'World's oldest' 48-feet long Buddha statue unearthed in Haripur district

[Hamza913]

Are you trying to imply that Wahhabis too, sometimes, promote Haram (when it suits them)?

Obviously. No sect has perfect followers.

Meaning that this sect is no different from/better than the other Islamic sects?

You are creating a false equivalence between sects themselves and their followers.

 

[MultaniGuy]

What has that got to do with what I said?

Although I agree with you on many things, are you an Islamic scholar to give a scholarly opinion?
How do you know Saudi and Egyptian governments are doing Haraam by putting statues in museums?

I have to check this with Islamic scholars, since I am not knowledgeable in this subject.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I'm expecting a retraction and an apology for that you filthy dog. That title has been used to refer to great individuals like Ali (may Allah be pleased with him).



I am only echoing what the Imams say.

I encourage you to ask them for yourself, everyone should do that and realise what I'm saying is the haq.

Agreed, I will ask an Islamic scholar about this.

It would be foolish of me to give my opinion when I am not an expert.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Obviously. No sect has perfect followers.
You are creating a false equivalence between sects themselves and their followers.

No, it's not false equivalence. I am just pointing out the contradictions in your stated position, and positions held by the followers of other sects.

And obviously, no sect is perfect.

what I'm saying is the haq.

Nothing new. Followers of all sects believe that what they say/follow is The Haq.
Only Holy Qur'an is the Haq, all other sources are just flawed human interpretations of the Haq

 

[Maxpane]

just need some hype and good presentation to attract tourism

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes its just to read....I'm not going to say a word either tbh.

I'm reading it without a word of comment, too - I hope it's allowed to fall down laughing in the privacy of one's home?

 

[Hamza913]

I am just pointing out the contradictions in your stated position

What contradictions? Did I say all Salafis are perfect?

Only Holy Qur'an is the Haq, all other sources are just flawed human interpretations of the Haq

No, the sahih/hasan ahadith are also part of the haq, and it's important to rely on the consensus of the scholars of the salif as salih (as well as other later prominent ones).

 

[niaz]

What contradictions? Did I say all Salafis are perfect?



No, the sahih/hasan ahadith are also part of the haq, and it's important to rely on the consensus of the scholars of the salif as salih (as well as other later prominent ones).

Generally correct but there is one big difference. Holy Quran is the undisputed (by all major sects including Shia) word of Allah. Hadith, on the other hand, has a possibility of doubt. That is why some hadith are 'Zaif' while others are 'Mutawatir'.

However, since most Hadith collections were compiled circa 80 to 90 Hijra when even the Tabaeen were quite old; it is possible (albeit less likely) that even the Hadith with more than two asnaad could have been a 'misquote'. There is no such doubt about any verse of the Holy Quran.

 

[Hamza913]

Generally correct but there is one big difference. Holy Quran is the undisputed (by all major sects including Shia) word of Allah. Hadith, on the other hand, has a possibility of doubt. That is why some hadith are 'Zaif' while others are 'Mutawatir'.

However, since most Hadith collections were compiled circa 80 to 90 Hijra when even the Tabaeen were quite old; it is possible (albeit less likely) that even the Hadith with more than two asnaad could have been a 'misquote'. There is no such doubt about any verse of the Holy Quran.

The way of mainstream Islam is to accept ahadith that are sahih/hasan as per scholarly consensus.

 

[M. Sarmad]

What contradictions? Did I say all Salafis are perfect?

There is only one Salafi/Wahhabi government/country in the world and you have asserted that they do promote Haram sometimes, as in this case for example, and therefore, the Saudi Salafis are not proper Salafis. Who, according to you, are the true and proper Salafis then? You really think you are more Wahhabi than the successors of Abdulwahhab?

No, the sahih/hasan ahadith are also part of the haq, and it's important to rely on the consensus of the scholars of the salif as salih (as well as other later prominent ones).

It may be 'important' for you but the fact remains that Muslims have never agreed on what the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did or didn't say (other than the holy Qur'an of course), they have never unanimously agreed on the authenticity (or the lack thereof) of what was attributed to him two hundred years after his death i.e Sahih Hadith (that you are calling a 'part' of Haq).

 

[Hamza913]

Who, according to you, are the true and proper Salafis then?

Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Uthaymeen, Ibn Baz, Al Albani, Sanaullah Amritsari and the Salif as Salih are some good examples.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, Ibn Taymiyyah, Ibn Uthaymeen, Ibn Baz, Al Albani, Sanaullah Amritsari and the Salif as Salih are some good examples.

All of them are long dead.
I am talking about present times.
Saudis too claim to follow all of those you mentioned,
But you are asserting that they don't follow Abdulwahhab and Ibn e Taimiyyah properly
And that you are more Wahhabi than the successors and stalwarts of Abdulwahhab Najdi who have spent hundreds of billions of dollars to spread/promote his teachings.
Do you not see the weakness of your position/argument??

 

[Hamza913]

I am talking about present times.

Muhammad Saalih al Munajjid

Saudis too claim to follow all of those you mentioned,

Yes but they're Madkhalis, if you don't know what that means then you're in no position to comment about Salafism.

Do you not see the weakness of your position/argument??

Do you not see the idiocy of yours?

 

[M. Sarmad]

The way of mainstream Islam is to accept ahadith that are sahih/hasan as per scholarly consensus.

Sorry mate, You can't have it both ways.

Wahhabis are not mainstream, they are a small minority, but you insist that they are the true followers of the Haq.
But in your next post you argue that Sahih Hadith should be accepted simply because it's the way of mainstream Islam!

 

[Hamza913]

Wahhabis are not mainstream