wow look at this F-22

[Yaseen1]

i think new jets would need much more better stealth coating as in future they are required to repeatedly leave and enter atmosphere from the space so material needs to be much more durable to avoid damage due to friction as future warfare will be mostly space based so u.s and other powers will have to move a head of f22 technology

Keep in mind, this is still tech from the 1990s. The F-35 which is newer from the F-22 is going to benefit from two decades tech and advances in the material sciences that Americans have undoubtedly made since then. And then when you factor in another decade or more of experience since the F-35 has been flying, you can only imagine what their latest Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider will incorporate as part of its stealth profile.
Rest assured, shaping, which China for eg seems to have perfected, is just one part of the package. The US is still decades ahead of everyone else.

 

[GriffinsRule]

i think new jets would need much more better stealth coating as in future they are required to repeatedly leave and enter atmosphere from the space so material needs to be much more durable to avoid damage due to friction as future warfare will be mostly space based so u.s and other powers will have to move a head of f22 technology

US has already moved ahead of F-22 technology. That is what I was trying to say.

 

[Rogue1]

Hi,

The first time is the most difficult---.



Hi,

We don't know what the US has---that is called stealth---. Only the US knows---.

Is it some mystical putty that you put on the skin of the aircraft that is $50 a container or is it $50000 a container---we don't know---.

All we know and hear is that it works---. Now would that mean that all the talk about the curves and angles & stealth design is putting us behind the red taillights of a truck---we don't know---.

Now look at this video and see the video in the first post---. Click on the first post---it will take you to the article and multiple photos of rivets on the raptor---.


In the first post---rivets are showing--- but no rivets in this video---but if your look close---you will see a layer of nice solid thick rough paint---and I say---it is all in the putty that covers the skin of the aircraft---that is the radar absorbent material.

That is the cloaking device of the F22---so much so that even it is in front of your eyes---but the electronic brain of your equipment gets confused in locking onto it---.

@Khafee @Mangus Ortus Novem @Irfan Baloch @war&peace

I think you are right about the coating/rivets. The cracked areas may have some sensors or radar behind so require a non dense, non metallic, non composite cover, so some foam like material is used.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

I see so little response on this important information---.

See---the stealth maybe basically " nothing " about the stealth design---and everything was in that thick putty that is spread over the aircraft---.

That putty is the magic bullet---that putty has all the radar absorbing material in it---.

I had been wondering---why would the radar visibility be effected by the rain or other weather related issues---. If it is " designed stealth " then the rain etc should not have any effect on the aircraft---.

But the rain and wet weather does have effect on the PUTTY that covers the skin of the aircraft---and once the coating gets effected---then there is a breach in the invincibility screen of the aircraft---.

@Khafee @messiach

Just check out the pictures I posted of F22---look at all those RIVETS & JOINTS---the thick layer of putty covers all that after it is done---just look at the picture in the video and then pictures without the putty painted over the aircraft---.

 

[gambit]

What wiser people will realize -- after seeing these pics -- is that the US flies the 'delicate' F-22 the way their own air forces does not. These pics should not be a sign for mockery, although most in this forum would express their petty jealousy and laughs at US, but it should be known that we have been and are still be willing to push ourselves to the edge that other air forces will not and cannot. The F-22 came out 21 yrs ago and no one have an equivalent since.

 

[messiach]

Khan Sahib, I am not in favour expensive RAM paints for LO. There are other low cost solutions in works eg HCSC.

Hi,

I see so little response on this important information---.

See---the stealth maybe basically " nothing " about the stealth design---and everything was in that thick putty that is spread over the aircraft---.

That putty is the magic bullet---that putty has all the radar absorbing material in it---.

I had been wondering---why would the radar visibility be effected by the rain or other weather related issues---. If it is " designed stealth " then the rain etc should not have any effect on the aircraft---.

But the rain and wet weather does have effect on the PUTTY that covers the skin of the aircraft---and once the coating gets effected---then there is a breach in the invincibility screen of the aircraft---.

@Khafee @messiach

Just check out the pictures I posted of F22---look at all those RIVETS & JOINTS---the thick layer of putty covers all that after it is done---just look at the picture in the video and then pictures without the putty painted over the aircraft---.

 

[VCheng]

What wiser people will realize -- after seeing these pics -- is that the US flies the 'delicate' F-22 the way their own air forces does not. These pics should not be a sign for mockery, although most in this forum would express their petty jealousy and laughs at US, but it should be known that we have been and are still be willing to push ourselves to the edge that other air forces will not and cannot. The F-22 came out 21 yrs ago and no one have an equivalent since.

A bucket of (magic) Meguiar's and a buffer and it'll be looking (and performing) like new again.

 

[Lincoln]

So the sexy F-22 is not sexy after all. She needs her monthly 'plastic surgery' to stay pretty.

Iran wouldn't know, they don't know how to make a 5th generation jet.

 

[gambit]

A bucket of (magic) Meguiar's and a buffer and it'll be looking (and performing) like new again.

I was thinking of going cheap -- Bondo.

 

[VCheng]

I was thinking of going cheap -- Bondo.

I thought Bondo was standard issue for the piece-o-crap called F-35. I love the fact that people here think that stealth is not much more than a bucket of slop smeared on. (But there just might be more to it than that.)

 

[SQ8]

Khan Sahib, I am not in favour expensive RAM paints for LO. There are other low cost solutions in works eg HCSC.

We have done the RAM path back in the 90s anyway. Testing it “operationally” as well and came to the conclusion you posted.

What wiser people will realize -- after seeing these pics -- is that the US flies the 'delicate' F-22 the way their own air forces does not. These pics should not be a sign for mockery, although most in this forum would express their petty jealousy and laughs at US, but it should be known that we have been and are still be willing to push ourselves to the edge that other air forces will not and cannot. The F-22 came out 21 yrs ago and no one have an equivalent since.

It also depends on the effectiveness of LO targeted. If you want to bring the RCS down to that of a drone or ultralight you do not need to always go down the RCS appliqué route. However, bringing it down to sparrow size requires such attention to detail and as with any attention to detail there is cost.

There is a reason why the F-22 doesn’t let legacy radars get a lock even within WVR, something that the naysayers wont understand but their frustrated pilots will.

 

[MastanKhan]

What wiser people will realize -- after seeing these pics -- is that the US flies the 'delicate' F-22 the way their own air forces does not. These pics should not be a sign for mockery, although most in this forum would express their petty jealousy and laughs at US, but it should be known that we have been and are still be willing to push ourselves to the edge that other air forces will not and cannot. The F-22 came out 21 yrs ago and no one have an equivalent since.

Hi,

There is no mockery from my side---. The picture shows the true american ingenuity---.

We were all stuck up about the angles and curves and bumps---and the US had fooled the world with something else---.

But then we still don't know---if it is the putty or is it the angles---.

Or is there a cloaking device on the aircraft---.

 

[Falcon29]

I don't get it, is there are a part missing?

 

[SipahSalar]

F-22's coating is very expensive and maintenance heavy. It degrades after every flight. So USAF has a policy of allowing the coating to decay to a certain extent. For F-22's that might be going into combat, its less than 10% degradation. For F-22's that are going to just perform on an airshow the requirements are more lax.

 

[sparten]

We have done the RAM path back in the 90s anyway. Testing it “operationally” as well and came to the conclusion you posted.

Us as in...you know, us?
RAM was first developed back in the....wait for it, the Second World War. The Allies and Germaniacs, both deployed it.

It also depends on the effectiveness of LO targeted. If you want to bring the RCS down to that of a drone or ultralight you do not need to always go down the RCS appliqué route. However, bringing it down to sparrow size requires such attention to detail and as with any attention to detail there is cost.

There is a reason why the F-22 doesn’t let legacy radars get a lock even within WVR, something that the naysayers wont understand but their frustrated pilots will.

You can get it down to a raindrop. Unfortunately, modern (as in 70's era) RADARs can see raindrops just fine....and doppler effect means that you are screwed anyway, no raindrop moves as 500 knots.