Xi to Abe, $35 billion is peanuts

[Beidou2020]

They're questionable remarks.



investment =//= trade. China should trade with India, selling industrial goods and buying raw materials as it has been doing, but not investment.

investments, particularly long-term investments such as infras, require stable political/economical environments, mutual trust(at least non-hostile attitude), reliable legal framework and govt policies, and some basic level business ethics, - none of which India has. What investment? Both India's sovereign and corporate investment bonds are rated "junk" statue on the world stage. "Junk" means completely unreliable on not only coupons ('profit") but also initial principle investments. it would be truely idiotic for China invest any long term projects in India, let alone in turn-key sector and other sensitive infras.





Instead I would worry about those unstoppable Indian refugees knocking on China's door in their millions once "India" turns into complete chaos due to 1. economic disaster, 2. mad ideological/religious civil war, and 3. demographic disaster.







??? are you all right, mate?


for the start, there has been minimum level of so called "US and Japanese investments in India" for decades. Both US and Japan has had ultra strong motivations to invest in India instead oif China. For the US, it's more about to counter-weight China geopolitically, whereas for Japan it's more about to diversify its portfolio given "Diao-Yu Isaland" and wider national issues.

Now, where are US and Japanese investments in India?

They are close to meaningless.

This is because they all clearly know after they tried that India is actually an "investment death trap". Had India been a slightly less than that , you would have seen American, European (specially UK - India's old master, and Germany) and Japanese investment tsunami in India for ages.

What's happend? you see most of them either go to China or SE Asia instead. US and Euro "investments" in India are mostly hot money into Mumbai stock exchange making some quick bucks.

Most known big foreign commercial investors in India are having big headaches, either wanting out or being forced out before being raped by Indian legal, bureaucratic or political systems for multi-millions $ lawsuits. have you ever heard about the last outcries of big UK farma firms in India ? Nokia in India? Wall-mart in India? careerfour in India? ...

Japan wanna invest in India? Don't kidding yourself. Just look at size of Japan's interests-dued on its national debt for god's sake. Japan ís even begging for investment into itself right now and it wants to invest in India? Abe is selling hotair to Modi, taking him as a fool. If Xi blindly jumps in with much bigger hard-earned savings, then Xi would become the biggest fool of all three.


investments in India, particularly long-term infras projects = donations to India


India has no money to pay you, mind you.

Most of the time, you take your own banks to finance your entire investments, take all of your related technologies (prepare to transfer them to India meanwhile) , and your experienced workforce, to do entire projects for India for free, in the delusional hope that India would try to pay you back your initial investment in the next 10, 20, 30, or 40 years, let alone "profits". Even India's defence global tenders are more or less in the same line. Those are Indian govt commitments, image what commecial ones would be like.

Meantime, anything, a corrupted Indian official, unfair kickback fees, lack of electricity, an enviromental complain from local NGO, a guy from tax bureau, a pro-longed lawsuit for your "treatment of workers", an investgation into your "unfair" commecial practices such as "dumping" even "spying" activities, ... anything that Indians can think of in the next 10, 20, or 30 years during your investment period, will let you loss both your shirt, and your pant, guaranteed, to essentially make you do all the work for free AND at loss in the end.

You are too green and too inexperienced to know this. The entire society of India is jam-packed with crooks and cheats. Just ask anyone who has some commecial experiences with Indians in India. Some of my friends have. Forget about fantasies of making profits from Indians, just ask them about their basic business ethics

AN ABSOLUTE MUST WATCH!!!!!

 

[Speeder 2]

Jim Rogers is even strongly against India joining BRICS Bank.

He argued only months ago that China, Russia and Brazil could easily set up a functional bank, even a common currency, but with India in it? no way.

 

[Beidou2020]

Jim Rogers is even strongly against India joining BRICS Bank.

He argued only months ago that China, Russia and Brazil could easily set up a functional bank, even a common currency, but with India in it? no way.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Will Indians beg for nuclear fuel from China as well like they've been doing so for years from the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc.?

Purchasing through mutual agreements is now begging is it?

He doesn't even explain why he is so negative on India especially when it will out pace Russia and Brazil in the next decade and beyond and strange he doesn't even mention South Africa (the S in BRICS) which is easily the most failing BRICS nation.

 

[Speeder 2]

Purchasing through mutual agreements is now begging is it?


He doesn't even explain why he is so negative on India especially when it will out pace Russia and Brazil in the next decade and beyond and strange he doesn't even mention South Africa (the S in BRICS) which is easily the most failing BRICS nation.

It's because whenever putting money where one's mouth is, anyone with half a brain let alone Rogers could see India as it is, a hostile place for FDI. Russia and Brazil are geographically much biggger with much bigger natural resources to back up their actions. What India has?

South Africa, too, is way ahead of India on domestic natural resources. SA's partnership in BRICS actually reflects how influential China is, since China single-handedly took SA to the club despite doubts from all others.


On top of that SA is the only one in BRICS to have:

- a decent and functional legal system
- a truly functional and well-run captial markets
- world class private banking and financial expertise
- great industrial expertises on mining, wine-making, etc

Most of top 10% of SA's economical and social elites are British, Dutch, German and Han Chinese descedents, who have 1st-hand experiences and intellectual capabilities on how to make a country funtion well. Their insider knowledge on Africa continent makes them a very attactive partner of China. Africa and SA's domestic growth rates have been in direct sync with China's for some years now.

Russia, Brazil and SA are all China's suppliers and markets. They're on the way, if not already, to be well-integrated in the global value chain, all being members of WTO and various regional social-economical organisations with China at the centre. Their economies are growing with inflation, trade deficit and most importantly budget deficit well under control to various degrees.

China, Russia, Brazil and SA are all industrialised countries or industrialised to a large enxtent, whereas India is essentially still at feudal & agricultural dark age, thinly veiled by a non-functional (bank) voting system called "democracy" and an equally non-functional legal system.

On all these crutial accounts, India is nothing in comparison. That's what Rogers really means.

 

[possumlot]

They're questionable remarks.

investment =//= trade. China should trade with India, selling industrial goods and buying raw materials as it has been doing, but not investment.

investments, particularly long-term investments such as infras, require stable political/economical environments, mutual trust(at least non-hostile attitude), reliable legal framework and govt policies, and some basic level business ethics, - none of which India has. What investment? Both India's sovereign and corporate investment bonds are rated "junk" statue on the world stage. "Junk" means completely unreliable on not only coupons ('profit") but also initial principle investments. it would be truely idiotic for China invest any long term projects in India, let alone in turn-key sector and other sensitive infras.

Instead I would worry about those unstoppable Indian refugees knocking on China's door in their millions once "India" turns into complete chaos due to 1. economic disaster, 2. mad ideological/religious civil war, and 3. demographic disaster.

??? are you all right, mate?


for the start, there has been minimum level of so called "US and Japanese investments in India" for decades. Both US and Japan has had ultra strong motivations to invest in India instead oif China. For the US, it's more about to counter-weight China geopolitically, whereas for Japan it's more about to diversify its portfolio given "Diao-Yu Isaland" and wider national issues.

Now, where are US and Japanese investments in India?

They are close to meaningless.

This is because they all clearly know after they tried that India is actually an "investment death trap". Had India been a slightly less than that , you would have seen American, European (specially UK - India's old master, and Germany) and Japanese investment tsunami in India for ages.

What's happend? you see most of them either go to China or SE Asia instead. US and Euro "investments" in India are mostly hot money into Mumbai stock exchange making some quick bucks.

Most known big foreign commercial investors in India are having big headaches, either wanting out or being forced out before being raped by Indian legal, bureaucratic or political systems for multi-millions $ lawsuits. have you ever heard about the last outcries of big UK farma firms in India ? Nokia in India? Wall-mart in India? careerfour in India? ...

Japan wanna invest in India? Don't kidding yourself. Just look at size of Japan's interests-dued on its national debt for god's sake. Japan ís even begging for investment into itself right now and it wants to invest in India? Abe is selling hotair to Modi, taking him as a fool. If Xi blindly jumps in with much bigger hard-earned savings, then Xi would become the biggest fool of all three.

investments in India, particularly long-term infras projects = donations to India

India has no money to pay you, mind you.

Most of the time, you take your own banks to finance your entire investments, take all of your related technologies (prepare to transfer them to India meanwhile) , and your experienced workforce, to do entire projects for India for free, in the delusional hope that India would try to pay you back your initial investment in the next 10, 20, 30, or 40 years, let alone "profits". Even India's defence global tenders are more or less in the same line. Those are Indian govt commitments, imagine what commecial ones would be like.

Meantime, anything, a corrupted Indian official, unfair kickback fees, lack of electricity, an enviromental complain from local NGO, a guy from tax bureau, a pro-longed lawsuit for your "treatment of workers", an investgation into your "unfair" commecial practices such as "dumping" even "spying" activities, ... anything that Indians can think of in the next 10, 20, or 30 years during your investment period, will let you loss both your shirt, and your pant, guaranteed, to essentially make you do all the work for free AND at loss in the end.

You are too green and too inexperienced to know this. The entire society of India is jam-packed with crooks and cheats. Just ask anyone who has some commecial experiences with Indians in India. Some of my friends have. Forget about fantasies of making profits from Indians, just ask them about their basic business ethics

It's because whenever putting money where one's mouth is, anyone with half a brain let alone Rogers could see India as it is, a hostile place for FDI. Russia and Brazil are geographically much biggger with much bigger natural resources to back up their actions. What India has?

South Africa, too, is way ahead of India on domestic natural resources. SA's partnership in BRICS actually reflects how influential China is, since China single-handedly took SA to the club despite doubts from all others.


On top of that SA is the only one in BRICS to have:

- a decent and functional legal system
- a truly functional and well-run captial markets
- world class private banking and financial expertise
- great industrial expertises on mining, wine-making, etc

Most of top 10% of SA's economical and social elites are British, Dutch, German and Han Chinese descedents, who have 1st-hand experiences and intellectual capabilities on how to make a country funtion well. Their insider knowledge on Africa continent makes them a very attactive partner of China. Africa and SA's domestic growth rates have been in direct sync with China's for some years now.

Russia, Brazil and SA are all China's suppliers and markets. They're on the way, if not already, to be well-integrated in the global value chain, all being members of WTO and various regional social-economical organisations with China at the centre. Their economies are growing with inflation, trade deficit and most importantly budget deficit well under control to various degrees.

China, Russia, Brazil and SA are all industrialised countries or industrialised to a large enxtent, whereas India is essentially still at feudal & agricultural dark age, thinly veiled by a non-functional (bank) voting system called "democracy" and an equally non-functional legal system.

On all these crutial accounts, India is nothing in comparison. That's what Rogers really means.

Yet the world seems to be lining up to invest in India .............. how does that make you feel ?

 

[Beidou2020]

Hey Chinese whiners, please protest in Beijing against anti-national attitude of Xi Jinping and please overthow him.....oh wait..you CANNOT
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Tell that to the 2 million innocent Sikh protestors that were brutally murdered by the Indian military in Operation Blue Star in 1984 and the destruction of the Sikh golden temple.

It's because whenever putting money where one's mouth is, anyone with half a brain let alone Rogers could see India as it is, a hostile place for FDI. Russia and Brazil are geographically much biggger with much bigger natural resources to back up their actions. What India has?

South Africa, too, is way ahead of India on domestic natural resources. SA's partnership in BRICS actually reflects how influential China is, since China single-handedly took SA to the club despite doubts from all others.


On top of that SA is the only one in BRICS to have:

- a decent and functional legal system
- a truly functional and well-run captial markets
- world class private banking and financial expertise
- great industrial expertises on mining, wine-making, etc

Most of top 10% of SA's economical and social elites are British, Dutch, German and Han Chinese descedents, who have 1st-hand experiences and intellectual capabilities on how to make a country funtion well. Their insider knowledge on Africa continent makes them a very attactive partner of China. Africa and SA's domestic growth rates have been in direct sync with China's for some years now.

Russia, Brazil and SA are all China's suppliers and markets. They're on the way, if not already, to be well-integrated in the global value chain, all being members of WTO and various regional social-economical organisations with China at the centre. Their economies are growing with inflation, trade deficit and most importantly budget deficit well under control to various degrees.

China, Russia, Brazil and SA are all industrialised countries or industrialised to a large enxtent, whereas India is essentially still at feudal & agricultural dark age, thinly veiled by a non-functional (bank) voting system called "democracy" and an equally non-functional legal system.

On all these crutial accounts, India is nothing in comparison. That's what Rogers really means.

Don't forget India's backward caste system.

 

[possumlot]

Tell that to the 2 million innocent Sikh protestors that were brutally murdered by the Indian military in Operation Blue Star in 1984 and the destruction of the Sikh golden temple.

Don't forget India's backward caste system.

Does speeder2 know you'r a pakistani with an inferiority complex ?

 

[Kaniska]

Tell that to the 2 million innocent Sikh protestors that were brutally murdered by the Indian military in Operation Blue Star in 1984 and the destruction of the Sikh golden temple.



Don't forget India's backward caste system.

Not only that we have so mant other social challenges too....Of course we are improving and will improve...But how about Superpower China? You are so fearful about little Tibet that you occupried it by force and keep on killing the people till now..Is it a sign of super power nations? What about that Islamic state in China, where you keep on killing those Muslims who want not to be integrated with you?...

 

[Beidou2020]

Not only that we have so mant other social challenges too....Of course we are improving and will improve...But how about Superpower China? You are so fearful about little Tibet that you occupried it by force and keep on killing the people till now..Is it a sign of super power nations? What about that Islamic state in China, where you keep on killing those Muslims who want not to be integrated with you?...

Nope. China rightfully crushes terrorists.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

I'm not hopeful at all about India. I'd dump India out if I had to - Jim Rogers

 

[possumlot]

I'm not hopeful at all about India. I'd dump India out if I had to - Jim Rogers

Does that mean BRICS do not listen to Jim Rogers ? ............. so who listens to him ?

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

It's because whenever putting money where one's mouth is, anyone with half a brain let alone Rogers could see India as it is, a hostile place for FDI. Russia and Brazil are geographically much biggger with much bigger natural resources to back up their actions. What India has?

Yes, at least Russia and Brazil have natural resources, many Chinese corporations have cooperation agreement with Vale S.A., world's largest mining corporation, China has huge demand of Brazil metals and mines, and gas from Russia. But China can't get anything from India, but their suspicions.

 

[Beidou2020]

Yes, at least Russia and Brazil have natural resources, many Chinese corporations have cooperation agreement with Vale S.A., world's largest mining corporation, China has huge demand of Brazil metals and mines, and gas from Russia. But China can't get anything from India, but their suspicions.

India is utterly irrelevant in BRICS. They are like the parasite in BRICS living off the power and influence of the other BRICS members.
India offers the least among the BRICS but they want to undermine China (the most important member) in BRICS.

If India was kicked out of BRICS, nothing much would be lost.
If China is not in BRICS, then BRICS as an organisation would irrelevant.

Jim Rogers understand this, that's why he said to kick out India. They are a burden to getting anything done in BRICS than being a help.

 

[possumlot]

India is utterly irrelevant in BRICS. They are like the parasite in BRICS living off the power and influence of the other BRICS members.
India offers the least among the BRICS but they want to undermine China (the most important member) in BRICS.

If India was kicked out of BRICS, nothing much would be lost.
If China is not in BRICS, then BRICS as an organisation would irrelevant.

Jim Rogers understand this, that's why he said to kick out India. They are a burden to getting anything done in BRICS than being a help.