html#post4399760

The Soviets supported Uyghur militant separatists especially after the sino soviet split during the cold war.

The separatists running around today, the ETIM are influenced by Al qaeda. They are allied to the TTP and you know their ideology already.

 

[kurup]

Chinese will be foolish to believe the Indians. Then eventually they will have a pleasant surprise.

And the chinese officials were dumb that they blamed pakistan based terrorist organistaion for unrest in uighur .