Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[FaujHistorian]

Isn't Pakistan already been doing that? What happened to whole issue of giving MFN status?

comparing apples to oranges again? shunt ji!

 

[shuntmaster]

comparing apples to oranges again? shunt ji!

How is it different? Didn't Pakistan ban trade and cultural exchange with India for a long time.
Weren't Indian films banned in Pakistan. Even today, isn't most of trade between India and Pakistan happen via Dubai?

 

[FaujHistorian]

How is it different? Didn't Pakistan ban trade and cultural exchange with India for a long time.
Weren't Indian films banned in Pakistan. Even today, isn't most of trade between India and Pakistan happen via Dubai?

If you were living in India, you would know there is huge trade going on between the two countries.

NRIs and NRPs sometimes get stuck in old times. times gone by long long ago.

 

[sur]

Like before Western media keeps poping fabricated news about China. Just to incite Muslim countries against China. West is very eager to hinder China whichever way possible. Rumors about ban on fasting for government officials is spread by Western or Western-manipulated channels. China has contradicted such rumors.


China ambassador denies Ramadan fasting ban in Xinjiang
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China's ambassador to Malaysia Huang Huikang on Friday denied news reports that Muslims in China's Xinjiang region have been banned from fasting during the month of Ramadan.


Foreign media on Wednesday reported that several government departments in Xinjiang have banned Muslim staff from fasting during Ramadan.

The media posted a so-called directive from the Chinese government departments prohibiting the ruling Communist Party's members, teachers and young people from fasting or participating in the religious activities during Ramadan.





It's same old propaganda of Western liars, re-spread & accepted by brain-less local papers too.



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(News from 2013 on Similar propaganda): I quote:
"Wall Street Journal's editorial says that ... State-run schools forbid the speaking of the Uygur language and public displays of Islamic practice, such as fasting during Ramadan, are prohibited in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region.

In fact, not a single school in the region forbids the speaking of the Uygur language. Not only are Uygur students free to speak their mother tongue, many Han students are taking Uygur language classes there.

And there is no such thing as a ban on public displays of Islamic practice in Xinjiang or anywhere else in the country. Freedom of religious beliefs and practices are respected and protected throughout the country."






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[Sasquatch]

Meh they can protest all they like we don't care, the OIC and the Arab League have been an absolute failure from stopping Israel in the West Bank and holding Jerusalem there isn't much for us to worry about.

 

[TaiShang]

Ramadan, Beijing style
Jul 3rd 2014 | BEIJING
The Economist

Far from Xinjiang

ON THE evening of June 29th at the Madian mosque in northern Beijing, 100 or so Muslims gathered for prayer and the communal breaking of Ramadan’s first day of ritual fasting. Among the attendees at the volunteer-run canteen were Chinese Hui Muslims, a handful of foreign Muslims, some recent converts to Islam and half a dozen Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group from China’s restive Xinjiang region.

In China Ramadan this year comes against the backdrop of increased violence perpetrated by Uighurs and a government line which more strongly than ever attributes it to radical Islam and international jihadism. In Xinjiang, authorities have reportedly taken steps, to discourage Ramadan fasting among ordinary people and ban it outright for many party members, government workers and school children.

At the Madian mosque, however, the scene was relaxed. Bitter tensions may be roiling in Xinjiang, but in the cool shade of craggy pine trees and the sweeping eaves of the central courtyard of the Qing-dynasty mosque, diversity and tolerance were on display.

Though concentrated in western China, Islam is practised across the country, with more than 23m adherents. Having spread to China along land and sea trade routes as early as the 7th century, Islam is embedded in Chinese history and society. Beijing alone has an estimated population of 250,000 Muslims, most classified by state demographers as Hui but who, apart from religious belief, are largely indistinguishable from the majority Han Chinese population.

Islam in China tends to be practised with broad flexibility. Very few of the practitioners at the Madian mosque pray five times each day although one says that he could, if he wanted, take breaks from work in order to do so. In the words of one Muslim from the Niujie (Ox Street) community in south-west Beijing, the rhythm of modern life in China means ‘there are are fewer and fewer strict observers of Ramadan”.

Amina, the manager of a Muslim restaurant in central Beijing, says she will observe Ramadan along with most of her staff, although the chef will not. “His work is too hard. He has to eat,” she says. The restaurant will stay open for Han customers throughout the month, so workers will not have time to attend prayers. At the mosque in this neighbourhood most congregants are migrant construction workers. The caretaker of the mosque knows most of them are unable to abstain from food and water throughout the scorching Beijing summer days. “The important thing is that they are believers,” he says.

Since January violent attacks by Uighurs have escalated dramatically. Though not especially sophisticated, they have been truly ruthless, such as the mass stabbing in a train station in the south-western city of Kunming on March 1st, which left 33 dead. In response the government has implemented a wide-ranging crackdown on terrorist organisations within the province—including restrictions on religious practices—and around the country.

On June 24th state television aired a documentary positing a close connections between violence in Xinjiang and jihadist organisations in neighbouring Afghanistan and Pakistan (an English language version is available here). It began with footage of the September 11th, 2001 attacks on America and continued with footage of Osama bin Laden and terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and, it claimed, Xinjiang.

The view of the Imam at the Madian mosque on this was unequivocal: “These people are not Muslims.”

No tension here

As the Madian congregation tidied up the outside dining area in preparation for the final prayers of the first day of Ramadan, Hui, Uighur and foreign Muslims worked side by side in washing dishes, folding up tables and sweeping the floor. “I know a lot of Uighurs who come to this mosque, and they are all good Muslims,” the Imam says. He does worry, however, about members of the general public misunderstanding Islam and seeing it as a violent and dangerous religion. A young Hui Muslim who works for an American technology company knows Islam is often seen negatively in the West because of its association with radicalism. Along with the Imam, he hopes that China can steer clear of that dead end.

 

[dlclong]

Sooner or later all civilized countries will implement boycot on China.

Israel is getting a lot of fuss about treatment of Palestinians, what is different about uighur situation?

Sooner or later Turkey will be chrysanthemum burst neighboring countries, Greece, Armenia, Russia, Syria, Iran， kurd . . . . . . .

Put your paws take away from China

 

[shuntmaster]

Pakistan has no comment yet on Chinese ban on fasting
Mariana Baabar


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan is staying clear of latest directives by the Chinese Communist Party which has placed restrictions on fasting in the Chinese Muslim province of Xinjiang.

“I have no confirmation that the media reports are true. I have no comments on speculative reports,” spokesperson at the Foreign Office told ‘The News’.

This is indeed a delicate and tricky issue for Islamabad which is Beijing’s closest ally. While always raising its voice in support of Muslims being suppressed around the globe, this is a major test for Pakistan whether to ignore or comment on this government ban, which it also sees as an internal matter of China.

China too, has a policy of non-interference, and sensitive issues with Pakistan are always discussed behind closed doors.

It is only lately that the local administration of Xinjiang has publicly taken issue with Pakistan for harbouring militants who travel from its Fata areas to strike inside Xinjiang.

So far the ban on fasting appears to be targeting only students and teachers, as Islam is practiced in Xinjiang, an area where tensions between the government and Muslim population have occurred from time to time.

Citing health worries, a statement on the website of the “Number 3 Grade School” in Ruoqiang County in Xinjiang, said, “No teacher can participate in religious activities, instill religious thoughts in students or coerce students into religious activities.”

The news agency reported that cities in Xinjiang had set up news portals saying that fasting was detrimental to the physical well-being of young students, and also have called in retired teachers to stand guard at mosques in order to prevent students from entering.

 

[Jlaw]

This ban is a stupid policy. Come and learn from Singapore. You guys have merely 10 million Uyghurs vs 1.3 billion Han and got so much problem.

Singapore has just 2.5 million Chinese citizen surrounded by 250 million Islamist within and without. We have religion and racial harmony.

Singapore is a western whore, sorry to say. Do not compare SG to China. You are not the big boy on the block. You are a small boy thus you have to make concessions.

 

[BoQ77]

if a Chinese earn only average 5 USD a year, China could call Monaco as small, and China as big.
But in person, a Monaco citizens earn 24 times bigger than a Chinese.

If you are in favor of a small quantity of Chinese rich. Okay, you are true.

But for individual leverage, Singapore greater than China.
China GDP only 32 times bigger than Singapore while population 270 times bigger.

 

[Jlaw]

In a Muslim state there is always respect for non-Muslims. Non-Muslims can spent their lives according to their believes. Muslim governments and policy makers always care for these things. This is the Islamic teaching. If in any Muslim country of world anything going against the Islamic teachings we all Muslims will be the first to raise voice against them. Humans are important than religion or policies, religions and policies are for the benefits of humans.

Oh really?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/christianattacks.htm

Islamic Terror Attacks on Christians(Since 9/11)

The list is like 10 pages.

if a Chinese earn only average 5 USD a year, China could call Monaco as small, and China as big.

If Vietnam ho tzi are smart they will will not be called vietnamese.

 

[BoQ77]

China don't know that cause unrest. And even attract the criticism from Muslim all over the world.

 

[William Hung]

In a Muslim state there is always respect for non-Muslims. Non-Muslims can spent their lives according to their believes. Muslim governments and policy makers always care for these things. This is the Islamic teaching. If in any Muslim country of world anything going against the Islamic teachings we all Muslims will be the first to raise voice against them. Humans are important than religion or policies, religions and policies are for the benefits of humans.

I believe you are lying. Most Muslim states don't respect non-muslim minority. Not everyone is stupid, there are many non-muslim who have lived in Muslim states and experienced discrimination first hand. There are too many LEGITIMATE reports about oppressions and persecutions in Muslim states.

The Koran itself said that any Muslim who choose to leave their religion should be punished, that Muslims are superior to non-muslim, that non-muslim should pay more tax than Muslim, non-muslim men can't marry Muslim women, etc. These are all discriminations. There are good reason why states like China, Tunisia, Ethiopia, etc want Muslims in their country to be controlled and monitored. They just simply want to protect their non-muslim citizens and social harmony as a whole.

 

[kalu_miah]

Would you suggest Pakistanis do the same to India, the next time a BJP leader starts a bad policy.

We should then shut the borders down, break off all the diplomatic ties, and ban Indian posters from PDF

You guys need to seriously consider banning Indian posters from PDF. All they are doing is wasting your valuable time while they torpedo your effort to build relationship with rest of the world. Why provide an enemy the platform to hurt your national cause? Have you ever seen an Indian forum tolerating others who go against their narrative and world view?

 

[William Hung]

China don't know the cause of unrest. And even attract the criticism from Muslim all over the world.

China know the cause of these ongoin unrest. It is rooted in the Wahabi who is funded by the Saudi royal cronies who are controlled by the CIA. The relationship between the Uyghur terrorists and these cronies and terrorists go back to the 80s and 90s when bin Laden was still alive. This conflict between china and the CIA is ongoing today and CIA now managed to recruit some small frie turk terrorist NGO.