Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[Victory]

Why China. why?

is fasting offensive? its their holiest month in islamic calender

 

[wolfschanzze]

google yourself and find out which chinese website has this kind of bans.
you can use google translation.
if you can find a single website that we ban youth or student fasting ，you win

It was news even in 2010 when i was in china,Only xinjiang region has this rules.Rest are exempt as the muslim population in mainland china is less,also they are not in government jobs, they only run Restaurants,shops or roadside meat trolleys.

First of all, tell you that China has religious freedom.
Secondly, in freedom, we have our own rules, foreigners do not find fault with us.
Also, please tell your Prime Minister, for the massacre of Muslims committed sins to repent, again meddling.

Why China. why?

is fasting offensive? its their holiest month in islamic calender

They want to get them off the habit and slowly Change them. If you know what i mean?

 

[itaskol]

China restricts Ramadan fasting in Xinjiang
Several government departments posted notices on their websites

• AFP
• Published: 13:47 July 2, 2014

Beijing: China has banned civil servants, students and teachers in its mainly Muslim Xinjiang region from taking part in Ramadan fasting, government websites said, prompting condemnation from an exile group on Wednesday.

China’s ruling Communist party is officially atheist, and for years has restricted fasting in Xinjiang, home to the mostly Muslim Uighur minority.

Xinjiang sees regular and often deadly clashes between Uighurs and state security forces, and Beijing has blamed recent deadly attacks elsewhere in China on militants seeking independence for the resource-rich region.

Rights groups blame tensions on religious and cultural restrictions placed on Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in the vast area, which abuts Central Asia.

Several government departments posted notices on their websites in recent days banning fasting during Ramadan, which began this weekend. During the holy month, the faithful fast from dawn to dusk and strive to be more pious.

The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city said on its website on Monday that “civil servants and students cannot take part in fasting and other religious activities”.

The state-run Bozhou Radio and TV university said on its website that it would “enforce the ban on party members, teachers, and young people from taking part in Ramadan activities”.

“We remind everyone that they are not permitted to observe a Ramadan fast,” it added.

A weather bureau in Qaraqash county in western Xinjiang said on its website that “in accordance with instructions from higher authorities”, it “calls on all current and retired staff not to fast during Ramadan”.

A state office which manages the Tarim River basin posted pictures of its staff wearing traditional Uighur “doppa” caps tucking into a group meal on Saturday.

“Although the meal coincided with the Muslim festival of Ramadan, the cadres who took part expressed a positive attitude and will lead the non-fasting,” it said.

China has in the past said that restrictions on fasting are meant to ensure the health of government employees.

Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress, cited local sources as saying that authorities encouraged Uighurs to eat free meals on Monday, and inspected homes to check if the fast was being observed.

“China taking these kind of coercive measures, restricting the faith of Uighurs, will create more conflict,” he said.

“We call on China to ensure religious freedom for Uighurs and stop political repression of Ramadan.”

China restricts Ramadan fasting in Xinjiang | GulfNews.com

you keep posting the same news
“The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city said on its website on Monday that “civil servants and students cannot take part in fasting and other religious activities”.” go and find this so called chinese goverment link.
if you cant you can ask a chinese reading mod to find it.

we can make a bet.
if this chinese link exist and indeed said student cannot take part in fasting. let the mod ban me.
if this chinese link doesnt exist or didnt said student cannot take part in fasting， let the mod ban you

 

[dlclong]

China restricts Ramadan fasting in Xinjiang
Several government departments posted notices on their websites

• AFP
• Published: 13:47 July 2, 2014

Beijing: China has banned civil servants, students and teachers in its mainly Muslim Xinjiang region from taking part in Ramadan fasting, government websites said, prompting condemnation from an exile group on Wednesday.

China’s ruling Communist party is officially atheist, and for years has restricted fasting in Xinjiang, home to the mostly Muslim Uighur minority.

Xinjiang sees regular and often deadly clashes between Uighurs and state security forces, and Beijing has blamed recent deadly attacks elsewhere in China on militants seeking independence for the resource-rich region.

Rights groups blame tensions on religious and cultural restrictions placed on Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in the vast area, which abuts Central Asia.

Several government departments posted notices on their websites in recent days banning fasting during Ramadan, which began this weekend. During the holy month, the faithful fast from dawn to dusk and strive to be more pious.

The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city said on its website on Monday that “civil servants and students cannot take part in fasting and other religious activities”.

The state-run Bozhou Radio and TV university said on its website that it would “enforce the ban on party members, teachers, and young people from taking part in Ramadan activities”.

“We remind everyone that they are not permitted to observe a Ramadan fast,” it added.

A weather bureau in Qaraqash county in western Xinjiang said on its website that “in accordance with instructions from higher authorities”, it “calls on all current and retired staff not to fast during Ramadan”.

A state office which manages the Tarim River basin posted pictures of its staff wearing traditional Uighur “doppa” caps tucking into a group meal on Saturday.

“Although the meal coincided with the Muslim festival of Ramadan, the cadres who took part expressed a positive attitude and will lead the non-fasting,” it said.

China has in the past said that restrictions on fasting are meant to ensure the health of government employees.

Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the exiled World Uyghur Congress, cited local sources as saying that authorities encouraged Uighurs to eat free meals on Monday, and inspected homes to check if the fast was being observed.

“China taking these kind of coercive measures, restricting the faith of Uighurs, will create more conflict,” he said.

“We call on China to ensure religious freedom for Uighurs and stop political repression of Ramadan.”

China restricts Ramadan fasting in Xinjiang | GulfNews.com


The problem is that when news agencies like AFP report something like this, it carries with it a certain degree of credibility. Since using google is no good if you don't speak Chinese, help from Chinese speaking members would be appreciated. Thanks!!

This title is obviously exaggerating,
It gives the first impression is like "China banned all Ramadan."
I saw it on the Chinese domestic uygur BBS , and there are a lot of young people, some people asked in the discussion of Ramadan,I do not know, some foreigners, from where to get wrong, or one-sided information, is always to make trouble.
Ban Ramadan? How to supervise each person?
In addition, Chinese law, not to minors under the age of 18 spread religion because minors do not have the ability to judge the independent thinking. But this law is not strictly implemented, in my hometown, many children around the age of 10 are often go to Christian, Muslim families have many children to enter the mosque. China Given this provision, the official would not be encouraged to learn in Ramadan fasting.
Communist Party of China have more stringent regulations, government officials, generally are not allowed to credit religion. But some minorities, but no how to perform.
China no matter what do, will be found "error."Even the hated Muslim Indians, can be a way to attack China, showing that this "news" value.
China has its own laws, religious freedom, and that these laws I do not think there is an error.

 

[Indus Falcon]

@itaskol @dlclong Why don't you guys look up this website and tell us what it actually says?

 

[itaskol]

@itaskol @dlclong Why don't you guys look up this website and tell us what it actually says?

I cant find anything about youth or student fasting ban in any goverment link.
and the so called The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city doesnt even exist.

 

[Aepsilons]

I cant find anything about youth or student fasting ban in any goverment link.
and the so called The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city doesnt even exist.

China Bans Ramadan Fast in Muslim Northwest - ABC News


BBC News - China bans Xinjiang officials from observing Ramadan fast


No fast for CPC members during Ramadan - Headlines, features, photo and videos from ecns.cn|china|news|chinanews|ecns|cns


China bans Ramadan fasting in Muslim northwest - Washington Times


China bans Ramadan fast in restive region | News , World | THE DAILY STAR


gulftoday.ae | China bans Ramadan fast in Xinjiang


China launches ill-advised crackdown on Ramadan - The Washington Post

The world knows all about this situation, my friend.

 

[Jlaw]

Great news. Muslims must follow our rules. Get with the program, it's 2014.

 

[Aepsilons]

Unfortunately the fact that China decides to target only Muslims , especially during one of the most holiest months in Islam, is antithetic to China's claims of tolerance towards religious practice. I have not heard such kind of travesty even towards Christians in China during Christian holy days such as Christmas, Easter, Lent, etc.

It would be better if China implements a more enlightened approach in regards to its religious minorities. Such processes would build a better / positive image for China in the world community, especially from the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

 

[surya kiran]

Just as people keep saying, when in Saudi follow Saudi rules, when in China follow Chinese rules. China is a not a 'secular' country. Its a country which follows atheist principles and they are well within their rights to define their laws. Don't want to follow or assimilate with Chinese culture, shut up and immigrate.

 

[dlclong]

@itaskol @dlclong Why don't you guys look up this website and tell us what it actually says?

schools, government agencies, and certainly not encourage fasting.
Chinese law,
The age of 18 are not allowed to preach minors
because minors do not have the ability to judge the independent thinking.
In view of this provision, the Government will encourage officials and minors fasting, I think it is in the maintenance of law.
But this law is not strictly implemented, in my hometown, many children around the age of 10 are often go to Christian, Muslim families have many children to enter the mosque. China Given this provision, the official would not be encouraged to learn in Ramadan fasting.
Communist Party of China have more stringent regulations, government officials, generally are not allowed to credit religion. But some minorities, but no how to perform.


I've checked, Turpan no so-called "The commercial affairs bureau of Turfan city", there is one, Turpan, China Merchants 吐鲁番地区招商局 which is its official website,
This is the Xinjiang government's Religious Affairs Bureau website 新疆维吾尔自治区民族事务委员会（宗教事务局）, the above information is not forbidden Ramadan
This is the formal government website.

 

[Aepsilons]

Just as people keep saying, when in Saudi follow Saudi rules, when in China follow Chinese rules. China is a not a 'secular' country. Its a country which follows atheist principles and they are well within their rights to define their laws. Don't want to follow or assimilate with Chinese culture, shut up and immigrate.

Actually, Article 36 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China guarantees Freedom of Religion:

Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.


Reference:
http://english.people.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html

 

[itaskol]

@itaskol @dlclong Why don't you guys look up this website and tell us what it actually says?

I find the original link.
地区商务局认真执行“党团员、国家公职人员和学生不能参与封斋等宗教活动规定”-吐鲁番地区商务局
this website do exist.

 

[dlclong]

Unfortunately the fact that China decides to target only Muslims , especially during one of the most holiest months in Islam, is antithetic to China's claims of tolerance towards religious practice. I have not heard such kind of travesty even towards Christians in China during Christian holy days such as Christmas, Easter, Lent, etc.

It would be better if China implements a more enlightened approach in regards to its religious minorities. Such processes would build a better / positive image for China in the world community, especially from the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world.

lol

 

[Aepsilons]

Chinese Government has a Moral and Constitutional Responsibility to protect the rights of All Chinese citizens, especially those who wish to practice their religion, by Articles 36 and 37 of the Constitution:



Article 36. Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of religious belief. No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion; nor may they discriminate against citizens who believe in, or do not believe in, any religion. The state protects normal religious activities. No one may make use of religion to engage in activities that disrupt public order, impair the health of citizens or interfere with the educational system of the state. Religious bodies and religious affairs are not subject to any foreign domination.

Article 37. The freedom of person of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable. No citizen may be arrested except with the approval or by decision of a people's procuratorate or by decision of a people's court, and arrests must be made by a public security organ. Unlawful deprivation or restriction of citizens' freedom of person by detention or other means is prohibited; and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited.


Reference: http://english.people.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html